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Destructive Of These Ends

The people who rule over us don’t care what we think, they don’t care what we do, they don’t care how we vote, they don’t care, at all really.

They do whatever they want, which is basically what their oligarch masters tell them to do. There was a study published a few years back by two professors, one out of Princeton and the other out of Northwestern, showing that public opinion had almost no measurable impact on public policy, that only the opinions of powerful elites mattered, that America was not really a democracy at all, but an oligarchy. Can anybody really deny that at this point?

We put Trump in office. We elected a renegade candidate. We achieved what many thought impossible. The entire establishment opposed him, the corporate overclass opposed him, the lying press opposed him, but we elected him anyway. And yet fascinatingly, incredibly, public policy hasn’t really budged even a tick with him in office. What do we actually have to show for it? I mean, is there anything, anything at all? A Muslim ban that isn’t even close to an actual Muslim ban? A budget-busting mega-bill that pays for walls in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and Tunisia, but allocates not one cent for a wall along our own southern border? How many millions in aid dollars to China, a nation with a booming economy and a GDP that surpassed ours a year or two ago? A massive tax giveaway to the rich, written by banksters and oligarchs? John Bolton and the resurrection of the Bush regime? Nothing meaningful has changed. Nothing meaningful at all. It’s sheer black pill.

The level of detachment, of complete insulation and disregard for the will of the people in Washington, is astounding. The imperial government in Washington is a juggernaut, its course seemingly unalterable. We peons are just along for the ride, looking out the window in horror at the hellscape our overlords are driving us into. The Founding Fathers would have been shooting at these psychopathic Cultural Marxist sons of bitches on Capitol Hill decades ago. The British Crown gave Americans better representation.

This is is a government in dereliction of nearly all its core duties. It won’t secure the border, it doesn’t even enforce the law against its ideological allies anymore, and does anybody actually think the surveillance state was erected to keep us safe at this point? The U.S. Government, at virtually all levels, is more interested in punishing dissent than wrongdoing. It doesn’t govern, it controls. It exists to perpetuate itself. That is the only reason this government exists. And if it didn’t exist, America would break up into a thousand pieces, because we are no longer a people with natural bonds. We’re just a bunch of disparate peoples jammed together by naked government force.

I wonder sometimes if there is something inherently wrong with democracy, if it is just prone to co-optation by moneyed interests, if it invariably devolves into a kind of race to the bottom in every respect, killing civic virtue and self-reliance along the way. Pat Buchanan has been devoting his recent columns to analyzing the inherent flaws of democracy, wondering aloud if Western democracies are perhaps destined to fall. I don’t have any firm position on the subject, for what it is worth. What I do know about democracy is that it works much better, indeed it really only works, on the more local level, or at least on a smaller scale, in contexts where one’s voice can really make a difference. It works best in its original form, as a direct, personal and truly participatory democracy, as the Greeks practiced it. Nations as large and diverse as ours simply shouldn’t be democracies, and probably can’t be functioning, representative democracies, if they can be functioning states at all.

The degrees of separation between the common man and the halls of Congress are nearly infinite. Our leaders don’t care to know what we think or what we want, but even if they did care to, I’m not so sure they could know. There are so many globalist parasites, foreign lobbyist groups, domestic lobbyist groups, special interests, military contractors, Deep State entities, civil rights activists (white haters), and swamp creatures of every morphology whispering lunacy into their ears, standing between us and them, that I’m not sure there is any hope for us ordinary folk to reach our supposed moral and intellectual betters. And make no mistake about it, that is precisely how they view our relationship, as one between masters and slaves.

In fact, it was precisely this kind of relationship that Jefferson was referring to when he wrote that now famous phrase, “all men are created equal”. He didn’t mean all men were actually equal in talent or worth or intellect, that’s absurd. He meant that no race, no people, no tribe, on account of their supposed superiority, gets to rule over another without their consent. That is what he meant. He was saying, “you are not our masters and you don’t get to decide our fate for us, you arrogant English prigs”. He was not saying, “blacks are just as smart as whites”.

The problem is, if a people want to thrive, to prosper, to persist as a people, they need representation, they need a government of their own to serve them. That is what renders governments legitimate. We don’t have that as Americans any longer and we sure as hell don’t have that as white Americans. That should be obvious to all sensible people at this point. A government this insulated, this unswayed by popular will and popular elections, has no claim whatsoever to legitimacy. And this is to say nothing of the fact that Western governments are literally waging a war against their own white racial majorities, all in the name of diversity. So, not only are our governments trying to ruin us and liquidate us, we essentially have no legal means to alter their course at the present! It is not a pretty predicament we find ourselves in as Americans.

This is why the white ethnostate is no pipe-dream. This is why the white ethnostate is so vital, as a vision, as a goal. Americans are past the point of fed up, as they should be. The unconscionable but now conventional (mis)behavior of the parasites in Washington is a daily red pill for most Americans. Americans are ready to disgorge this criminal, corrupt government, which makes the 15th Century Vatican look scrupulous by comparison. They just need a spark and some guidance, and though I don’t know what it will take to get there, get there we shall, by whatever means necessary.

We can do better than this for ourselves, my white brothers and sisters. Much better. We do not need to accept our current vassalized and debased state. We do not need to accept living under the yoke of Cultural Marxist psychopaths who hate us, who hate our history, who have absolutely no regard for our interests or our existence. Our fate is in our hands. We decide it, not the tyrannical left-wing lunatics in Washington (those left-wing lunatics with both D’s and R’s next to their names) who always think they know better than us, but never really do. The American experiment has surely failed, but the white race shall not. We shall triumph. We shall secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Hail victory!

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VickyJoy
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We must do what our Founding Fathers would be doing.

North African
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Sucking Jewish cock , importing niggers and killing Anglos ?

VickyJoy
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Be eternally cursed, filth. And be gone from our lands.

