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Under the Gaze of our Fathers

Jordan B. Peterson has well played the piñata recently for the Alt Right, and though I see no purpose in flailing the tattered remains of this argument, I don’t mind snatching a few of the candies that have fallen out. In particular, I would like to more closely address a favored fable of those who argue against identitarian politics, or against the identitarian worldview more generally—a fable which Peterson expresses very clearly in his fence-sitting essay “On the so-called ‘Jewish Question,’” as follows:

Once you determine to play [the identity game] … you benefit in a number of ways. You can claim responsibility for the accomplishments of your group you feel racially/ethnically akin to without actually having to accomplish anything yourself. [The abundant italics here are entirely Peterson’s.]

This notion is not, of course, limited to Peterson. It runs through a certain strain of libertarianism today, and emerges it would seem spontaneously from the viewpoint of people such as “Sargon of Akkad” and the rest of the so-called “skeptics” (who do not merit, incidentally, the dignity of the epithet they have taken upon themselves). It is a distinctly contemporary position; no one could ever have even dreamed such a view in any time but our fragmented and debased (excuse me—liberal) modern day.

Incidentally, this last observation alone is sufficient disproof of the idea: historically speaking, practically all of the great achievements of the West in terms of art, literature, politics, architecture, engineering, discovery, etc. etc., arose during historical periods in which men were accustomed to thinking in an “identitarian” way—not perhaps with respect to their race, but certainly with respect to their families, their nations, their peoples. Evidently, holding oneself to be part of a larger familial group is not so prejudicial to personal achievement as the Petersons of the world would have us believe.

Venice—a city built, as all European cities, by no one if not by identitarians. Evidently, the Venetians of old were not sufficiently versed in “psychology” to realize that their pride in their people should have prohibited them from accomplishing such grand works.

But objections can surely be found to this logic, and it is not our business to go sludging through historical disputes. Let us concentrate on the more general question, as it applies to us today. The idea submitted by these “individualists” is that anyone who takes pride in the achievements of some group to which he organically belongs (his race, his people, his nation, his family, etc.) will for that very reason tend to rest on their laurels, foregoing all personal effort. We are evidently supposed to believe, for example, that because Beethoven, Alexander, Leonardo da Vinci, Magellan, Kant, Virgil, Newton, Swift, etc., were all White Westerners, anyone who is proud of being himself a White Westerner will never see any reason to achieve anything in the fields relevant to these individuals, because he can simply piggyback on their attainments. By implication, we are supposed to believe that this same individual, if he simply up and decided to think of himself as some kind of raceless individualistic human monad, would all at once regenerate his ambition and set himself immediately to all sorts of “achieving.”

I confess, this strikes me as preposterous; and as so often happens with this kind of “psychological” argument, I am honestly tempted to wonder if the people who present it are simply exteriorizing their own psychological peculiarities. But faux psychology aside—both mine and theirs—let us address the matter straightforwardly.

Begin with an individual. Suppose this individual has accomplished something great in his lifetime—say, for instance, that Caesar has conquered the Gauls, or Michelangelo has carved the Pietà, or Shakespeare penned Romeo and Juliet. Or on a different level, suppose a man starts up a small business, or another takes a college degree, or another yet buys himself a piece of land to farm. Surely even the likes of Peterson or “Sargon” would agree that these individuals have every right to feel proud of their achievements, since these achievements are “all theirs”? Now, does that pride somehow obstruct them from future activity? Are any of these individuals somehow suddenly likely to stop up, saying, “Well, I’ve already accomplished this, I have no reason to do anything else now”? Is not the contrary entirely more probable—are they not likely, in general, to strive higher yet, on account of the height they have already attained?

But of course none of the “individualists” would ever make their “individualist” argument as regards particular human beings. Then it would seem that the question somehow morphs its aspect when a human being’s pride refers, not to his own deeds, but to those of a group to which he belongs. Yet the very same argument we have just presented applies to that case as well: for surely, all things being equal, a man is held naturally to higher, and not lower standards, who is the child of great or successful parents than that man who does not even know who his parents were?

