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The Alt-Right and the Homosexual Question — Part 3

One might be tempted to dismiss the position of Counter-Currents on the homosexual question as merely wrong-headed, ill-informed, or even amateurish. However, I believe that many of the writers there are intelligent, historiographically literate, and are probably aware that they are producing an argument with an agenda attached.

Also read: Part 1; Part 2.


Jewish Promotion of Homosexuality among non-Jews

On a related note, the accusation that hostility to homosexuality is Jewish may be regarded as a passive, or barely concealed, attack on Christianity. Again, this is not surprising in itself, but it is incongruous in the context of apparent arguments being made in favor of movement unity. Essentially, the argument put forth by Johnson is that it is wrong to critique homosexuals because that is bad for movement unity, when in fact the apologetic itself purposefully attacks Christians (a very numerically substantial element of our movement) as ‘Jewish.’ In such a manner, our erstwhile architects of unity are in fact the cause of disunity, not merely by their very presence but by the divisive nature of their own arguments. Given what we have discussed thus far, it should be clear that if we had to choose between Christians and pseudo-pagan homosexuals, our movement would be numerically, demographically, tactically, socially, and intellectually enriched by choosing the former over the latter.

We should also consider modern Jewish attitudes, and what Jews are promoting to us today, rather than what they preached to themselves thousands of years ago. It goes without saying that a people engaged in ethnic warfare would arm itself with the best tools possible while simultaneously weakening the opposing tribe. Jews chose to arm themselves with social mores designed to boost their numbers, but what they did preach to their opponents? Until the late 19th century the Jewish interaction with European culture was more or less limited to financial matters. This changed with the intrusion of the Jews into the mass media and from there the further intrusion into almost every arm of culture. If culture is understood as the way in which a nation speaks to itself about itself, then one must understand that the presence of an alien body in this process can be devastating. The Jews posed themselves as French, German, British, etc and began to speak to these peoples, not as Jews, but as one of their own. The cultural conversation thus took on a different light altogether, and with different end goals. Without realizing it, these nations were no longer speaking to themselves about themselves, but were instead being fed fabrications by outsiders — both about themselves and about the world. A nation’s dreams and aspirations became its nightmares and self-recriminations. A nation that once talked to itself about its future now talked to itself incessantly about its putatively guilty past.

As Jews flooded the medical and scientific professions in the late 19th century, they brought with them the desire to interrupt the European self-conversation about race, biology, and related subjects. One of these was homosexuality. In this area, and for the last century or more, Jewish activists have ‘distinguished’ themselves by normalizing and promoting homosexuality, and by campaigning for cultural and legal changes on behalf of homosexuals. Many of these Jewish activists originated in orthodox communities where homosexuality was outlawed, but they nevertheless preached toleration of homosexuality to non-Jews. Albert Moll (1862–1939), who would go on to be “a great influence on Freud,”1 came from a Polish Jewish merchant family and “belonged to the Jewish religious community.”2 Typical of his ethno-religious group, Moll frequently utilized his position within the field of medical psychology to form an oppositional bloc against prevailing opinions in nineteenth — and early twentieth-century non-Jewish society. Indeed, large numbers of Jews tactically ambushed several medical disciplines during this period for precisely this reason. Historian Elena Macini writes that “Jews flooded medicine at this time not only for social standing but also in an era that witnessed the efflorescence of race science, for the opportunity of self-representation. … The presence of Jews in the medical sector in general, and in race science in particular, allowed them to assert Jewish equality and very often moral superiority.”3 With Berlin as the center of German medicine, and Jews comprising one-third of doctors in the city,4 the domination and re-orientation of entire disciplines was not only feasible but disturbingly easy.

A key aspect of advocating for Jewish equality and moral superiority was the Jewish advocacy of social, racial and religious pluralism — which came to include ‘sexual pluralism.’ This position often came into conflict with non-Jewish efforts to promote Nationalism, particularly ethnically-based Nationalism, and corresponding efforts to confront social and cultural decay. A universal theme in Albert Moll’s works were arguments against German attempts to reckon with late Imperial and Weimar-era social and biological degeneration via eugenic programs. For example, in his Handbuch der Sexualwissenschaften (1911) Moll expressed the hope that mooted plans for sterilization programs would “not be implemented and that our race-improvers do not get too much influence on our legislation.” When German science in the late 1920s became concerned with degeneration and decline, gravitating even further towards eugenics, Moll preceded Boas in rejecting the findings of behavior genetics, arguing that “the fact we find so many valuable people, despite the hereditary burden, is caused by regeneration in countless cases. …  We can hardly ever say something about the condition of offspring with any certainty at all.” Moll was, therefore, the quintessential Jewish physician: political and ethnic interests were never far from his dubious practice of medicine.

Moll worked tirelessly to persuade leading non-Jewish scholars like Richard von Krafft-Ebing to reject the idea that sexual abnormality was the result of biological and psychological disorder. In Freud: Biologist of the Mind, Frank J. Sulloway writes that “Krafft-Ebing’s decision around the turn of the century to separate the doctrine of degeneration from the theory of homosexuality was in response to the thinking of his younger and more critical colleague Moll.”5 However, there is a significant reason to doubt the validity of Krafft-Ebing’s personal change of perspective given that the most pertinent, later, editions of his Psychopathia Sexualis that showcased this change were in fact edited by none other than Moll himself.

Moll’s work centered on the argument that there were alternative, valid, “identities,” and as such, he argued that homosexuality was a “valid sexual identity.”6 Whereas earlier non-Jewish psychiatrists observed “unsavory and often contemptible personal characteristics” among sexual inverts (including their tendency to be liars, their moodiness, love of gossip, and vanity and envy), Moll argued instead that “homosexual men were not corrupt, but merely womanish,”7 comprising a kind of “third sex” — a theory that would later be advanced much further by co-ethnic Magnus Hirschfeld. In Sex, Freedom and Power in Imperial Germany, 1880–1914, E.R. Dickson remarks that Moll’s theories were popularized and given substantial sympathetic coverage in Germany by the predominantly Jewish Social Democratic press during the trial of Oscar Wilde in England in 1895 (RE. the contemporary scene, see my Occidental Observer colleague Brenton Sanderson’s “Jewish media influence as decisive in creating a positive public culture of homosexuality“). Dickson writes that “public policy towards homosexuality was also one more issue Social Democrats could use to point to the hypocrisy of bourgeois sexual mores and to elaborate on their own naturalist alternative. Social Democrat Eduard Bernstein, for example, did precisely that in his reporting for German audiences on the Wilde case in London (where he was living as a journalist).”8

Even more radical than Moll was Magnus Hirschfeld (1868–1935). Like Moll, Hirschfeld came from a family of Jewish merchants and, also like Moll, he advanced theories of social and sexual behavior amounting to “the existence of fundamental irreducible sameness in human beings.”9 Unsurprisingly, Elena Macini writes that Hirschfeld’s Jewishness was “a socially and politically determinant aspect of his life.”10 A common feature of his work was the hatred he had for Christianity — a hatred both Jewish and homosexual in origin. Indeed, his critique of that religion resembled in many respects that concocted by Freud. To Hirschfeld, Christianity was “essentially sadomasochistic, delighting in the pain of ascetic self-denial.”11 Western Civilization had thus been “in the grip of anti-hedonist exaggerations for two thousand years,” thereby committing “psychic self-mutilation.”12 It was, therefore, Western society, rather than homosexuals and other outsiders, that was sick and degenerate, and Hirschfeld’s prescribed ‘cure’ was one destined to be demographically destructive — the promotion of sexual hedonism and the acceptance of a wide array of “identities” and “sexualities.”

Hirschfeld, described by Mancini as “cosmopolitan to the core,” essentially created the first homosexual “communities,” beginning in Berlin where the Hebrew “transvestite” (a term he coined) was known as “Aunt Magnesia” by the city’s perverts. Hirschfeld organized homosexuals, encouraging them to openly flaunt their predilections and to get involved in the growing campaign for “emancipation” that was developing under the auspices of the Scientific Humanitarian Committee which he had formed in 1897. Hirschfeld pioneered modern Social Justice Warrior tactics by urging celebrities and high-profile politicians to add their names in support of the campaign for “sexual equality.” Hirschfeld and his protégés also produced a vast number of books, manuscripts, papers, and pamphlets concerning sexuality, transvestitism, “transgenderism” (another Hirschfeld term) and fetishes. Hirschfeld’s Institute for Sexual Science (Institut füer Sexualwissenschaft) was the world’s first gender identity clinic and his staff performed the first known transsexual surgeries. Through the Institute for Sexual Science which he founded in 1919, Hirschfeld also documented thousands of cases of sexual inversion and further bolstered his theory of the “Third Sex.”