North African
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You have no culture and will soon go extinct. By the way the worry I’m impregnating as many whites wombs as possible with my superior seed ! 👌🏻😂

North African
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Don’t worry*

John Engelman
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Donald Trump has improved on the Reagan playbook of appealing to legitimate concerns of whites who are not rich in order to get the political power to make the rich richer. I vote Democrat, but I cannot recommend the Democrat Party to a white blue collar worker who shares my concern about black crime, illegal immigration, and affirmative action. Since the Republican Party was formed in 1854 it has been dominated by rich businessmen. Since the War in Vietnam the Democrat Party has come to be dominated by well educated, well paid bi-coastal professionals. The Democrat Party I really like… Read more »
Spraguer
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1) Democrat Party is dominated by rich businessmen too. Indeed, virtually all rich businessmen in America are Cultural Marxists. The vast majority of them are Dems. There is a tiny sliver of the Cultural Marxist oligarchy dedicated to zany, free market fetishists, but on all the major social, racial & moral issues they are left-wingers as well. Of course, when it comes to parting with their own money & power, those elite leftists are funny. Communists were the same way. All Marxist systems devolve into kleptocratic oligarchies of sorts, just particularly brutal ones. 2) I also have a pretty positive… Read more »
KentChris
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Outstanding article with great talking points. For the purpose of debate and the only aspect of the AltRight I have not embraced is the Ethnostate. In my opinion this is not the solution, certainly not as White Americans. We cannot on one hand throw stones at “big government”, in favor of “EVEN BIGGER GOVERNMENT” just for the sake of segregating ourselves. Please do not question my pride of being, and goals of protecting my White European heritage, that is number 1. The world has become too small, too interconnected, due to technology and social media for an Ethnostate to be… Read more »
North African
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Nah fools. Can’t go back now that you’re only 8% of the world and biggest consumers of contraceptive methods.
The game was lost in 1920.

Spraguer
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1) If we remain under the tyranny of this government, we are likely to be replaced.
2) There are monoethnic nations all around the world. Most all of Eastern Europe & East Asia is comprised of essentially monoethnic nations.
If Israel can survive, so can we. We can found a monoethnic nation that defines citizenship ethnically/racially.
3) There are too many laws & systemic controls preventing us from really asserting ourselves as a dominant racial group. They are all in place specifically to dispossess us & harm us.
We need our own state.

Nova Morium
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All Good Points…….. The Ethnostate is a Vision……… An Ideal……. An Archetype…….. There is NOTHING Wrong with a Nation of just White People………. NOTHING at all………. And that’s the Point……… Which many in the AltRight still don’t Understand……….. It’s Competely Normal for White People to Live around Other White People in a White Only Nation………. We as Western Whites have been Brainwashed into thinking this is Regressive, Racist, and Backwards…….. The AltRight Narrative of the Ethnostate in the Present is to Erode the Anti-White Mainstream Narrative that has Brainwashed the Vast Majority of White People……. Even People in the AltRight… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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Excellent article, Mr. Spraguer. You are thinking in precisely the right direction, in my opinion—the direction indicated by a sober analysis of the situation, which you have superbly outlined. The natural question, which you touch on, is what kind of government we should be aiming for, given the astounding failure of the “order” under which we presently live. I hold that our aim should not be democracy: although I agree with you that democracy works best on the local level, and that it has some role to play there, democracy should exist only beneath the tutelage and rule of a… Read more »
Spraguer
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I’m quite fond of democracy, especially direct democracy. I think democracy needs restrictions/limits placed upon it, however. I think this was likely the problem with the Greek/Athenian versions, namely that they were an early & crude form of democracy & there were insufficient limits on how far democratic will extended (rights it could infringe upon, etc.). But that’s what constitutions are for, separation of powers, etc. Furthermore, I mean, if not democracy, then what? Lot of shitty options, if you ask me. But yes, we could certainly debate various “mixed” forms of government. That said, I continue to believe that… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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I surely see your point, Mr. Spraguer—and yet dispute it. To my view, democracy fits in intimately to a great many of the problems you list. To name but a few: Speech restrictions — Speech which clearly, persuasively, and deeply challenges the underpinnings of democracy, is naturally opposed by the democratic regime sooner or later. Democracy indeed restricts speech as much as any regime—only much more insidiously, as it covers these restrictions with the rhetoric, not of the censor (who admits to silencing speech in protection of order or morality), but of the demagogue (who claims he is in fact… Read more »
Spraguer
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1) Free speech can be protected through a constitution & extreme rules for amending it. The US arguably has the most protective regime for free speech in the entire world. Virtually every threat to & limitation on free speech in America is not via the democratic process but via market actors & the press!!! 2) “Sure” as to complexity issue. Which is why when it comes to certain types of legislation you need a legislature. But on the big issues, which only require simple answers like “should we devote money to a wall” or “should we bail out Goldman Sachs”… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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Some excellent points, Mr. Spraguer. Permit me to clarify a few of my positions. When I speak of a regime, I am not speaking of a government; I am speaking of something similar to what we call a “culture,” though the regime includes the forms of government as well. I do not mean to say that American law, or democratic law as such, necessarily censors speech—though it does. But I agree that the primary danger to freedom (including freedom of speech) in democracy is organic. The press and the oligarchs may well be the greatest threat: my point is that… Read more »
Spraguer
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1) I am a strong supporter of direct democracy & participatory democracy *on a smaller scale* (think city-states, corporations, cantons, states, etc.). On a larger scale, certainly in a nation as large & diverse as ours, I’m open to interesting & novel ideas as to governance. 2) All governments stray from their constitutions & the proper boundaries of their power over time. All of them. Not at all unique to democracies. Why it is often up to the people to place them back within their proper bounds by violence/force. Only very rarely does this occur by some means other than… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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Once again, some excellent points, Mr. Spraguer. I address them as you have laid them out: 1.) It is possible we agree more than might seem: to say it again, I concur that democracy in a restricted form and on a local level is both just and desirable—but only so long as it is governed, regulated, and limited by a non-democratic form of government above. 2.) If this is as you say, then what is the special value of a constitution? 3.) All regimes are subject to moneyed interests—this is true—but some much more than others. For definite and identifiable… Read more »
Spraguer
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1) I’m not convinced it’s possible for anyone to be proved wrong on subjects such as these. 2) An aristocracy, but how? I mean who decides who is “the best”? Capitalists also support an “aristocracy”, but their version of “the best” is the richest (oligarchy), the religious have their version of the best, the most pious (theocracy, usually run by the biggest pedophiles), etc. etc. etc. I prefer other restraints on democracy, usually bottom-up restraints. For example, referendums & constitutions, especially those that create a peaceable means for separation/secession for states & regions. I see that as a huge flaw… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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Once again, I address your points as you lay them forth: 1) Perhaps you are right; I am in no position to make claims as to the potential limits of our knowledge. But even so, one or the other of us might be swayed, and both of us might improve our understanding, thanks to our dispute. That seems quite sufficient to me. 2) You have stated the common argument against aristocracy: “Who decides who is best?” But this is a democratic protest against aristocracy—meaning, it is an argument which presupposes a non-aristocratic system. It is a great problem in /our/… Read more »
Spraguer
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2: Well, most rules/systems of decision like this involve human input & thus are sort of semi-democratic. But I wasn’t exactly meaning to appeal to democracy qua democracy. I was simply probing to better understand the nature of this “aristocracy” & the mechanisms for determining/selecting leaders. My point anyhow, is that there is no “hereditary aristocracy” in existence today. Such aristocracies historically developed over centuries & were typically a function of wealth, land ownership, etc. which formed the basis of political power. Indeed, don’t we sort of already have that in America in a limited sense? Not sure it’s working… Read more »
John Bruce Leonard
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2. I would dispute that the heredity aristocracies of old were built principally on wealth. They were generally, in their origin of origins, formed by the rise of a warrior class; they were then developed and refined over many centuries, until this priceless heritage was squandered by the Enlightnement. The present system, which one might call “aristocracy” only in the same loose way that one might refer to England as a “monarchy,” has indeed been built on a selection process through wealth acquisition, which very well may be the worst “meritocracy” imaginable. But this travesty has been made possible only… Read more »
Spraguer
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1) Yeah, different aristocracies developed in different ways. Some certainly had their origins in elite warrior classes. But you still haven’t clearly articulated what this aristocracy would look like, what process of selection would be instituted for electing/forming/instituting this aristocracy & how we would get there from here. 2) I love argument B regarding technology & the pursuit of control over information in democracies, & while I don’t think those bad trends & incentives are specific to democracies, there is no question that democracy makes the problem more acute, because democracies at least ostensibly require input and consent from the… Read more »
Spraguer
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Btw, I screwed up one part. The declaration of war alone, not conducting it, just declaring it, could be vetoed by any one consul.