Or how else is one to explain the Vikings, who sought ever to commit great acts, so as to be worthy of entering into Valhalla, where the spirits of their fathers resided? How else explain the will which brought men to found empires—not those individual marvels of egotism who wished to play it at emperor, but the commoner soldiers who fought and died for the glory of their people? Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome were surely two of the most identitarian cultures ever to exist; they even had a word which meant “everyone who is not us”: barbarian. Did their love of their people, their pride in their people, ever do anything but render them stronger and more ambitious? And is it not generally true that a man who feels himself to be the representative of his folk, his nation, his empire, his faith or his gods, expends a proportionately greater effort in the service of these proportionately greater things?

An older artistic expression of man against one from our own time. Which of these two is more “identitarian,” and which more “individualistic”? And which is more likely to press us to great ambitions?

But all of this is so evident as to be obvious, and in truth it has nothing to do with the real tendency of the “individualistic” premise we are discussing. In reality, as happens often enough these days, this “individualist” argument is actually not an argument at all, so much as a slur masked in a claim. Upon analysis, it quickly reduces to this idea: the identitarian worldview in our day acts as a kind of sanctuary to those idle, lazy types who do not want to do anything, giving them the justification for their inactivity. The Alt Right, for instance, is nothing but fly paper for the complacent, who willingly attach themselves to it so that they can use this sweet, sticky “pride in the past” as an excuse to cease moving altogether.

But this is patently absurd. White identitarians are no less active and productive—are in many cases quite more so—than the average “individualist.” Indeed, to look at them with an impartial gaze (something which is evidently impossible for almost every one of their critics, no matter what political point of view these last tend to favor), one even has the impression that they are much more keenly goaded to works, to acts, and to attempts, than are the better part of human beings now living. The explanation for this fact, which is mysterious to no one but the “individualists,” is not hard to find: we, unlike the man who (somehow) eschews all moral identification with all human groups, impose upon ourselves the same standards that carried our forefathers to their greatness; and these standards are far higher than those reigning in our present decadent and befuddled and essentially mediocre day.

Moreover, all those who argue the “individualistic” conception forget a fundamental premise, not surely of psychoanalytic mumbo-jumbo, but of classical human psychology: that where there can be no pride, there can be no shame. Not only are we White identitarians held to sterner standards than the general run of men today, but we are also given keen incentive to avoid the degeneracy and the squalor into which so many today plummet, and in which it is much easier to descend and wallow when one believes oneself to be a totally isolated and unprecedented phenomenon, held to no expectations other than those which one might invent for oneself.

Standing in the shadow of the past, this magnificence of our White West which rises so high behind us that now and then it even takes the place of the sun, who among us is liable to rest indolent? Does the very grandness of our inheritance not spur us to act as finely, as loftily, as nobly as possible? Would it not be our unending great shame if we, as the sons of such fathers, did not rise, or at least attempt to rise, to some fragment of the dignity and excellence which they have exemplified?

Indeed, I will go further yet: The very opposite of what these “individualists” claim is in fact nearer the truth. The atomized individualism proposed by libertarians and anti-collectivists and all their ilk is often enough a refuge for those who despise all great standards, and who would like to forget that the past in innumerable ways is mightier than the present. It affords a welcome excuse to those men who would like to reduce their horizons to such a point that they can reach out and touch them, in which midget-world they, though doing wretchedly little, can still succeed in becoming protagonists and celebrities of the day. Complacency is theirs, not ours; they rest content with the limits of their worldview only because they have exempted themselves from the obligation of all higher perspective. And this, far from being a precept of some kind of “psychologizing,” is in fact the fruit of simple observation of the world as it stands today: for most men living today in our clearly individualistic time mark their success or failure by the size of their houses, the number of cars they own, and the cost of their cellular telephones. They have no ambition greater than passing their lives in the pettiest and timidest kind of hedonism, debasing themselves day by day without even showing some degree of fire or audacity in it, such as might at least render their self-destruction the more brilliant, if not the more justifiable.

Here is the final meaning of purely individualistic success—as anyone with his eyes open can clearly see, merely by glancing around modernity.