Despite the bankruptcy of his science, the dramatic success of the Committee at mobilizing large sectors of German and European society on behalf of homosexuals was due to Hirschfeld’s personality. Like Moll, he was an aggressive and relentless agitator. Respecting few social codes, he was the darling of the Social Democrats and the reviled enemy of Weimar conservatives (Hitler referred to Hirschfeld as “the most dangerous Jew in Germany”). By the end of the 1920s, Hirschfeld’s activism meant that Weimar Germany saw homosexuality less as a medical disorder and sign of degeneration than as a major cause célèbre. Hirschfeld’s perverse bonanza came to an end in 1933 when on May 6th Nationalist German student organizations and columns of the Hitler Youth attacked the Institute for Sexual Science. The Institute library was liquidated and its contents used in a book burning on May 10. The youths also printed and disseminated posters bearing Hirschfeld’s face complete with the caption: “Protector and Promoter of pathological sexual aberrations, also in his physical appearance probably the most disgusting of all Jewish monsters.” Hirschfeld himself had been on an international speaking tour since 1931. He lived in exile in France until he died of a heart attack in 1935. But unfortunately, this individual enjoyed significant post-humous success. In terms of theory, Hirschfeld had “subverted the notion that romantic love should be orientated toward reproduction,” arguing instead for the acceptance of homosexual lifestyles and hedonistic, non-reproductive, sexual relations in general.13

Hirschfeld’s use of the weaponized concept of love was itself a legacy of Hirschfeld’s “scientific mentor” and co-ethnic Iwan Bloch (1872–1922). Like Moll and Hirschfeld, Bloch had no background in zoology, evolutionary studies or animal behavior. Trained as a dermatologist, Bloch was also attracted to the cause of “sexual minorities” and became an ardent campaigner on their behalf. He joined with Moll and Hirschfeld in attacking the non-Jewish consensus that sexual inversion was pathological and coined the term sexualwissenschaft or sexology to give academic and medical respectability to what was essentially a Jewish intellectual reaction against non-Jewish efforts to categorize harmful social and sexual pathologies. He was also a keen promoter of perversion and pornography. He was the “discoverer” of the Marquis de Sade’s manuscript of The 120 Days of Sodom, which had been believed to be lost, and published it under the pseudonym Eugène Dühren in 1904. In 1899 he had published Marquis de Sade: His Life and Works under the same pseudonym. In 1906 he wrote The Sexual Life of Our Time in its Relations to Modern Civilization, for which he gained the praise of Sigmund Freud for attacking “bourgeois” (non-Jewish) sexual mores, attacking the perception of sexual inverts as pathological, and calling for Europeans to adopt a more pluralistic and hedonistic sexual life.

By the time Moll, Hirschfeld and Bloch had essentially co-opted and redirected the study of human sexual behavior, Jews were flooding the new “discipline” in increasing numbers. Albert Eulenberg (1840–1917), with a background in neurology and electrotherapy, began styling himself a sexologist. With Bloch and Max Marcuse (1877–1963) he co-edited the Zeitschrift fur Sexualwissenschaft  (Journal for Sexology) and with Hirschfeld, he co-founded the Berlin Society for Sexual Science and Eugenics. The eugenics aspect of the society’s name was, of course, a clever piece of deception, intended to ingratiate it with non-Jewish eugenic societies for the purposes of eventual subversion with Jewish oppositional ideas. Nor was the tactic new. Eulenberg, Hirschfeld, and Moll all claimed to be eugenicists but, like the Jewish-dominated German League for Improvement of the People and the Study of Heredity, astute Nationalists perceived the attempt at co-option from within, and all were attacked by National Socialist publisher Julius F. Lehmann as “part of a targeted subversion on the part of Berlin Jews.”14

Although Jewish sexology, and with it the promotion of homosexuality, was effectively shut down by the National Socialists, it would live on in exile, along with other poisonous doctrines, with the Frankfurt School. After the war, it would return, with Horkheimer and Adorno, to Frankfurt, where the Hirschfeld’s Institute for Sexual Science would be re-established and then led by their protégé Volkmar Sigusch (who coined the term ‘cisgender,’ now much-beloved by SJWs). From there it would spread throughout the West. Since taking on the leadership of the Institute, Sigusch has acted as a theorist and expert on social policy issues, and he has played a key role in liberalizing Germany’s laws penalizing homosexuality. Until 2006, Sigusch led Frankfurt University’s Institute for Sexual Science and its associated sexual medicine clinic. In 2005, he published Neo-sexuality: On the Cultural Change of Love and Perversion. In early March 2011, he released Searching for Sexual Freedom. Sigusch, who has done much to continue the advance of ‘sexual pluralism,’ has been described by Der Spiegel as “one of the main thinkers behind the sexual revolution of the 1960s.” Despite his non-Jewish ethnicity, these works reveal that he is the spiritual and ideological son of Moll, Bloch, Hirschfeld, and Eulenberg. Yet more reasons, perhaps, to question the argument, advanced by Counter-Currents, that “homophobia is Jewish.”

The Promotion of Homosexuality within White Nationalism

One might be tempted to dismiss the position of Counter-Currents on the homosexual question as merely wrong-headed, ill-informed, or even amateurish. However, I believe that many of the writers there are intelligent, historiographically literate, and are probably aware that they are producing an argument with an agenda attached. One of the more annoying aspects of their position, however, is that it is framed under the rubric that ‘homosexuality is beside the point.’ Even if this were true, which in terms of our demographic and social concerns it is not, Counter Currents have not stuck to their professed ‘line.’ In fact, through the publication of volumes such as James O’Meara’s The Homo and the Negro, and a number of articles acting as apologetics for homosexuality, they’ve done quite the opposite. I only very recently looked at The Homo and the Negro for the first time and was stunned at the publication, by an ostensibly Nationalist organization, of a set of writings that promotes pederasty.

In The Homo and the Negro O’Meara advances a number of arguments that should now be familiar, and with which we have already dealt with. O’Meara writes of the “futility” of the Right due to its “Judeo-Christianity.” He writes of a rampant “homophobia” (do White Nationalists now routinely use Jewish coinages like this?), which he defines as “a fear of homosexuality.” From here, O’Meara writes, apparently with the support of his publisher, that the American Right “cannot be a vehicle for the preservation and expansion of White culture since its Judeo-Christian element leads it to oppose the culture-creating and culture-sustaining element of homoeroticism.” Quite how the grooming and buggery of teenage boys in antiquity led to the creation of culture is never clearly articulated by O’Meara, though one is left with the distinct impression that he is speaking from a perspective of sexual preference rather than intellectual inquiry. Such fantasies may be assumed to lie behind his further elaboration that “the homosexual is the ideal type in a masculinist, homoerotic system.” Capping all of this nonsense is his assertion that “family values are Judaic,” and that the Right, by being hostile towards homosexuals, “deprives itself of the elitist cultural creativity of homosexuals.”

Are family values really Judaic, as O’Meara claims? Consider one example contrary to this homosexual apologetic in the form of what Tacitus said of the ancient Germans:

Their marriage code, however, is strict, and indeed no part of their manners is more praiseworthy…This they count their strongest bond of union, these their sacred mysteries, these their gods of marriage. Lest the woman should think herself to stand apart from aspirations after noble deeds and from the perils of war, she is reminded by the ceremony which inaugurates marriage that she is her husband’s partner in toil and danger, destined to suffer and to dare with him alike both in in war. The yoked oxen, the harnessed steed, the gift of arms proclaim this fact. She must live and die with the feeling that she is receiving what she must hand down to her children neither tarnished nor depreciated, what future daughters-in-law may receive, and may be so passed on to her grandchildren.

Moreover, recent DNA studies in England support previous research from the University of Oslo suggesting that Viking men were family-oriented, coming from communities where the marriage bond was strong and did not engage sexually with the women of lands they conquered. Rather it was found that Viking raiding parties were accompanied by significant numbers of women, and possibly whole families. One might also consider the ancient Brehon Law of the Irish mentioned earlier, which promoted the sanctity of the marriage bond, and reproduction within it.