Nova Morium
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If you Write, Excellently……..

But, have No Idea of how to Use Tools to Fix your House, Car, or Machinery……..

And when you Walk out your Front Door………

Alpha Males chuckle under their breath at your Soylent Physique……….

There is NO Excellency in that……….

None at all……

You are an Excellent Writer……….

I’m not so sure about the Other Part……….

Spraguer
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1) I’m 225 of solid muscle. I lift 5 days a week. Heavy.
2) I’m quite good with tools. I’m actually very handy. I have a pretty strong intuitive & functional intellect, plus great spatial relations.
3) You are correct though that I am less adept when it comes to certain complex machines like cars. Mostly due to lack of work/experience with them.

Nova Morium
Guest

You are the Ideal AltRight Male…….

Highly Intelligent, Physically Robust, and Socially Intelligent…….

A Gift to the AltRight…….

Which is why you have Plenty of Followers…….

John Bruce Leonard
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I am not sure if this was addressed to me or Mr. Spraguer. For my part, I rather agree with you, Nova Morium. Indeed, I live in a house I built with my own hands from ground to roof; nor is it the first. I cultivate and care for a hectaire of olive trees, and I do so without the use of electrical tools. My strength—which I would not know how to measure by any other utilitarian standard—is sufficient to these labors. As for what Alpha Males may or may not think of me when I step out of my… Read more »
Nova Morium
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Thank you for Sharing that…….

You’ve gained a LOT of Respect here for that Simple Post…….

John Bruce Leonard
Editor

It was but my response to your eminently just question, Nova Morium. Not every one among us can have the physique of a Hercules, just as not every one among us can have the wit of an Odysseus: but we all of us can, and should, strive to improve ourselves in both of these domains. Our ideal should be as the ancient ideal: Mens sana in corpore sano, a healthy mind in a healthy body.

You are a hundred times right to press us in that direction, Nova Morium, and I salute you for it.

The Grady Bunch
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I found a picture of Nova Moronium:
http://image.ibb.co/bNY4Pn/Nova_Moronium.jpg

North African
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I can confirm its her.

Nova Morium
Guest

Agreed…….

It’s Joan of Arc Reincarnated……..

GodAMMMnnnnn!!………

Nova Morium
Guest

Thank you for Submitting…….

Keep On……..

You have Unleashed a Wave of White Men willing to Follow you to the Graves of their White Ancestors……

I can’t Believe you’ve Finally achieved This….

It’s Amazing…….

I Stand Humbled in your Presence……….

Ha!!

The Grady Bunch
Guest

Your welcome…….

I knew you’d eventually see the light……..

Godspeed……..

Nova Morium
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‘you’re’……..

Start with Basics, First…….

North African
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You are *

Peasant.

UkraineTrump
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I don’t know what happened to altright.com’s Russia correspondent “Vincent Law.” His articles haven’t appeared since the redesign. “Emmanuel Spraguer” strikes a similar tone and style in his writing though. (I thought Spencer said he was going to do away with pseudonyms.) Anyhow, this is an excellent text that strikes at the heart of our miserable, nightmarish situation. Ethnostates are possible in three regions: Appalachia (West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee), Prairie Belt (Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma), and Mountain West (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah). We should already begin settling these states.