In the end, of course, neither the “individualist” position nor the identitarian is utterly incompatible with human striving. As always in human things, much depends on the individual. But this much at least can safely be affirmed: in general, in an overall vision of human life and human societies, identitarianism is more conducive to the human heights than a disintegrated individualism, in which each human being is thrust back wholly onto his own small powers. We are inoculated against the moral disease of modernity by the shame and contempt that our forebears would feel for it, and we are pressed to greater honor and nobility by the very pride we take in the lofty places which their passage has revealed to our eyes. For in truth, past achievement, be it individual or collective, is a spur to greater future achievement, and the superb excellence of our ancestors is as a summons to our better blood. Insofar as we truly stand under the gaze of our fathers, we stand the more upright for it.

John Bruce Leonard
John Bruce Leonard, Editor-in-Chief of Arktos, studied philosophy, letters, and languages in a university curriculum based exclusively on the great books of the Western Tradition. After taking his degree in Liberal Arts he moved permanently to Italy, where he nourishes his ever-living preoccupation with the heritage and the future of Europe.

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People who have no past, have no future. If you have no sense of your people’s past greatness/glory/achievements, why even preserve your people & civilization? Love of race gives one a kind of biological, spiritual & civilizational objective. Without it, people tend to refrain from having offspring, they lose hope, they forfeit the future. Before you save a thing, you need a reason to save it. In this way, the power structure’s perpetual assault on white racial pride is an indirect attack on our very existence. What’s more, a sense of pride in one’s history, a strong sense of identity,… Read more »

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Gothic Joe

“Love of race gives one a kind of biological, spiritual & civilizational objective. Without it, people tend to refrain from having offspring”

Do you actually believe this? I have never heard any parent say or imply that the reason they had children was for “Muh race.” They did it because they love kids and having kids is a natural instinct to humans. Utopian race based fantasies have nothing to do with it. My cousin just had her third baby. Guess what? She’s in an interracial marriage.

Albino
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Albino

I love blonde hookers but I don´t want to breed with them.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

What does that have to do with anything?

Albino
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Albino

Racial love is not enough.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

Agreed. Love is about the person you are in love with as an individual.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Amen…..

Albino
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Albino

It is quite clear the attack of cucks comes this way: first you should´t feel the high culture of your nation like your own because it seems you are a loser with “folie de grandeur”, then you should´t feel folk culture of your homeland like your own because it means you are a redneck, then you should not feel the Nature of your homeland like your own because it seems you are having serious mystic hallucinations like if you were a Native American who smoked too much peyote, finally you should not feel the genetics of your countrywoman Brigitte Bardot… Read more »

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Lexi

Mr. Leonard, you are like a warm lemon-lavender salt bath at the end of a long, hard day of housework and fretting about the children. Just look at the excellent comments below. You elevate us, which brings me to a point I want to raise about women on the alt-Right. As you rightly point out, a man who feels a deep sense of continuity with his ancestors will of course feel obligated to build upon their accomplishments. What about women? First of all, women are largely spectators of history, but that does not of course mean we are without human… Read more »

Stefano
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Stefano

Mr.Leonard has become my favorite contemporary author when it comes to English.

Sean
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Sean

Stick your chest out and be an obedient worker. If you can’t compete against Mexican stoop labor, then you deserve to die. Economic efficiency is the principal criterion of morality. You should feel ashamed for any kinship you feel for your kin: it means you have no personal worth. Yeah, these ideas are so brilliant. So helpful. So pro-White. If you are the one in a million who becomes a successful tough grifter under ((( Peterson’s ))) rules (rigged against Whites, and in favor of the hegemony of jewish networking, then you will have a “principled” life as a soulless… Read more »

Lexi
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Lexi

“Stick your chest out and be an obedient worker. If you can’t compete against Mexican stoop labor, then you deserve to die.”

Yep. Social Darwinism, it is.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

I despise social Darwinism as much as the next decent person.

Albino
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Albino

LOL! Who would say the negros and the imbeciles would win the war of social darwinism?

Darwin was wrong: it is not the survival of the fittest. Nietzsche was wrong: it is not the survival of the strongest. Etcoff was wrong: it is not the survival of the prettiest. Galton was wrong: it is not the survival of the smartest.
It is the survival of the greatest breeders.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

Unfettered capitalism is cancer, but working Mexicans are not the enemy of working whites. Automation threatens us all and that shall be made clear very soon.