Again, are family values Jewish? Perhaps only in the mind of a manipulative homosexual who wishes to cynically use ethno-nationalistic instincts and a righteous hostility towards Jews in order to advance his own agenda — by tarring everything that he himself abhors as “Jewish.” In reality, the proffered vision is a homo-nihilistic fantasy in which wholly imagined pederastic nnerbund antics take the place of the reproductive monogamous family unit as the lifeblood of the nation. O’Meara glorifies the work of Hans Blüher, a man condemned in his lifetime by Heinrich Himmler and Der Stürmer as a “notorious pederast,” who once wrote that: “In general, the greatest form of love is not between man and woman; with that there are children; that is something animalistic. The greatest form is the sublimated love between man and man. It is only from this that the greatest things in world history have come about.” O’Meara’s ideas are, ultimately, a poisonous doctrine that lowers the status of the family and reproduction in favor of a counter-productive sexual pathology. Such behavior is best described from an ethno-nationalist perspective by National Socialist theorist Reinhard Heydrich, who described the antisocial as having a natural inclination towards “disorder and subversion,” thereby “placing themselves at the disposal of the enemies of our people, and acting as a tool and weapon for their plans.”

In truth, homosexuality has been part of the demographic problem in the West. I once published on social media that society never really accepted homosexuality, but rather that society itself first became ‘homosexual’ in its traits before it could tolerate actual homosexuals. As the West became progressively more childless, promiscuous, hedonistic, and brimming with delusional self-confidence, the differences between the normal and the abnormal narrowed, and there appeared fewer reasons to continue to deny ‘equality’ to the sexual invert. As mentioned previously, Havelock Ellis observed that societies with demographic concerns will have harsh penalties for both homosexuality and abortion/infanticide. The West is in demographic free fall but, ignorant of the profound implications of this racial death, it’s people are actually in the process of indulging in a culture cultivated for their demographic assassination. Homosexuality has never been more tolerated. Abortion has never been easier and less stigmatized. Whites have never been closer to leaving the stage of history.

Promiscuity has replaced the pushchair. A glance at the modern generation of Whites of child-bearing age is sobering. Rates of sexually transmitted disease in America have never been higher. According to senior physicians, the UK is heading for a “sexual health crisis.” The same phenomenon has been reported in Australia, Canada, Ireland, France, and Germany. Meanwhile, the Gatestone Institute reports that: “Abortion has recently assumed epic proportions in countries such as Sweden or France. In France, there are 200,000 abortions a year. To put things in perspective, there are in France around 750,000 births a year. France, therefore, is aborting 20% of its babies/fetuses/embryos/cell clusters — choose according to your personal convictions — each year.” You can be sure that it isn’t French Muslims who are aborting their babies by the hundred thousand, and this perhaps explains why they’ve been telling the Archbishop of Strasbourg that “France will be theirs one day.”

In The Population Bomb (1968), the Jewish biologist Paul Ehrlich wrote that the best method to reduce population is the legalization of abortion. That was without considering the effect of birth control, or the cultural impact of tolerance of homosexuality and the Hirschfeld-derived glorification of perverted, empty, childless visions of “love.” When Europeans began to legalize both birth control and abortion 40 years ago, a few years after Roe vs. Wade (1973), the Catholic Church warned of the risk of Europe entering into a “morbid civilization.” This, of course, is the same Catholic Church likely to be denounced as “Judaic” by James O’Meara and his sponsors. In truth, and as someone raised in a Protestant home, I must concede that had the Catholic Church had more power to enforce its doctrine, Europe would still be flourishing demographically, and a mass Muslim invasion would be nothing but a nightmare never to come to fruition.

Why would O’Meara and Counter-Currents publish and promote such ideas, denigrating the family and selfishly glorifying their own preferences? Here it is necessary to confront the issue of the homosexual personality and to return to our central argument of the incompatibility of homosexuality and Alt-Right principles. As stated earlier in this essay, psychological studies indicate that homosexuals score higher than the sexually normal on traits associated with psychopathy, including higher rates of promiscuity, a greater tendency to high-risk activity, higher rates of intimate partner violence,15 low levels of impulse control, and a tendency towards bouts of exaggerated sense of self-esteem/importance. In addition, studies have found that homosexuality was 10 times more common among the men and 6 times more common among the women with borderline personality disorder (BPD) than in the general population or in a depressed control group.16 An extensive 2008 study confirmed and expanded upon these findings, arguing that “subjects with BPD were significantly more likely than comparison subjects to report homosexual or bisexual orientation and intimate same-sex relationships.”

Prior to the peaking of ‘sexual pluralism’ in the last decade, research into the homosexual personality was behind much of the stance in the United States in terms of excluding homosexuals from the military, law enforcement, and government security. It was argued that homosexuals “possessed an inordinate amount of psychopathology and character flaws such as instability, illegal conduct, dishonesty, untrustworthiness, poor teamwork, and relationship forming skills. Gay men were described as being highly strung and neurotic.”17 Combining an understanding of homosexual personality traits with homosexual apologetics produced within White Nationalism, it becomes clear that dishonesty (“homosexuality is beside the point, let’s not discuss it”) and manipulative behaviors (“hostility to homosexuality is Jewish”), and an exaggerated sense of self-esteem/importance are at least primary concerns to those wanting to steer the cause of Whites in the right direction. Evidence of the latter is surely in evidence both in O’Meara’s claim that the Right persists in depriving “itself of the elitist cultural creativity of homosexuals,” and Greg Johnson’s apparent belief that homosexuals are “real assets” to the movement because they “are intelligent and accomplished…Are freer to speak their minds because they give fewer hostages to fortune. They also have more free time and more disposable income to devote to the cause.”

Such promotions of homosexuality are inherently insidious and are proof that, consciously or not, issues of White success, particularly demographic success, are likely to always be subordinated by the homosexual in favor of theories of life or behavior which glorify or excuse his own predilections. The fact that an ostensibly nationalist writer can openly praise a pederastic author who denigrated the reproductive relationships of normal, healthy families is a sign of a degenerative rot that has developed in the corners of this movement. The toleration of such a rot has been the cause of disunity — not surprising given the apparent success of the lie that “tolerating homosexuals will increase our unity.” Quite the contrary. I have nationalist friends of many stripes, and a number of them have previously avoided aligning themselves rhetorically or materially with institutions like the National Policy Institute, or concepts such as the Alt-Right, because of an apparent tolerance of homosexuals and their apologetics. As a father of three, I have also had serious reservations about the kind of movement I am trying to raise my children in. Raising them in an environment that tolerates the open promotion of pederasty is out of the question.

This essay will cut out some of the rot, and bring clarity to some issues and questions that have been left to fester. It is largely a thankless task, and a dirty one too, but the Augean Stables must be cleansed.


References:

1 F.J. Solloway, Freud, Biologist of the Mind: Beyond the Psychoanalytic Legend (Harvard, 1979), 314-5.

2 V. Roelcke, Twentieth Century Ethics of Human Subjects Research: Historical Perspectives From Steiner Verlag (Stuttgart, 2004), 26.

3 E. Mancini, Magnus Hirschfeld and the Quest for Sexual Freedom: A History of the First International Sexual Freedom Movement (Palgrave Macmillan, 2010), 29.

4 A. Killen, Berlin Electropolis: Shock, Nerves and German Modernity (University of California Press, 2006), 63.

5 Solloway, Freud, Biologist of the Mind: Beyond the Psychoanalytic Legend (Harvard, 1979), 300.

6 E.R. Dickson, Sex, Freedom and Power in Imperial Germany, 1880-1914 (Cambridge University Press, 2014), 155.

7 Ibid, 156.

8 Ibid, 157.

9 Mancini, Magnus Hirschfeld and the Quest for Sexual Freedom, 30.

10 Ibid, 4.

11 Ibid, 160.

12 Ibid.

13 E.R. Dickson, Sex, Freedom and Power in Imperial Germany, 1880-1914 (Cambridge University Press, 2014), 7.

14 J. Glad, Future Human Evolution: Eugenics in the Twenty-First Century (Hermitage, 2006), 133.

15 Ard & Makadon. (2011).Addressing Intimate Partner Violence in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Patients. Journal of General Internal Medicine, 26:8, 930-933.