The Grady Bunch
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I miss Vince. He was great on the podcasts, too. It was interesting to hear the perspective of someone who actually lived in Russia. The only thing that made me dislike him was when he wrote that article about whites should all get on government handouts….but I’ve forgiven him. Come back, Vince.

North African
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It’s to avoid being labeled as Russian collaborators. You know due to the Alternative Right endorsing Trump and the media always talking about muh collusion.

The system wants to replace you. Using the social security system you built so what’s wrong about using it ? If you down take a handout then Ali and Tyron will take it and get 10 kids each. Starve the system by not paying taxes and by taking welfare.
Better poor and free in a homogenous society than rich and alienated in a multicultural hell.

North African
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Don’t *

The Grady Bunch
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That’s a good point about the Russia collusion thing, I had not considered that. But I think you’re wrong about welfare. If our people have no money then we have no real political power. And what kind of a disaster of a white woman is going to marry some schmo who lives in a section 8 hellhole and is living off the gub’mint? I dont want to even think about want to visualize what kind of woman would settle for that lowly existence.

North African
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Your people have no political representation already. You taxes pay for bubakar’s kids.
Why care about women ?
Living off the grid and being a free self sustaining man is honorable I would prefer a woman who can see that over a prostitute who wants money in the big multicultural city.

Nova Morium
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Check out Roy Batty DS…..

I’m just wondering where you grew up…….

Urban or Suburban……..

Because you’re a Fag 100%……..

The Grady Bunch
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Here is a picture of you, Gaylord:
http://image.ibb.co/bNY4Pn/Nova_Moronium.jpg

Nova Morium
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Disqus doesn’t seem to be responding right now…..

Reload or try again later, Fag……

Ha!!

Albionic+American
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Sorry, Oklahoma is being lost to the Mexicans, especially in Tulsa:

Hispanic students now largest racial group in Tulsa Public Schools
Percentages of black, white students continue to decline

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/education/hispanic-students-now-largest-racial-group-in-tulsa-public-schools/article_007239a5-1e90-5218-a1d9-7be67e8e7dac.html

Panadechi
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Expelling the non-whites will be almost impossible under current conditions. First, an exclusive white territory must be created and inhabited in an isolated place. This territory must be out of the influence of non-white globalists and lobbies. By building a 100% White nation this would serve as a spearhead to save the white race and stop the Kalergi Plan (genocide of the white race)..

tina
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Isn’t “democracy” the whole problem? It is like letting the kindergarteners run the class instead of the teacher. In the natural world group structures are hierarchical. Wolves live in packs with leaders. Democracy is probably not the ideal form of government.

Barnabas Wagner
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Lol. No it is not.

UkraineTrump
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The Founding Fathers set up American democracy without the faintest notion that the current nightmare of the present-day U.S. was in the cards. If they were alive today, they would be the biggest enemies of democracy.

John Bruce Leonard
Editor

They already were enemies of democracy. Whenever did they speak of it, save in warning and censure? They wanted a republic, which is a mixed form of government.

Naturally, the question as to whether a republic does not necessary degenerate sooner or later into a democracy is another.

Spraguer
Guest

Honestly, they would definitely be in favor of dissolving the government.
Don’t think they would be enemies of democracy, however.
Indeed, what we have now could hardly be described as “democracy”.
The Federal Government needs to be stripped of all power.
I think we should start there.

The Grady Bunch
Guest

As most of us know, the goys of Altright.com are going through a bit of a rough patch right now (Conte now being charged with a felony as a result of his MSU peacekeeping, Bristow’s exit, what happened at MSU and the falling through of the other Michigan planned events, etc.). The good news is that they’ve got a payment processor – at least at this moment they do. If you’ve been waiting for a good time to donate, now is definitely a good time.
https://www.makersupport.com/AltRight

Nova Morium
Guest

I agree……

I’m glad you haven’t banned me…..

Ha!!

Nova Morium
Guest
Bad Idea….. Identity Europa ditched Maker Support…… Claimed they were taking in Funds from Donors but not Funneling them to Intended Targets…….. As for Bristow…… I donated a Big Sum to the Cuck who in less than a Month became a Leftist who claimed to stand for Transgenders and Minorities while denying the Alt-Right….. In the Future, I’ll be ignoring Desperate White Suburban Pleadings for Funds……. They can go get a Job like the rest of us……. It’s not my Job to financially support Grown Men…….. In my mind, a Significant Portion of all the Infighting comes from too many… Read more »
Nova Morium
Guest

Heads up, AltRight…….

This Dude is SHADY………..

Attacked me on Another Thread claiming I didn’t donate money to AltRight.com…..

Now, has twice posted Advertisements for donating to Maker Support………

Beyond SHADY……..

Nova Morium
Guest

If you need Money……

Here’s some Help……..

http://www.craigslist.com…….

Click on Jobs…….

Good Luck…….

Ha!!

The Grady Bunch
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I don’t need money, I’ve got plenty. I’d be willing to throw a few bucks your way, though, so you can put it towards buying yourself a life. HAHAHAHAHA!!

I’m now done with you forever, you’re a complete dork and nothing but a drain on all that is good. Good luck to you, dumbshit.

Nova Morium
Guest

You sound like a Girl…….

Truly……

Pure Suburban Faggotry on the Nth Level………

Ha!!

And if you have so much Money……….

Then Donate it……

Stop Talking about it and Donate it……….

What are you Waiting for, Fag??

The Grady Bunch
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I’d greatly appreciate some input here from one of the admins. From what I understand, MakerSupport is now the OFFICIAL (and only) payment processor of this website. You can verify that yourself by going to the top of the page and clicking on ‘Altright Plus.’ I’ve not heard any allegations of misappropriations of funds, but if you have evidence then post it because I’m sure the admins would like to be made aware of it. And I attacked you because you spam these comment sections and you constantly brag about how much $ you’ve donated (we all know you’re a… Read more »
Crud+Bonemeal
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Evan McLaren has the makersupport address pinned at the top of his twitter

The Grady Bunch
Guest

A very good point, thank you for chiming in. I just checked Richard’s twitter (@RichardBSpencer), and he has his personal MakerSupport link in his Twitter description/summary as well.