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

There are so many counter-examples to Jordan Peterson’s idea that ethnic identity is counter to individual achievement that it offends me that people like him get to hold PhDs. Should we just forget about the accomplishments of The Renaissance, which was defined by a rediscovery of Ancient texts and culture? Should we just overlook the great cultural and technological accomplishments of the Chinese or Japanese, who are profoundly communitarian, historical, and nationalistic? Should we just overlook the writings of men like Aristotle and Plato, who in many ways laid the bedrock for all of our traditional and modern institutions? What… Read more »

Albino
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Albino

Peterson seems to be able to rectify himself. He did it regarding MGTOW. Let´s give him the benefit of the doubt for a short while.
Einstein, Freud, Maslow, Spinoza, Weiniger, Kafka, Wittgenstein, St, Paul, Proust, etc. Yes, brilliant Jews within European or Euro American culture. I guess such a high culture would not be possible in Israel.
So… well, it seems it is perfectly OK if any person from central Greece totally feels relationship with reagetton or graffity but he feels relationship with Phidia or Euripides he is pathetic lazy loser.

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

I’m not as impressed with Peterson as others in the Altright seem to be for some reason.

I’ll give him a chance I guess but I don’t think he will ever go farther than saying “boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina”.

He’s already cucked on the JQ, and actively attacks us for pointing out his hypocrisy on the issue.

The best thing he offers us in my opinion is a honey-pot where despondent and cynical truth-seekers, who are eager to start their red-pill journey, can be found.

Pierre St. Pierre
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“technological accomplishments of the Chinese or Japanese”
I’m pretty sure all those unknown, minuscule breakthroughs are completely overshadowed by places like Silicon Valley and post-WWII US universities which were and still are filled to the brim with cultural and geographical exiles from all over the world.

Shlomo Shekelberg
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Shlomo Shekelberg

Don’t forget to pay reparations goy !

Kurt Schreiber
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Kurt Schreiber

Get a daily dose of Bach–it abstracts the perfect marriage of individualism and indentitarianism. Remove the upper and lower lines of a four-part polyphony and the remaining middle two parts are agreeable, interesting, and melodious. The whole thing working together is magnificent.

Note that Jews are particularly drawn to Bach–even obsessively despite his obvious anti-Semitism (perhaps even because of it; Bach is strongly identitarian). It reminds Jews that each person needs to contribute as best he can while harmonizing with the collective. Bach is ours and we should not leave his lessons solely to our adversaries.

Albionic+American
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Albionic+American

The philosophy of “individualism” seems to attract a lot of mediocre people, like Ayn Rand’s Kool-Aid drinkers. How does that differ from Special Snowflake-ism?

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The new podcast was released last night. The title is ‘April 23, 2018 – Macron, Comey, Syria, Enoch Powell, Starbucks.’ Here’s a direct link:
https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/14610429/arp_april_23.mp3

Albino
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Albino

There is an arena where the high culture meets the common people: the church. I mean the church as a building. Getting into a byzantine church for the Sunday liturgy or getting into an old Catholic, Anglican or Lutheran church for the Sunday mass or service are a heavy quantum of identity and art. Not only plastic art but literature (Latin mass, Koiné Greek liturgy, old Slavic liturgy, Common Book of Prayer… it wasn´t Martin Luther the creator of modern German?) And what about the music played in the churches? Haendel, Bach, Gregorian chant? ((Them)): let´s remove that old buildings,… Read more »

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Danny Reese

Great comment exemplifing how churches are just not a religious thing, but an expression of White culture. How can modern TV megachurches compare to the grace and architecture of 17th century cathedrals? Think stained glass, sculpture, etc. How can a media ready rant compare with the splendor of the Latin Mass? If you think about it, the cultural expressions of our ancient churches serve a much bigger role than simply a spiritual/religious one?

Albino
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Albino

Don´t forget about the old churches being converted into nightclubs. A negro DJ in the altar playing negro shit.
Mudsharks snorting coke in the former old wooden confession box.
God dammed!

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

Snorting coke in the confession box? I have never heard of such a thing. Is this something you witnessed or read, or are you just making stuff up?