16 Zubenko, Soloff, & Schulz (1987). Sexual practices among patients with borderline personality disorder. The American Journal of Psychiatry, 144(6), 748-752, and developed further in Reich & Zanarini (2008).Sexual Orientation and Relationship Choice in Borderline Personality Disorder over Ten Years of Prospective Follow-up. Journal of Personality Disorder, 22(6), 564-572.

17 G. Hagger-Johnson ‘Personality, Individual Differences, and LGB Psychology,’ in Clark and Peel (eds) Out in Psychology: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Queer Perspectives (Chichester: Wiley, 2007), p. 83.

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Goolag Sucks
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Fantastic series. Thank you for writing it, I enjoyed it.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Just finished reading all the episodes. Tour de Force.

Le Fox
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Pt. 2 — Hirschfeld’s criticism and hated of Christianity is compared to Freud, even though Freud was nowhere near as violent as Hirschfeld was. Camille Paglia has referenced the self-harming practices in Christianity, and it does have some parallels to BDSM culture, albeit without the sexual aspect. Hirschfeld, we must remember, was raped as a young teenager, and it is obvious his hatred of traditional mores – Jewish and Christian – stem from that. Moll repeatedly criticized him; he was by no means a lone wolf. “Hirschfeld, described by Mancini as “cosmopolitan to the core,” essentially created the first homosexual… Read more »
Le Fox
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TL;DR, again: The beginning paragraph runs with Jews being hypocritical: what they preach to themselves is different from what they preach to others; basically, ‘Gay for thee but not for me.’ “As Jews flooded the medical and scientific professions in the late 19th century, they brought with them the desire to interrupt the European self-conversation about race, biology, and related subjects. One of these was homosexuality. In this area, and for the last century or more, Jewish activists have ‘distinguished’ themselves by normalizing and promoting homosexuality, and by campaigning for cultural and legal changes on behalf of homosexuals.” Which ones?… Read more »
zeitgeist2012
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I identify these devils as the cultural marxist Zionist/Jesuit/islamic unholy trinity working together to rob, supplant, and destroy white christian western civilization. We can’t let these new age inquisitors control the truth or the message like they are currently trying to do with the anti-white christian African and Hispanic dominated national sport teams. Homosexuals are not like me our you…they are unnatural self-eradicating and self-mutilating sexual perverts. A mental disorder in spite of the cultural marxist Jew shrinks pushing their phony anti-white christian mental science on the world. Ever hear of the counter reformation, Spanish Inquisition, crypto-Jew Jesuits/crypto-Jew Muslim hordes… Read more »
Le Fox
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“I identify these devils as the cultural marxist Zionist/Jesuit/islamic unholy trinity working together to rob, supplant, and destroy white christian western civilization. We can’t let these new age inquisitors control the truth or the message like they are currently trying to do with the anti-white christian African and Hispanic dominated national sport teams.” – OK, you don’t want the truth supplanted. That is why you are preaching to an echo chamber, and clearly, are not very experienced in this argument. Luckily, I am here to tell you. The Jesuits aren’t Jews; they are Christians, and are by far one of… Read more »
zeitgeist2012
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That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Just Google what I said and look past the ZioJesuit propaganda like wikipedia…What I said is true and accurate…

https://2012zt.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/multicultural-genocide-of-white-protestant-america/

Le Fox
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So, your source is a blogpost with other blogs in it with opinions on this or that, and no hardcore evidence backing them up? One of them even says Margaret Sanger was Jewish, when she was Irish.

Unless, of course, you mean this, from a progressive/Leftist website: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22915-how-jews-brought-america-to-the-tipping-point-on-marriage-equality-lessons-for-the-next-social-justice-issues

What you say is neither true nor accurate. It’s a mish-mash of claims and sensationalism.

zeitgeist2012
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Many of the blog spots I use are very accurate and informative way above ZioJesuit kabbalist anti-white christian cultural marxist media. You should take the time to read and learn before spouting rhetoric…

Le Fox
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Says the guy who knew nothing about the Counter Reformation or the Inquisition, and proceeds to lecture me with blog posts instead of primary sources.

Yap, yap yap, muh Marxism. About as whiny as a Jew.

zeitgeist2012
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Alt Right: The Lion…Pay attention whitey who is getting fat sitting on the couch addicted to TV or chasing drugs and alcohol. Getting government paychecks to kill off your own kindred? Brother fighting brothers for minority supremacy?

Le Fox
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You know, I can be random too.

zeitgeist2012
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Le Fox
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I’m sorry about your meth addiction.

zeitgeist2012
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Suck my left nut and make the right one jealous little bitch…

Le Fox
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Oh my, putting that Aryan IQ to work!

zeitgeist2012
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I feel froggy at times when I deal with freaky women…lol…

Le Fox
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Can’t backtrack now. Acting random in order to avoid criticism is what Aspie kids do.

zeitgeist2012
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Random hell…What criticism…lol…

Andrew Joyce
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Absurdiness Brown
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Alright. You’ve convinced me. By revealing my own ignorance on this issue to me. Not all gay men are monsters but I agree that the Alt-Right should not have within its ranks those who engage in this behaviour or would enable it.

Those who would want to see themselves as Alt-Right but are gay should still be grateful of the gift of freedom present in the West and the cultural attitude of not wanting to throw them of rooftops. They can at least be rational supporters of the West, and cease white anting it.

Sam Cru
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Homosexuality is an amplification of the worst male vices and the worst female vices.

zeitgeist2012
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Spot on…

zeitgeist2012
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I agree with this line of thought and principle on the perverse.

Manuel_Venator
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Heinrich Himmler is now considered an authority for the Altright? That quote from Hans Blüher seems false to me and does not reflect his actual Männerbund theory, which is far more complex (O’Meara got it wrong as well, but next to none original texts was ever translated) and was very influential during that time. It’s probably a misquotation or reframing from Der Stürmer (not really a reliable source). Blüher was one of the most remarkable thinkers of the Conservative Revolution, as emphasized by Armin Mohler. He also was in heavy opposition to Hirschfeld et al.

genocidal_maniac
Guest

Fascinating on the subject of ancient Germanic practices.

I work in an organization where a homosexual man is in a leadership position. His “partner” is a timid little man who is very shy and whose legs are always close together like he is holding in a piss.

Luckily, I do not directly interact with him, but others I know who have to work with him despise him.

So I find the part about pychopathy interesting. This article will take some time for me to digest.

form
Guest

Hehe! Or you could have scrapped this ponderous rant, and just screeched “I HATE FAAAAAAGS!” Omg! I can’t WAIT until some of you are outed! Plenty of folks already believe Spencer is gay! I bet he’ll be the first alt-righter to get publicly exposed by one of his former boyfriends. And, then WTF will you do???

Lars Helmut
Guest

I smell a rat. I doubt any of the gays who support the cause are flamers, and they’re going to all be white. Some may even be married – to women. Everything about the article doesn’t make any sense: why it’s been published at a time when many have left the alt-right; what it will achieve in the struggle against white genocide. Even many of the early revisionists and ethno-nationalist figures were gays. Something fishy’s up here and it probably echoes. This Andrew Joyce character is probably white like Tara McCarthy and Weev are white.

Jonathan Walsh
Guest

You’re probably a faggot, go be subversive elsewhere.

Lars Helmut
Guest
The author of this article is not concerned with white genocide. Who’s responsible for mass immigration? Gays? For our nations being flooded with armies of non-white fighters? Gays? Is it gays “taking the knee”? Are gays mugging your sons, mothers, wives, sisters, dads? This is all about smashing up the only community that is openly talking about who’s behind all this. You can slag the Muslims, the gays, the blacks, the Mexicans, the trannies, and all the rest of them off until the cows come home, and nothing will happen to you; slag off one particular group, which is the… Read more »
Jonathan Walsh
Guest

You are a complete faggot because nobody else with a modicum of common sense likes or wants to be around them. Did you read the article? Did you read the James O’Meara bit? This is the kind of stuff they do. They push their degeneracy on anyone else and lower the quality and value of life, romance and sex in society.

No serious Nationalist ever supported faggotry.