Nova Morium
Guest

Ha!!

The AltRight is celebrating today……

They will never go Poor no More………

A Rich Gay Benefactor has come to Save the Day……..

We’ll see how long you last, Fag……

Good Luck……

Nova Morium
Guest

Then go Donate to Maker Support, Fag……..

You’re a Nothing that will never do Anything……..

And you Know it…….

I think I remember you from about close to a year ago…….

Attacking the threads claiming that you’re Superior to everyone……..

With a different username……

And what has changed??

Your Gonads still haven’t descended, Sheila…….

Ha!!

Nova Morium
Guest

I’m an Atheist….

But, I support wholeheartedly Traditional Christian Morality………

In my mind, there is no Contradiction in this…….

If you commit Adultery you are ‘Sinning’ not against a ‘God’ but against your People and Community………

To Normal White Conservative Christians who vote Republican……..

This in Incomputable……..

In their Mind, supporting the Zionist State of Israel while lambasting the AltRight is Righteous……..

This is Incomputable in my mind………..

How one Bridges these Massive Gaps is lost on me……….

I’m sure ZviZvi relishes this though………

joe boston
Guest

I agree.
there is no political solution.
We need our ethnostate and we need it as soon as possible.
There are 200 million White Americans. If only half of us voted for Trump and only half of them are White Nationalists at heart, that still leaves us 50 million good Whites with whom to start our ethnostate.
We just need some territory. I think that territory might be easy to acquire.
Our enemies have such hatred for us that they might gladly give us some land if we would just go away.
We need to start clamoring for separation and partition now.

Barnabas Wagner
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I’ve been thinking about this lately & the fact of our situation is that there is no option for our future besides armed conflict. There can be no peaceful separation. I ask anyone who actually believes this possible to really think hard on it. The only option for us is to have the men with the most guns on our side. And be ready for any way the future turns in an organized paramilitary political party fashion. Anyone who believes we don’t need some of the masses on our side is foolish. Currently those men are for the most part… Read more »
Johnny+Futurismo
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Armed revolution, or attacking the system head on, right now, is a suicide mission. The best thing we can do right now is drop out of the system, refuse to participate, build autonomous Fascist communities of resistance. The system is in decline right now and anything we can do to accelerate that decline and weaken it, without ending up dead or in jail, is a good thing. MAke yourself and your people as autonomous as possible. Build real, organic communities. As far as getting the normies on board, or rebranding NS, to appeal to them, it’s a waste of time… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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I never said now. I mean 1 or two decades from now armed conflict will be inevitable. Surely you see this, Johnny.
As far as normies are concerned. I’m specifically speaking about those patriots that fervently believe in overthrowing tyranny yet they still believe that NS is evil. That said, they would still be sympathetic to a pro white pro America message & We need them. I’m not sure how anyone can say we don’t tbh. It’s a losing view Imo.

Johnny+Futurismo
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50 people with one unified vision on the same page about optics, tactics, worldview etc. is more powerful than 500 people whose views and goals are all over the map. This is the fundamental error of the Alt-Right. The big tent model. It simply doesn’t work and leads to more infighting than anything else.

Barnabas Wagner
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Johnny, 50 ppl cannot accomplish anything in a country of 350 mil with the strongest military ever recorded.
The fundamental issue is that we are stuck on the Internet & we are not embodying what AH or Mussolini taught us. They never believed in that 50 men stuff. They sought ought to build movements of millions of ppl.

Johnny+Futurismo
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It’s just a random number to make a point. We already have more than 50…

Barnabas Wagner
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Idk I don’t see it. Anyone who thinks we don’t need at 2 million well trained well armed men is naive.
Anyone who thinks we can succeed without the few million armed constitutional guys not on our team is also naive.

Spraguer
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I basically agree with what you’re saying, but… It’s all about balance. Optics do matter, but one should be very careful to subordinate one’s message to them entirely. That said, goose-stepping is idiocy & serves no purpose. Neither do Swastikas. Nazism is not the future. Avoiding certain appearances is just smart. Doesn’t mean we can’t talk sensibly about the Nazi subject & not give a f*ck, but advocating Nazism or dressing up in Nazi regalia is just counter-productive. Still, there is no way to make the press cover us favorably, no matter what we do, which is why remaining edgy… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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Yes, this is my point. Ordinary white guys are ready to go. These are the guys with guns. We need them to accomplish anything in the future.
But we cannot get them on our team going full fash. Idk how some don’t see that. I am myself full Nat Soc but I’m also a realist who values success by any means

Spraguer
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I’m no National Socialist myself, honestly.
I think many National Socialist views are quite childish & underdeveloped.
That said, I am something of a syncretist, I’m just a freedom-respecting syncretist & cynical about power structures.

Nova Morium
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Guns and Ammo are when the American Government tries to become California or Great Britain and when they try to lock us up for Hate Speech (simply defending ourselves as White People)……..

Until then, we have LOTS of Room………

Whites are still the Majority……..

Whites hold the Most Guns/Ammo………

They just don’t understand what’s coming YET……

Johnny+Futurismo
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Practical applications change, but the worldview remains the same. Anybody who wants to play dress up is not to be taken seriously, personally I don’t think we need a uniform at all. We have to operate in the here and now and not nostalgia for the past. We should also develop/revive our own symbols for sure, but also honour our heroes who fought this fight before us.

I agree with the second part 100%.

Barnabas Wagner
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Ok, we’re are too far off in our ideas. Imo if we did gain our own state AH would be upheld and all young kids would be taught to honor him.

My main point is that we need us fully conscious guys to run the show & we should be willing to use white lies to get those pro America normies ready for revolution to fight for us, even if they don’t yet full you understand our ideology.

Barnabas Wagner
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Not far off *

Nova Morium
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That we agree more than disagree is a White Pill…..