Albino
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Albino

A part girl told me she did so in “La Capilla” in Madrid.

Albino
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Albino

*party

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

After a Full Hard Days Work of Manual Labor…..

Tired and Exhausted………

I came Here…….

Hoping for Something Easy………

It Refused…….

But, I made an Effort…….

And found a Gem……..

Thank you……..

Sean
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Anyone who has ever achieved anything impactful knows that having a strong network of friends, fans, and helpers–with the helping being reciprocal–is the sine qua non, the necessary ingredient. The implicit or explicit backing of a mighty ethnos, a proud nation, was the beating heart of the personal security, confidence, and inspiration felt by such achievers in the pursuit of their goals, no matter how much bantz and incomprehension they temporarily had to put up with from their fellows. But remove the social element, remove social pride and social goals, remove fellow-feeling, deracinate the individual genius, and his confidence drops:… Read more »

Sean
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Sean

I should add that he prizes it for Whites, but not for jews. He is cancer to OUR race.

Stefano
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Stefano

What a fine article as always , from a very fine mind . It’s always a pleasure and an honor to me having Mr.Leonard here. Can I try and play devil’s advocate in regards to PALEO – libertarianism ( and the paleo brand ONLY)for 2 or 3 seconds here ? Rothbard always understood the need for a certain white civilization defense and a certain ,relative right to discriminate and identify by social ,cultural and racial groups. If one reads ” The right wing populist strategy ” , Rothbard’s critique of the fallacy of the modern , “generic ” libertarian with… Read more »

J B
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J B

Some good points in this post. It would be good if more like-minded individuals read a work such as The Genius Of the West by Louis Rougier just to get a decent overview of the subject, as well as ammunition against the globalist cult.

Pierre St. Pierre
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Pierre St. Pierre

“How else explain the will which brought men to found empires—not those individual marvels of egotism who wished to play it at emperor” Considering that aforementioned Roman Empire was created by exiles and bandits, not brave warriors, I’m sure the will is quite well grounded in material needs. “but the commoner soldiers who fought and died for the glory of their people” This is the absolute peak of the biased historical observer’s delusion this article seems to be based around. “Commoner soldier” is a barely literate/illiterate savage who chose an army contract to laborious ventures like farming that are either… Read more »

Albino
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Albino

I would´t call Jordan Peterson a cuck because he seems to be doing a big effort to understand the AltRight via struggling with it. Hopefully he will join the movement soon. He has to understand that high culture heritage and the folk culture heritage are parts of the DNA of people, as much as blood and soil. Nature, also, is part also of the DNA of people. Then, it is normal when Bertrand Russell said this: “When the time of my death arrives I will feel I have no lived in vain: I heard the Atlantic Ocean crushing against the… Read more »

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

“Jordan B. Peterson has well played the piñata recently for the Alt Right,”

Mr. Peterson has at least a thousand times more followers and influence than any Alt-Right figure. I know this movement is filled with the most epic of delusions, but surely you know this. 😉

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

McDonalds is also extremely popular. Doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

Albino
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Albino

Thanks God they removed that McDonald´s from Piazza della Rotonda.

Albino
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Albino

This is not a contest of popularity.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

“Not only are we White identitarians held to sterner standards than the general run of men today, but we are also given keen incentive to avoid the degeneracy and the squalor into which so many today plummet” Is it possible that this man Leonard has not heard of Andrew Anglin, Weev, Mike Enoch, or any of the other degenerates at DS or TRS? I don’t think so. Is it also possible he has not heard of a degenerate named Matthew Heimbach or his abused sidekick Matt Parrott? Being an European, I suppose Leonard may be completely unaware of any members… Read more »

Spraguer
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Spraguer

1) Weev & Anglin are insane. They’re also not Alt-Righters. They’re full-blown Neo-Nazis, who are notorious for their mental issues. Neo-Nazis, like Alt-liters, are only Alt-Righters in the most attenuated sense. Strictly speaking, they are not Alt-Righters. However, the evidence of Weev’s degeneracy is rather limited. What, Auernheimer has experimented with psychotropics? Pretty marginal stuff. Indeed, the evidence of Anglin’s degeneracy is rather limited as well, wacko as he is. 2) Enoch? What did he do, marry a Jewish girl? Is that “degeneracy”? Meh. To the extent it is, it’s a very mild form of it. 3) Heimbach is simply… Read more »