Lars Helmut
Guest
Do you understand that most of our nations are fast approaching a situation where whites are minorities? Either you’re white like Jared Kushner: not white, in which case you don’t give a fuck, or you’re a closet case, or you’re just too stupid to realise what’s really going on here. To be honest, I wouldn’t mind idiots like you splintering off, because if you are actually white, you’ve got to be the silliest cunts I’ve come across to date. And anyway, just a quick look at (((Joyce’s))) list of sources will tell you where he finds the kind of “education”… Read more »
craicher
Guest

White like a Jared Kushner? Jewdar is beeping here.

Jonathan Walsh
Guest

And James J O’Meara’s faggot book is not only full of lies but promotes homosexuality. Have you even looked into it? Or maybe you’re willing to overlook it to try and push your homosexual subversion.

Jonathan Walsh
Guest

Homosexuals in no way are helping White Nations. They’re white in name only, they contribute nothing positive to the White race and only bring degeneracy. You’re going to be shipped back to France faggot once we win.

Lars Helmut
Guest
First off, I don’t live in your joke of a country, I’m English. Second, you’re absolutely clueless about how the world really works. I think you’re just ignorant, whereas I think the author of the article has a spurious agenda. It’s not good enough to say “you’ll learn,” because fools like you are ruining something good by dancing to the enemy’s tune. You’re being controlled and manipulated like SJWs are. And even if I were gay, which as I’ve already told you I’m not, what the fuck business would it be of yours what I’d do in my private life?… Read more »
LyovMyshkin
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I’d just like to say that this has been an excellent series and a very important one. I think one of the most important ideas that needs to be pushed against is the idea that homosexuality is some essential, immutable condition. It is, from what I can ascertain, better understood as a compulsive orientation that arises out of a complex interaction of social and biological factors. Spiritual as well IMO but let’s leave that for another time. I tend to compare it more to a fetish. For instance, is anyone with a foot fetish ‘born that way’? Common sense dictates… Read more »
JohnEngelman
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I acknowledge a visceral distaste for homosexuality. I acknowledge that homosexuals are probably more likely to be child abusers than heterosexuals.

Nevertheless, I see no reason to try to change a homosexual into a heterosexual. It never seems to work. There are enough people on this planet already. Why should we encourage homosexuals to have children?

LyovMyshkin
Guest

I’m not talking about some kind of goofy camp where we take gay people try to convert them. I’m saying that there is a rationality to sexuality like there is to everything else and homosexuality is a violation of that Logos — much like sexual attraction to a show, a car or an animal is.

Theodora Angelina
Guest
I wonder if Andrew Joyce will delete another of my comments here. I tend to compare it more to a fetish. For instance, is anyone with a foot fetish ‘born that way’? Here are some photos of Lotus shoes for bound-feet I took recently at the Redpath Museum in Montréal. Bound-feet were considered erotic and foot-binding endured as a practice in China for more than a thousand years. Here are some photos of high-heels, the first from the 18th c. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cuu9jFS5xnY/TMo0VgL6XWI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/q-wmaTQZeDg/s1600/stilettos.jpg I can’t speak to whether some one person is born with a foot fetish, but I think this constitutes… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Fetish is crippling.

Theodora Angelina
Guest

In some capacity, yes. Alternatively, it’s the likely origin of specialisation.

LyovMyshkin
Guest

Hey, TA. Thanks for those. I agree. And to your point about fetishization it’s true that the mind can be aroused by anything. Cars, food, even weather. The list is absolutely endless. To clarify my point I see these orientations as nothing essential or meaningful. No one is bound by them I guess is my point. Or, at least, you’re only as bound to them as you choose to be.

Man’s passions forging his fetters and such.

zeitgeist2012
Guest

You sure are a freak for sure. Sorry you have to do all that sexual theatrics just to get off. This what happens when sexual gymnastics replaces good ole sober love making…

Andrew Joyce
Guest

Excellent remarks, and some very interesting ideas put forth. Thank you.

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TrashGreen
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Gubbler Chechenova
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Homos shouldn’t lead the movement, but if homos want to contribute ideas, images, and sounds to the movement, we should let them. Renaissance would have been poorer without contribution of Homo artists. Much of Western Literature wouldn’t exist if homos hadn’t been allowed to publish. Greek art and civilization owed much to homo thinkers and artists. One of Japan’s most potent patriots was Yukio MIshima, a homo and a great author. One of the great anti-communists was the homosexual Whittaker Chambers. Homosexuality is a deviance, and it cannot be part of Core Values. However, eccentric people have a strange and… Read more »
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Pepito Passado
Guest

Just give em the Gay Cure

unpaidpundit
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Andrew Joyce is like the boy with his finger in the dike (no pun intended) hoping to hold back cultural change. Studies have shown that straight people who know gay people personally are less likely to have anti-gay feelings. There are now millions of straight, white people who have interacted with openly gay people, and feel that there is no reason for gays to re-enter the closet. Joyce, and those who share his philosophy on sexual issues, are not going to change their minds. Now, in contrast, I am pretty sure that most white people become more racist after contact… Read more »
JohnEngelman
Guest

It sounds like a cliche, but some of my best friends have been homosexuals. Homosexuals tend to have characteristics I find attractive. They tend to be intelligent and cultivated. Nevertheless, what defines them is repulsive to me.

My friendships with homosexuals lasted because they did not tell me about their sex lives, and I did not express my feelings about homosexuality.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

You miss the point. Depressing.

An entire generation of fags died when AIDS culled them in the late 80s and early 90s. If you are around 40-50 you saw them die in front of your eyes. Nature passed judgement.

LyovMyshkin
Guest
Oh wow! Did these studies also take into account the massive social consequences for not giving the correct answer? Like the effect we often see with support for right wing political movements at the polls and the ballot? What was the political orientation of the psychologists involved? Has the study been replicated? Also, were the subjects exposed to more information about homosexuality or was it mere personal contact? Also, did that contact with the homosexual include observing them at, say, a mass orgy? Also, do you think the same result would be observed if the subject was exposed to the… Read more »
Daniel Friberg
Guest

“Studies have shown that straight people who know gay people personally are less likely to have anti-gay feelings.”

According to recent studies, for many people within the alt-right who’ve interacted with one of the individuals mentioned in this article, it has had the exact opposite effect. 😀

craicher
Guest

No really. Let them be around the homos long enough and they start to see the hedonism, the destruction, the vanity, the pride and everything else and will eventually get disgusted by them. You are talking about 20 year olds who have not lived long enough to understand.

I worked in the service industry (full of homos) while going through college and have seen all this first hand.

Red Ice has an interview with a woman raised by homo father. You should listen, take the red pill.

The acceptance of homos is a passing phase of youth.

FinMin Taylor Swift
Guest

Burning a degenerate library would be a good PR move.

Patrick Johnston
Guest
I posted a few comments yesterday and have been following the site since it started but never really had much cause to comment so I didn’t. You can read up a little about my journey into the Alt-Right which probably mirrors that of most young guys. I had hoped it would provide the sort of community that would be good to have around as I started a family. These three pointlessly divisive essays really did peal back the proverbial carpet and the dross beneath is dark and disturbing. Who the heck would want to bring a child up influenced by… Read more »
Mikael Jackson
Guest
The WN 1.0 larpers should be shamed, they’re the same people who showed up at the Charlottesville rallies with swastikas and hoods. The alt-right has to project an image more like the pre-rally torch march if it wants to move forward instead of back. Honestly these three articles were something I’d expect from Anglin’s site instead of altright.coms. This reaction is precisely why they shouldn’t have been posted. Plenty of people will feel the same way. There was a better way to say all of this, and it was a shame they didn’t take it and instead went the provocative,… Read more »
Cornelius
Guest
Dealing with the White Nationalist world for close to two decades, I’ve often found that there are very few missteps or accidental strategic decisions which result in unforeseen blowback and negative consequences. I find it hard to believe that someone thought this was a great idea and the drama was just a consequence of implementing a greater strategy. To the contrary, creating drama was THE strategy. Think about it for a minute…. Stormfront was flushed in the blink of an eye after two decades. Daily Stormer was confined to the bowels of the Internet. Other websites have been seized and… Read more »
Nova Morium
Guest

Great Read, Mr. Joyce……

Smart, Wise Heterosexual Man…….

We’re lucky to have you around………

FACT….

Crud Bonemeal
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John Partridge
Guest

You’ve got me regardless

Riopel
Guest

Would it kill you to use White or European instead of “non-jews?”

Fucking hell, even Alt Righters just don’t get it.