Peace……

Nova Morium
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Agreed……

Ranch Hand
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Absolutely agree with you, Mr. Spraguer – Nazism is not the future, and never was. I’m especially certain of this after reading “Beyond This Horizon – A White Nationalist Blueprint For Tomorrow”. It explains why GLR’s American Nazi Party, the NSM, the NWF, and the TWP have failed to capture wide followings, in places all over America where the KKK had amazing success. But we must inspire our people too, and I can name no better WN novel than “Eternity Beach”, one I’m sure you will greatly enjoy. From inspiration action flows. A good axiom to remember.

Barnabas Wagner
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One must also ask, what would AH do if he came back tommorow.
Ignore all non Nat socs and fascists he certainly would not. He would devise a new strategy to bridge the gap as much as possible without sacrificing the end goal. This is what leaders who value success do.

Johnny+Futurismo
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Negative. He says the exact opposite in Mein Kampf.

Barnabas Wagner
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But, what do his actions show. He never revealed his full power level to the masses until after he gained total power. He did not tell ppl he was ending voting. He didn’t tell everyone about kikes right away.
He played a practical and realistic game for success.
One built upon fixing Germany for Germans.

Johnny+Futurismo
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Re-Read Book 2 Chapter 8: The Strong man is Mightiest When Alone.

Barnabas Wagner
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I don’t disagree but sometimes the strong man HAS TO BE TACTICAL!
If AH did his thing on pure 100% truth full heart on his sleeve he would have never succeeded.
I don’t know how you don’t see this.
AH did not alienate when he could bring together. He created a strong fully counscious group of leaders that were commited to NS in mind, body, & spirits & then said and did what needed to be done towards the masses for sucess.

Johnny+Futurismo
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We shouldn’t go out of our way to alienate, but we also shouldn’t pander to. Like I said earlier, most people aren’t ideological. They’ll come to our side regardless of optics/rhetoric when we can provide basic necesseties that the system is failing to provide. The system is still strong, and we’re still weak and that is our number 1 obstacle right now.

Barnabas Wagner
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Yes, but we have to pander to some extant. We have to. I see no way we cannot & still win.
We need our own movement with us running the show.
It needs to be pro white, pro america( not the constitution not the republic, just the land & our shared history)
We can take the entire NS system & change the name and no body would know. Normies have no clue what NS is.

In short, we need to quit larping and we need to take NS and make it our own with our own twist, symbols, etc

Johnny+Futurismo
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I don’t disagree. Build strong, cohesive, self-sufficient, localized communities. Build up from there. Look at what European groups like Golden Dawn, Nordic Resistance, Casapound etc do and emulate it. Rome wasn’t built in a day. I’m against compromising and sugar coating though as it hurts rather than helps. America has a revolutionary history, so you aren’t starting from nothing, like us Canadians are lol.

Barnabas Wagner
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This is my entire point. I’m honestly surprised it gets misinterpreted as sugar coating. We need to effect positive real world change in white Americans lives. Bashing America and wearing past symbols is a losing strategy.
That doesn’t equate with pandering though, I’m not advocating civnat lol. But if you are openly anti American nationalism it doesn’t matter how much power you may or may not gain, good luck.

Johnny+Futurismo
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Sorry, I just saw this now…

I’m unapologetically anti-American. America was founded on liberalism and capitalism by Freemasons. National Socialism is opposed to all three of these things. America as it exists is not compatible with National Socialism/Fascism in any way. I support white seperatism, not MAGA or MAWA.

The American mythos has to be deconstructed, white people need to understand that it was never “their” country and the beast has to be slain. The continued existence of the white race requires it. 14/88 > empty patriotardism.

Barnabas Wagner
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You know, I agree with all of that but it is just not realistic in my mind. I think we need to rebrand America, literally. We need to make it compatible with the 88 precepts.

Johnny+Futurismo
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lol alright. We basically agree. But we have to smash the state to save the nation. Patriots aren’t going to help with this, so they should be discarded. Patriots =/= Nationalists.

Barnabas Wagner
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Yes on smashing the state, democracy, constitution, but I do think we can use patriots as useful idiots. This is what they are and it’s what the kikes use them as, so we take the kikes very tactic and use it against them. This is the one thing they don’t ecxpect us to do. It’s a hard road, but every other path plays into the kikes hands Imo.
& remember that these patriotards are also the guys with guys who fantasize about revolution 2.0. So they have use.

Barnabas Wagner
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Guys with guns*

Johnny+Futurismo
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I think they will die to defend the state. Without the state, an American is essentially nothing. Nationalists fight for their people. Patriots fight for the state. When the state turns against the people Nationalists fight Patriots. This is why I think Black Nationalists are more natural allies than White Conservatives.

Barnabas Wagner
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I have to say that you lack an understanding of the minds of the average American here on the ground. They know that the entire state is corrupt. Every aspect. Once trump leaves office and democrats take the rein which will happen in the next 6 years. Conservative Americans will have not even a single man to hold them in line & provide false hope. They will fully see that nothing can save this state tht they already know to be rotten. This is where we use them. It is a golden opportunity & to miss this is suicide of… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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The key is to rebrand AM away from the constitution and towards the 88 precepts

Johnny+Futurismo
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This is worth reading. It’s the closest thing to my conclusions that I’ve found online.

http://archive.is/CM7qt

Barnabas Wagner
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Can you attempt to re upload this link. It doesn’t want to connect..

Johnny+Futurismo
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hmmm… It works for me. Try this one.

http://archive.is/jICvM

Barnabas Wagner
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Thanks. Read it all & it aligns completely with the way I think tbh.
Maybe you are right & no Augustus is coming that can pull this thing together with force and we are just better off pushing it to its deserved death.
I fucking hate everything America was founded upon except that frontier spirit anyway, but I think you already know this.

Barnabas Wagner
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Also, and I apologize for blowing up your thread. But I’m honestly curious & would hope you’d adress all my points.