Johnny Futurismo
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1) Weev and Anglin are the Alt-Rights problem. Hard Right, Siege Right, Bowl Gang purged them for being degenerate faggots and fake ass irony nazis. Weevs also a Jew. This is a fact and is not debatable. 2) Enoch acts like a cartoon Nazi (heil gate was him) while being married to a Jewess, only to turn around and disavow real national socialists. Not only is he a dishonest sack of shit, lets be honest now, he’s also probably a Jew. 3) Heimbach is a good guy, who made some awful choices. I don’t think anybody considers him their cult… Read more »

Spraguer
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Spraguer

1) I disagree that Neo-Nazis are Alt-Right, strictly speaking. Just as I disagree that Alt-Liters are Alt-Right. Both are fringe, fringe elements & are only Alt-Right if you define Alt-Right very broadly. Anyhow, they are not mainstream. 2) Pro-rape? Meh. They’re just insane. Especially Anglin. LOL. 3) Heimbach is a megalomaniac. Always has been. *Maybe* Alt-Right, but basically a cult-leader. 4) Gothic Joe wouldn’t know the truth if it could be found in his boyfriend’s anus. 5) The Alt-Right base is not declining in numbers. No one is really leaving and the brand is not toxic just because a few… Read more »

billy
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billy

everything but heimbach bashing was pretty spot on. was not cult like in any way, they just had their own spot and their own particular ways. seemed like hardworking dude till the omg wtf moment.
still seems weird and people were already suspicious of parrot. mighta been a pls fuck my wife on the sly we want another baby turning into him recording and telling heim’s wife when they agreed not to so she would turn on him too
*tin foil hat removed*

Johnny Futurismo
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Johnny Futurismo

1) I never said that neo-“nazis” (Jew slur) were Alt-Right. The AR used to like to flirt with Fascism a lot, but hide behind layers of irony to maintain plausible deniability. But many of therank and file got to reading Mein Kampf, This Time the World, The Turner Diaries and Siege and became National Socialists. After this they had little use for the AR anymore as Hitler dismantled the entire premise of a big tent movement in Vol II Chap. 8 of Mein Kampf 93 years ago. 2) I don’t disagree. Anglin and Weev both have mental problems. Personally I… Read more »

Spraguer
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Spraguer

1) The Alt-Right did not implode. Very few people who agreed with us before, don’t now. We are still a growing movement. 2) The intensity of the persecution has increased. Thus our public presence is somewhat muted. People are being practical, looking out for their lives & livelihoods. However, as stated, we are still converting far more than are defecting. 3) When the next election comes around, you’ll see, the Alt-Rightosphere will be buzzing again, & the media will be crying again about the return of the 3rd Reich. 4) I didn’t say anything about purging fringe elements to avoid… Read more »

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

That is because you and I have a very different definition for degeneracy. Anglin and Weev have both declared themselves “pro-rape” on countless occasions. Anglin says 13 year old girls are hot. DS chat rooms are filled with violent pornographic images, often combined with gore and involving children. This is not mild degeneracy.

And no, Enoch is not a degenerate for marrying a Jewish woman. But he is a liar and a hypocrite.

WR42
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WR42

To be precise, Weev and Anglin are full blown internet Nazis. An actual Nazi advocates for national socialism. An internet Nazi writes snarky articles on the internet blaming everything on Jews. It is appropriate to recognize that Jews have highly disproportionate power and influence, and often use their power to promote policies that are against white interests. It is another to insist that every last Jew is our enemy, or to let off the hook the many non-Jewish whites who promote the same policies, as if white people had no agency. I’m not much interested in what fraction of Weev’s… Read more »

Totaler+Brah
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Totaler+Brah

In a sense, Peterson is right. We should be critical of the kind of vulgar Identitarianism he has described.

Gothic Joe
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Gothic Joe

The Vikings were big practitioners of miscegenation. Imagine being a fan of them and not knowing that. 😀 😀

Albino
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Albino

The Vikings didn´t rape black women. Only European women. Mostly Anglo-Saxon and Celtic.