David Webb
Guest
I’d be interested in Richard Spencer’s views on this, but he seems only intermittently active in politics. As I’ve pointed out on Gab a number of times, he surfaces one every four or five weeks, leaving AltRight.com to Vincent Law, who could well lay claim to being the real leader of the AltRight. Spencer has on a number of occasions implied that he is not exercised by the gay issue, and that he wants to create a modern AltRight and not a Nazi retread. Having seen Greg Johnson’s behaviour I agree that this man seems prone to hissy fits, and… Read more »
form
Guest

Dude, Spencer is a HOMO! Just say it!!!

unpaidpundit
Guest
Furthermore, homosexuality occurs in all races. Perhaps the reason homosexuality evolved was to put the brakes on human reproduction, thereby preventing overpopulation within a society. The particularly censorious attitude towards homosexuality in the West did enter from the Old Testament. Homosexuality exists in Japan, where it was depicted in Feudal era art, just as it appeared in the art of the ancient Greeks and Romans. Non-native religions were not allowed to take hold in Japan, (at least after Buddhism made its way to the country) so I understand that modern Japanese still do not see homosexuality as a moral issue,… Read more »
craicher
Guest

Misinformation from SPECTRE.

Absurdiness Brown
Guest

*grabs popcorn*

Dark Construct
Guest

It’s also important to note that while they have tolerated homosexuality, they haven’t allowed homosexual degeneracy to spread. Unfortunately they have recently started having pride parades, but even their pride parades aren’t degenerate like they are in the west.

Lothar von Trotha
Guest
It’s pretty easy to just say “The agendas of neither Milo nor those Pakistanis represent what I want to see in my nation.” Milo is a media hound who stands for little but enriching himself by vague references to “free speech” and against “SJW’s,” his promotion of classical liberalism pushes a sort of individualism wherein one can’t set a racial or moral standard for a society because it encroaches on someone else’s freedom. Taken to its logical extent, one can’t prefer driving on one side of the road, can’t prefer any sort of standard whatsoever because everything is atomized and… Read more »
David Webb
Guest

“The agendas of neither Milo nor those Pakistanis represent what I want to see in my nation.” No: you don’t get to say that. Because the Alt Right is 1% of the population or less, and without allies they achieve nothing. So the choice not to ally with anyone is a choice to have a Paki/Chinese/Hispanic takeover. you can pretend you haven’t made that choice, but you have. That is why Andrew Joyce may be an SPLC plant, or is otherwise doing a good impression of one. Just like the man with the Nazi flag in Charlottesvile.

FinMin Taylor Swift
Guest

“You goyim need gays, to diversify your movement.”

Lothar von Trotha
Guest
Dr. Joyce has been writing excellent articles for the Occidental Observer for years, you’re doing yourself no favors by making such a ridiculous and wild accusation as that. Morris Dees, Richard Cohen, Mark Potok et al. would in no reality that has ever existed promote someone who has exposed the maleficence of the tribe in the way Dr. Joyce has, that was truly an outlandish remark. I do get to say that, because neither Milo nor the hypothetical Pakistanis represent what I or anyone here wants to see in our nation. What you probably meant to say is something like… Read more »
Oscar Madison
Guest

Look, would you rather have a non-reproducing gay couple in your street, or a couple of Pakistanis with 5 children instead? If you side with the straight Pakistanis – and the Muslims would approve of the death penalty for gay sex – then you have chosen national suicide already.

Why would I choose either?

Why would I need another counter culture full of fahgs and muzzys?

David Webb
Guest
Because the subcultures including what you term fags and muzzies are already in the US. White nationalists are not in the majority. And you need allies if you are to achieve anything at all quickly enough to stop the historic American nation becoming a minority. Be purist if you like in a Hitlerian sense -and 10 million Muslims will just walk in. That is what you will achieve. you think you’re in favour of America’s national survival? No. you’re a useful idiiot who is working for the decline. Possibly an SPLC plant just like the clown at Charlottesville with a… Read more »
Oscar Madison
Guest

Yes im a plant of the joos.

Projection detector triggered.

If I aint with you im a larping nazi.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Gays are 2% of the population.

They’re not important allies.

The defense of the historic American nation does not depend on coddling a tiny minority of old queers.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

Yep. Not at all worth alienating the kind of people who are already sympathetic to us, who will actually show up to our rallies and will actually fight alongside us. No gays allowed!

David Webb
Guest
I think it is quite significant that Richard Spencer and Andrew Joyce and the others have surrounded themselves with so many people who have basic cogitation problems. The gays are 2%, or in my view less, of the population. I read 1.4% somewhere and 1.8% in another source. The gay proportion of the population at large may not be statistically significant to appeal to. But we are talking about whether to allow highly moitivated and intelligent white advocates who happen to be gay to take part in the counterculture. The fact that gays at large are 2% does not mean… Read more »
Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Get ready for the rise of ROY MOORE NATIONALISM

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/27/the-rise-of-senator-roy-moore/

We’re going to have a US senator who openly brandishes firearms at
political rallies, who despises the SPLC who had him removed from the
Alabama Supreme Court, who believes Christianity should inform our
government, who has the backbone to defy federal judges, who bans
cigarettes, drinking and profanity at his events and who believes
homosexuality should be illegal. Aside from openly endorsing Alabama’s
secession, it doesn’t get anymore based than that in American politics.

Lothar von Trotha
Guest
It’s a tough spot. We could a) reach out to gays because they’re threatened by Muslims, or b) reach out to Muslims because they don’t like gays. These sorts of shitty choices exist all across the spectrum, with all of them forcing us to concede one important point to focus on another, when we don’t want a wholesale LQBTQII+ society devoid of Muslims any more than a society of towelheads, devoid of gays. Both options are even worse than our present situation, as many compromises end up being, because you lose any legitimacy in standing what you actually stand for… Read more »
Cornelius
Guest
Homosexuals have always been contained within White Western society. Muslims have not. White homosexuals and all the current flavors of sexual orientation and gender identity—even though they are confused and unstable—still have a biological connection to the Western world. They usually have a biological link to someone who is heterosexual, White and even pro-White. That link can often be used to find amicable solutions. Muslims generally don’t have this link. You’re completely missing the point of the argument. How many enemies can you simultaneously fight before it becomes a numerical impossibility to protect and preserve what you claim to be… Read more »
Lothar von Trotha
Guest
I’m not missing the point, I’m just suggesting that if he thinks ceding ground on something we genuinely believe in, because the gays will somehow bring some big fruity legions that will provide significant assistance in vanquishing our enemies is going to happen, well….it isn’t. Things are looking pretty shitty either way, I would say that sticking to your guns makes the most sense if making “alliances” with groups like gays, which most of them would not agree to, isn’t going to do a goddamn thing to restore traditional gender roles or remove kebab or remove watermelon anyway. As I… Read more »
iemand
Guest
Do you have any idea how many people are getting sick and tired of the lgbt+ community? do you have any idea how many people are getting sick and tired of multiculturalism? Do you have any idea of how many people are getting sick and tired of anti-white propaganda? Do you have any idea how many people are getting sick and tired of the rampant degeneracy in our Western societies? THOSE PEOPLE are the ones the alt right needs to reach out too, those are the ones the alt right needs to ally with. Not the degenerate homosexual multicultural hordes… Read more »
David Webb
Guest

I am sick of LGBT propaganda too – and I detest the lGBT and LGBTQ words. I don’t think the AltRight can accept anyone in its ranks who wants to see the pro-gay propaganda continue. But private behaviour? Come on!

FinMin Taylor Swift
Guest

Private behavior has the annoying habit of becoming public under the circumstances of blackmail and secret unseen cabals to the mutual benefit of degenerate subcultures. You make no argument anyone hasn’t seen before.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

I’m a threat to this movement because I drew attention to the promotion of pederasty within the movement.

I’m not sure we’re in the same movement David.