What would be the end goal if we simply drop and and create our own communities. Eventual ethnostate? Gov will invade that & you’ll lose unless you have all those men with guns.
Eventual coup? You need all those patriots with guns for that
Revolution? See above.
There are just not enough nat socs or fascists alone to win, dude. This is the reality on the ground

Spraguer
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Funny, because the media itself recently claimed that a full 10% of the American public was basically Alt-Right. The media!
How many millions of us are out there, ready to sacrifice, ready to act? Hard to say.
I mean, an absurdly disproportionate percentage of that 10% are young, angry, armed white men.
It’s true that we’re not organized, but it’s not true that we’re not there.

Barnabas Wagner
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Maybe we have enough guys who are full fledged far right. I’m skeptical, but even if we did there is an equal amount of constitutional pro white guys with more guns and more training who may see us as a threat equal to the gov.
This is my concern

Barnabas Wagner
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This is a tad late, but to adress that last part: This Is where the disconnect is. You say after the collapse, but what collapse do you mean and when will this collapse take place? Imo there will be no collapse. If whites don’t act within the next 2 1/2 decades we will be fucked forever. The system shows nothing that indicates it cannot run indefinitely. By the time whites are completely outnumbered in the states(2040) autonomously s working automons will be every where inside of majority of the economy and said economic system will be oermantly propped up with… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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Apologies for the typos. Should still be legibl but I did sperg out tab.
It is still the truth though. Anyone who believes that a magical collapse is going to happen that will open the gates for a white fascist regime to swoop in and take power from ZOG is living in fantasyland.

UkraineTrump
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My experience in talking to friends and relatives is that the post-World War Two brainwashing is so deep that the situation is near hopeless without an economic collapse. American whites are so terrorized from engaging in race conscious activity that it’s embedded in their unconscious. i think they would suffer physiological symptoms if forced to confront racial realities. The Christians are among the worst — they somehow think it’s Christian for the race that brought the New Testament to the world to go extinct. It’s such a bleak situation compared to Eastern Europe and Russia, where attitudes are extremely healthy.… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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Idk where your relatives and friends live, but blue collar, country, and some middle class whites are fully redpilled on the corruption of the gov. Most aren’t aware of the kikes & the entire situation but they still hate the government. Once trump leaves it’ll reach its peak. A lot of average working class whites are racist by birth & hate the idea of foreigners invading us. Tbh I am dumbfounded at the level of disconnect on this thread as to the Mind of the average working class white. It is profoundly mistaken. Not just you personally but most it… Read more »
UkraineTrump
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This is 100% accurate and correct. All we can do now is to prepare for the GREAT COLLAPSE. And when it happens, we have to be ready to take over wherever we may be.

Barnabas Wagner
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What for what God?
That’s what it sounds like. No different than evangelicals waiting for the resurrection.
What collapse are you speaking of & why are we to wait when a collapse will probably never arrive. Seems that we face a slow death type situation.
To me this is such a foolish thought

Crud+Bonemeal
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They will end up on our side, we don’t need to change our ideology for them. We just have to have some minimal level of intelligence and avoid doing incredibly stupid things. ————————– They say a coward will allow himself to be bullied and backed up as long as there is room left for him to back up. All of White America has been behaving like a damned coward in the face of arrogant Blacks and traitors in government dismantling the once-great United States of America. Before it is too late, let’s see to it that the big coward at… Read more »
Barnabas Wagner
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My only point is will promoting Nationalism Socialism & upholding hitler gain those we need to win?
Why can’t we change the fucking name of it and tailor it to our country?
I’m not saying anything about changing ideas.
The kikes beat us through manipulation of words and ideas yet we’re are willing to do some what similar to best the kikes. This makes no sense to me

Barnabas Wagner
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Are not*

Crud+Bonemeal
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To me it seems that the obvious approach is to talk about race, Jews and (white) nationalism, without dressing up in costumes or needlessly going around creating distracting associations with past regimes. I would view the 88 words as a logical extension of the 14 words.

It will come up when you start talking about Jews though.

But ultimately, we don’t necessarily need the masses to love us, we just have to influence their thinking and the conditions they’re living in, to ensure that they end up fighting the right enemies.

Barnabas Wagner
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This is the point I was attempting to make.
White nationalism, 1488 is all good. This should be our message.
We need to be in the communities though and we will need the support of the minority Americans stocked up with guns, a lot of them are full consituionlists & we need a better strategy then simply hoping the Overton window will naturally affect them.

Crud+Bonemeal
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We do have to be careful to think in terms of NS as a worldview, which is adaptable to our specific people and our specific circumstances

Rather than a dogmatic recipe for recreating every aspect of the 1930s.

Barnabas Wagner
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Exactly. This is what I’m trying to get at though I may have been a tad rushed in some of my comments so it wasn’t entirely clear. We need to rebrand NS & the 88 precepts towards our unique situation here in the states. Imo we need to create a political party, not in order to gain seats, but simply to organize & better effect whites within their communities. We need our own flag, symbols, words etc with the goal being to create an American Nationalist party where American equals white & our government & society we advocate is based… Read more »
Crud+Bonemeal
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Agree, but it should be “White American”, not “American = implicitly White”

You can say anti-white nowadays, you don’t have to cloak it in implicit rhetoric. And doing so is risky when you use a term that has an unclear meaning.

Barnabas Wagner
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You are correct. We need to be very specific about this.

UkraineTrump
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That’s what Matt Heimbach was doing until he shot himself in the foot with his dick. Except we need to get away from the Neo-Fash optics. I think the Spencerites’ polo shirts and khakis are the right approach. We need to look as clean cut and benign as possible. We should look at Heimbach’s collapse as an opportunity — use the good things he did yet get rid of the stupid things.

Barnabas Wagner
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Heimbach failed because of the name he chose for his party & because he was not pro America.
The altright can wait 100 years until the average white has had enough, but nothing will change our situation until then until the bourgeoise members of this movement look towards opening it towards blue collar and country folk. This Holy than thou attitude when it comes to lower income whites is Jewish & will be the end of the white race.

Sean
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Very true. Hitler didn’t strut around in the uniform of Frederick the Great. He wore contemporary clothing and had a modern uniform, a real man living in the real world of his day.