Dark Construct
Guest
You’re focusing on something that is a side issue, do we really need to give the left one more thing to make us look less attractive? Like it or not gays are always going to be part of our race in a small minority, what would you propose we do with them? Execute them because it offends your god? We should be focusing on racial issues, not on people’s sexuality. I would agree that male homosexuality isn’t healthy in comparison to heterosexuality, but as long as it isn’t promoted and people in the movement of that persuasion aren’t promoting it,… Read more »
craicher
Guest
The penalty for sodomy and pederasty in Medieval Sweden (I believe it was called triple whore) was death. Same for bestiality (tidelag). How many were tried and convicted? ZERO. Why? Because nobody did it. And that is according to a left wing activist Swedish historical fiction novel writer Jan Guillou. Even he had to admit that it is not possible that it existed and no one was ever caught or tried (imagine how little to none at all privacy one had back then). So no, homos and pederast will not always be with us. And once the pederasts are given… Read more »
Dark Construct
Guest

I’m definitely not defending pederasty.

unpaidpundit
Guest
In recent decades, “gay ghettos” (with “ghetto” not having the implication of poverty) have tended to develop in all major Western cities. At this point, many of these neighborhoods are no longer particularly gay because of increasing real estate prices. Greenwich Village in New York, for instance, used to be a gay ghetto. I have never heard of law enforcement targeting a gay ghetto as a nest of pederasty. If there truly were a necessary link between homosexuality and pederasty, then straight families would fear to take their children into gay neighborhoods. Obviously affluent straight families have displaced gays in… Read more »
David Webb
Guest

My views on gayness, written for the UK Liberarian Alliance can be read at https://misesuk.org/2015/04/23/what-does-it-mean-to-be-gay/ and at http://www.libertarian.co.uk/?q=node/713

craicher
Guest

A libtardian. Look Mr Webb we do not in any way believe in Jewish libtardianism. Got it?

Andrew Joyce
Guest

Ah I see. You’re a libertarian. We are in different movements then, or at least come from radically different ideological backgrounds. Jedem das seine.

David Webb
Guest
Well the Libertarian Alliance took a strong anti-immigration and anti-multi-culturalism line, or at least let me write dozens of articles for them in that vein. Now it has become Mises UK, I think they may have dropped much of the racial/cultural stuff, opting for boring articles on tax instead. In any case, you don’t get to declaim on whether I am AltRight or not, as there is no such membership organisation. I could just as easily see you as a SPLC plant, designed to keep the AltRight linked to bizarre neo-Nazi theories and preventing a modern and appropriate form of… Read more »
iemand
Guest

Jesus christ, the Jews are responsible and you want to ally with with Jews, how thick can you be?

(first two minutes)

(start from 2:25)

(first 30 seconds)

(watch from 6:00 till 7:40)

(Watch till 2:40)

(start from 2:00)

(Watch till 4:08)

(Best chess player ever and part Jew himself)

Albionic American
Guest

Speaking of Romans and homosexuality:

This restored scene in Stanley Kubrick’s movie Spartacus portrays homosexuality as the practice of brutal men who want to humiliate their inferiors.

Jaded Diaspora
Guest
Those who argue in favor of accepting homosexuals — whether they want to believe it or not — owe their arguments to a cultural context that is actively hostile to our people. Had the Alt-right movement taken place earlier — even as short as twenty years ago — the homosexual question would not be nearly as controversial in our ranks. If we had dissenters at all, they would be few, or they would be silent. As recently as the 1990s there was much less expectation that homosexuality would, or even should be, accepted. While the narratives of homosexual acceptance were… Read more »
Absurdiness Brown
Guest

There has, indeed, been an acceleration.

Albionic American
Guest

The late Oliver Sacks reportedly lived sexually abstinent for decades because his Orthodox Jewish parents shamed him about his homosexual disorder.

For some reason no one wants to talk about the kind of example he set for gay men in general, and not just for gay Jews.

form
Guest

He did that to protect his CAREER, Albionic. Today, nobody has to stay closeted, in order to work.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

This is the best and most astute comment to any part of this essay.

kaarekazai
Guest

Is this the home alone day for the kids at altright.com? Banning people for arguing against you when you your self go totally out of line?

Are there any grownups here? This is the way to totally destroy this brand. We are all “right wing extremists” here. Why go totally crazy just for getting some reasonable arguments for a litle bitt of moderation?

craicher
Guest

We are not a brand of shoes or fast food; we are a movement and we seek to rule; thus, we will remove those, like homo/pedos, who subvert and destroy us and our people.

Cornelius
Guest
Since you’re keen on the idea of removing dissent and ruling over others, then I’ll assume you have no problem when those with more money and clout(and a stronger brand) decide that removing your dissent from the Internet and destroying your ability to make money and provide for your family is just part of a process for them to keep power. I swear it’s almost like you’re daring someone to deep-six you and this website. You’re just a screen name who boasts about ruling over others and fantasizing about the Day of the Rope. I doubt you have much in… Read more »
craicher
Guest
That is what those you speak of already do. And in many nations our right to expression and organization is already limited thus our very right to exist is threatened. Therefore, yes, once we take power we return the favor in kind. I’ll speak for myself, I don’t advocate for a liberal/libertarian new order and I believe most of us here agree. The Day of the Rope, the Camps, the Tribunal is rhetorical yet if all things continue as (((they))) plan then it is inevitable. I am not making personal threats to anyone yet looking into my crystal ball. May… Read more »
Aville Advocate
Guest

What’s the gameplan when the alt-right goes from movement to ethnostate and those beautiful white men and women keep having beautiful white babies and, a few years down the road, Little Adolf wants to play dress-up and has zero interest in fishing? Won’t be any Jews around to blame it on. You just gonna “remove” him from the population?

craicher
Guest

You mean the code of the warrior as we will no longer use infantile relic terms from before the Revolution like game plan. After the Revolution, the Day of the Rope, the Tribunal, The Great Purge and the Cleansing Time in that order, this will only be know in museums where we teach of the evils when ZOG ruled the world.

Aville Advocate
Guest

Uh huh. My very honest question about what would happen to gay white children born in the alt-right ethnostate gets deleted? No contingency for that 100% certainty. Got it.

David Webb
Guest

Good comment, Kaarekazai. My thoughts entirely too.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

We’ve tolerated spam that doesn’t address the article for more than two days, and given warnings. The spammers continued with the usual nonsense “you’re christcucks, boomer closet queers etc.” Or entirely irrelevant comments, homo apologetics, or simple trolling. This is a final warning. Contribute something constructive, leave, or get banned.

kaarekazai
Guest

I replied to your comment with your “6 commandments” and the 6. of them that i find totally destructive for our wider cause.

Will you debate or will you just delite all the followers of this sight?

Do you by the way think that it is ok for people to threaten fellow alt-righters with the gallows here on this tread?

Andrew Joyce
Guest

If you find it destructive to our cause to ask homosexuals to stop promoting their condition as normal or superior then you aren’t part of our cause in the first place. Final warning.

Tay
Guest
“When Europeans began to legalize both birth control and abortion 40 years ago, a few years after Roe vs. Wade (1973), the Catholic Church warned of the risk of Europe entering into a “morbid civilization.” This, of course, is the same Catholic Church likely to be denounced as “Judaic” by James O’Meara and his sponsors. In truth, and as someone raised in a Protestant home, I must concede that had the Catholic Church had more power to enforce its doctrine, Europe would still be flourishing demographically, and a mass Muslim invasion would be nothing but a nightmare never to come… Read more »
Albionic American
Guest
I liked Andrew Joyce’s discussion on one Alt Right podcast I listened to about the forgotten legacy of European folktales about Jews. These stories, which often portrayed Jews as abductors of white children for human sacrifices, show up all over medieval Europe for some mysterious reason, and they clearly had the function of warning white Europeans not to have any dealings with Jews. Jews probably appear in other guises as supernatural characters who endanger white children, like Rumpelstiltskin, the Pied Piper, the wolf in Little Red Riding-Hood and the witch in Hansel and Gretel. I have to wonder if the… Read more »
LyovMyshkin
Guest

My nephew and niece have a lot of modern children’s books and it’s amazing how often the theme is ‘Trust the stranger’ or ‘The scary monster down the way is actually cuddly and pretending don’t judge him’ or even ‘Never judge something by its appearance no matter how frightening it is’.

The cultural rot goes so deep.

JohnEngelman
Guest

What you say is true about the cultural rot.

My parents told me to beware of strangers.

LyovMyshkin
Guest

It’s good advice. Hey BTW dude I know we’re going at it over on the other thread but I genuinely don’t have anything against you. Just like a good debate and we genuinely disagree. Hope you’re enjoying it as much as I am.

Goblin
Guest

He’s probably on the verge of a stroke.

Goblin
Guest

Mr Myshkin:
I had to come down here, far from Bond turf to thank you and express my admiration.