We must move beyond the “rebellious teenager” phase and into the “serious man” phase.

Barnabas Wagner
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Yes. I also think that we need to be pro America. Hitler didn’t rally against Germany. He rallied against the power structure & was pro german. The average conservative patriot may love muh constitution & muh republic but they fancy these as ideas mostly. They hate the government. We need a pro white & pro America message with a different idea of America. We need actual policy and actual ideas to give ppl on how to change America and fix it. How to change the corruption of the state in ways other than vote in new ppl. The average white… Read more »
Nova Morium
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As an American……

It would be Wise to Legally buy Guns and Ammo now……

And then Legally……

Buy More…….

UkraineTrump
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Nothing is possible until the economy collapses. Normie whites are too addicted to their professional sports, their fast food, their porn, their video games, their tourism, their lawnmowers … Once the economy collapses, everything becomes possible — separation, segregation, conquest …

RestoreSanity
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I can’t think of any system of government that would not require regular violent rebootings. Over generations people eventually let their guard down, forget important principles or get trapped in bloated bureaucracies. Although, whether or not it’s coincidental, history does show that autocracies seem to conserve homogeneity the best. Actually wouldn’t be surprised if monarchies made a come back this century. Why settle for small-time dictators like Putin and Xi Jinping when you can have a glorious emperor leading your people? If democracy is a lie let’s get the best autocrat we can get.

After Democracy
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The problem with democracy is that it equates the political worth of unequal people. Why should the opinion of a minority be weighed the same as a majority’s? A woman’s to a man’s? An 18-year-old’s to a 60-year-old’s?

The risk of a bad monarch is certainly real, but democracy with universal suffrage is not the solution. It is only another form of poor governance.

Clark Kent
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Democracy with a fully controlled (((media))) and (((cultural))) infrastructure is effectively soft-communism.

UkraineTrump
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I agree 100%. We live in a system of pseudo-freedom. We have the freedom to buy property, yet that property is taken from us the minute we say something that contradicts the (((Narrative))). It is a diabolical system that convinces us we are free when we are far from free.

UkraineTrump
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I agree 100%. Universal suffrage is insane and the Founding Fathers would have never supported it. At this point, universal suffrage is completely manipulated by ZOG.

Gordon
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We all know about the deliberate destruction of the founding stock of people and just how far along this plan now is; however, the destruction of the US economic system is even more advanced, and this could be the thing that sparks an awakening and a revolt. The US stock markets are teetering on the edge of a major collapse. I expect a major drop in values this year. It could happen tomorrow. We are on the verge of a collapse of the US dollar and a major fall in the artificially high standard of living here in the US.… Read more »
The Grady Bunch
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I’ve heard many say that the NRA has been so politically effective because they understand that ‘He who has the gold makes the rules.’ Maybe we need to learn to start playing the game……….as corrupt, rigged, and fickle as that game might be.

On a closely related note, the gentleman of Altright.com have finally got a payment processor. Donate while you can before it’s taken down.
https://www.makersupport.com/AltRight

Andrea Daley
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A lost opportunity at Michigan speech. Why didn’t Spencer and Co make a quality video of the speech with good sound? Look how Identity Evropa did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0l2WmpMrdQ Spencer has spoke of importance of aesthetics but aesthetics are conveyed through mastery of medium. Now, there weren’t many people in the auditorium. Okay, this is what Spencer could have done: He could have had people video the melee outside: the antifa lunacy and police collusion with antifa. And he could have made a video of the lecture by juxtaposing the speech inside with the violent lunacy(allowed by police) on the outside.… Read more »
Johnny+Futurismo
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I agree with most of what is said in this article. I’ve always seen WN as a post-American idea. Those in the movement who want to MAGA and use talking points like “my founding fathers wuz white nationalists” are holding us back. Hunter Wallace recently wrote a good article on why AmNat is dumb. Definently worth a read. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/03/20/american-nationalism-isnt-white-nationalism/

Brian Frakes
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I heartily agree, my brother…now tell it to The Daily Stormer and TRS.

Gordon
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Excellent analysis of the present situation.

Nova Morium
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this dark choking blackness
saturated and overtook me
permeating my being with its death

but my eyes and mind refused to fall
for I knew this death firsthand

it was a traveling companion
I learned to keep quite close

and so as it does
it rose and then fell

and dawn emerged once again
as I kept on walking on
with this enemy-friend

Crud+Bonemeal
Guest

It seems very clear that these are the right ideas to be thinking about, although nobody yet knows who, if anyone, can make them a reality.

TexanMike
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A lot of talk about how we need to just get back to the founders implicit ethnostate reality. They also failed to make the Constitution strong enough to thwart ethnic and spiritual subversion, did they. Kind of a gaping hole. But yes, we don’t have a monarchy – just like you said oligarch’s. Another gaping hole in their founding document. Anglin et al over at DS are going all deus vult convert to Christianity or die, + Americana = really NatSoc meme…I wish the founders were. They weren’t. Plus that, American flag, is fairly ingrained brand – good luck changing… Read more »
Spraguer
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A white ethnostate in North America can incorporate the American flag or other American symbols within its own flags & emblems. I’m not convinced it needs to, but there are ways to do so & it’s not a terrible idea on the whole.
Yes, christianity can not save us. It will not be the glue that binds the ethnostate. Naturally, the ethnostate will likely be overwhelmingly christian, but whatever form of christianity takes root or exists there, will be a very different form of christianity.

Nova Morium
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It’s kind of like we in the AltRight have to just wait until the White Majority realize what’s actually happening….. Our Enemies are WISE….. Which is why it’s been coming in Micro-Increments……… While making sure from the Fed Reserve that the Economy continues to pump out Cheap Products and Easy Pleasure/Comfort…….. And then it’s OVER…….. And there’s NO Turning Back……… America is not Europe or the UK………. But, the Major Black Pill is that the Majority of White Evangelical Christians are Brainwashed by Scofield Dispensationalism…….. They can’t See the Light because ‘All Atheists are Leftists trying to Destroy Christian America’…….… Read more »