You did yeoman’s work on the hebrew lynch mob that infests that chan.

You left them in complete disarray.

Well done, my friend

and Thanks !

LyovMyshkin
Guest

Ha! Was fun. Good post. Stirred the pot. 🙂

Copyright101
Guest

‘Celebrating difference’ is practically a universal theme in children’s books, films, TV now.

Brutus of troy
Guest

great stuff, time to kick out the fags

LiddyLiberty
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I am not a very religious person. If anything, I am more of a Deist, following the thoughts of Voltaire. Something in me believes there is a God, but I don’t think he involves himself with the affairs of humanity, much less in the sexual morality, or immorality, of any one or two particular individuals. Thus, I never agreed with Christians who said homosexuals were immoral, just as I never agreed that masturbation or pre-marital sex was immoral. I have, however, changed my mind on homosexuals. Don’t get me wrong. It is not because of their sexual orientation. It is… Read more »
Albionic American
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The blogger agnostic argues that we can see male homosexuality as a product of boys who stop developing emotionally at the girls-are-yucky stage, though they continue to mature sexually and intellectually. Just look at how boys lack self-control regarding candy, for example; they need adults to discipline them for their own good. If you gave a five-year-old boy testosterone and access to alcohol and other recreational drugs, you would get a male homosexual.

Lurker
Guest

We need to come up with a new term for the pro-homo wing of the AltRight embodied by CC & company. Any suggestions? “Fag-Right” is too obvious.

craicher
Guest

Or Corhhole Creaming Right.

craicher
Guest

Or Crap Crammer Right.

craicher
Guest

Or Cornholing Cocks Publishing.

craicher
Guest

Or maybe Crooked Cock Publishing. As in not “straight”. Or Corrupted Cock Publishing. Or Creepy Cocks Publishing.

Celestial Time
Guest

Suicidal is the man who, stranded on a desolate and slowly sinking island, goes out of his way to burn bridges to the civilized world.

I have a lot of terms for those types of people, but I don’t think you’re gonna like any of them.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

By standing for something you inevitably burn bridges with some people and create new bridges with others.

Defending
and promoting a positive vision of a healthy white society will
only expand the reach and relevance of the Alt-Right.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

You’re heading rapidly for a ban if you keep trolling instead of addressing the content of the article.

Celestial Time
Guest

Case in point.

I don’t see how I’ve not addressed the contents of this article when the underlying premise of the article is to attack homosexuals and fantasize about attaining the power needed to pass laws and punishments for those not adhering to your regurgitated mantras.

craicher
Guest

Counter Cunt Right.

Iskalla
Guest

There is no conclusion here. Are you proposing we aim to change our culture and attitude towards homosexuality, or that we persecute, criminalise and imprison perceived ‘deviants’? I’m sympathetic towards the former, the latter not so much. I’m just not sure it works, having visited racially homogenous, stable countries that have never implemented these measures.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

My advice to homosexuals is this:

1. Keep your mouth shut. Don’t pretend you’re better than normal people with some “elitist cultural” nonsense. Something went wrong in the womb or your childhood. You are an evolutionary dead end.

2. Don’t aspire to leadership.

3. Don’t promote your condition as normal or superior.

4. Don’t attack fellow nationalists because their religion is hostile to your condition.

5. Stay away from our youths.

6. If caught violating any aspect of the above conditions expect to be dealt with harshly.

Celestial Time
Guest

Advice is what you give people to help them grow and achieve higher levels of productivity in their lives. I’m not getting that vibe. What you’re doing is simply fantasizing about attaining the power needed to shout out directives.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

You’re not totally wrong. I’d like more power as much as the next man. We’re here to struggle and fight for it after all.

craicher
Guest

No they will be laws just like the laws that our ancestors always gave us to protect children and society from criminally insane sexual deviants.

Celestial Time
Guest

Like I said, fantasizing about attaining the power needed to shout out directives. You’re gonna go from barely being able to support yourself and this movement to implementing laws? That’s one hell of a trick considering you tend to make a lot more enemies than allies.

craicher
Guest

After the Revolution which the likes of you will not fair well on the Day of the Rope.

kaarekazai
Guest

What are you talking about???

craicher
Guest

Figure it out.

kaarekazai
Guest

You delite that comment!!!

craicher
Guest

What?

Celestial Time
Guest

That sounds like a direct threat. You really shouldn’t be doing that kind of stuff.

If you’re ever in the Nashville area you can explain to me the intricacies of Revolution and my ultimate demise on the Day of the Rope. Let me know if you need gas money.

craicher
Guest

It is not. A statement that when we take our nations back the pedo/homos will be dealt with as it is fitting. Those that take the wrong side…the Rope.

You are not worth going to prison over. May we meet on the battlefield or the tribunal where you will answer for your crimes after the Revolution.

Celestial Time
Guest

Gas money….. do you need it?

craicher
Guest

I don’t understand that secret homospeak and am not interested in knowing.

Celestial Time
Guest

I’m married and have kids. Never had a homosexual relationship or contact. But I have been with two women more than a few times, so maybe that counts as my homosexual experience.

Again, do you need gas money to get to Nashville to personally explain to me the ultimate demise I will face when the big Revolution comes and I’m forced to atone for my sins on the Day of the Rope? I’m not good with Internet posturing. I much prefer face-to-face interactions when it comes to hashing out indifferences and misunderstandings.

craicher
Guest

Must be a Nashville jew. Like I said, you are not worth prison over but once the final breakdown of society happens and the war is on, I will be happy to meet you.

And I’d put money on it that you are not a Southerner.

Celestial Time
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Born and raised in TN. My parents were born and raised in TN. Half my grandparents and great grandparents were born in Tennessee, Alabama and Virginia.

If you’re this bad at betting, then I’m just gonna go ahead and assume you’ll need the gas money.

(((Shill)))
Guest

So I’ve been coming here since early this year, and I can say that this is the first time I’ve been truly disappointed with the comment section. These purity spiraling boomer faggots seriously need to sit back and ask themselves how they’ll grow this movement by attacking anyone they disagree with.

Zyzz
Guest

I’d rather we not make unnecessary enemies but I think Andrew presents a well thought out, heavily research(and cited) article.

I think we need to be able to form alliances with gays when appropriate but understand they are not us and we are not them.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

There are no purity spiraling boomers here.

There is a broad consensus among the younger, radical elements of the movement that the Alt-Right should promote healthy, adaptive behaviors among whites, not merely stand for “no blacks in my gay bathhouse nationalism”.

AltRightDOTcom is expressing an extremely uncontroversial point of view along those lines.

Some mysterious (lol we all know where they came from) homosexual internet defense force showed up to make a big stink about it and the regulars are arguing with them a little bit, but mostly just laughing at the whole thing.

Absurdiness Brown
Guest

WTAF? “No blacks in my gay bathhouse” is the last stand of implicit white identity.

MaxStirner
Guest

What? This comment section is full of clowns advocating killing or castrating of homos. It’s almost as if you want this whole project to fail…

Yeah, yeah, I get it. Young guys who wish to be perceived as more extreme than the next guy. A little bit like the Norwegian black metal scene.

Maybe it’s time for adults to set the rules in here, eh?

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Do you not understand how humans work?

You start off a negotiation by making your most outrageous demand, then work your way down to something reasonable.

People are expressing the fact that they are no longer willing to tolerate open homosexuality. And especially not within our movement.

But if you go back into the closet and stop trying to normalize it… and stay the FUCK away from children, they probably won’t actually throw you off buildings.

Zyzz
Guest

This 100%

They need to go back in the closet.

MaxStirner
Guest
I do what I can to convert people in my vicinity to the Altright. I am on your side. We have to be smart now. All depend on us being better persons than the left. So when I persuade people to e.g. visit this site, I don’t want them to see comments, endorsed by the mods, that advocate killing people “after the Revolution”. Why? Because of the human nature, as you might say. The potential supporters will simply turn away. It is not in our interest to let fanatic adolescents represent this movement, at least not officially. The mods should… Read more »
Absurdiness Brown
Guest

This is where gays should be grateful.

(((Shill)))
Guest

I love how you’ve watered down the argument of one side to “no blacks in my gay bathhouse.” Very classy. 👌🏻

craicher
Guest

What Boomer faggots are we talking about? Strange comment indeed.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

You’re obfuscating and muddying the waters. Do you believe that homosexuals should be styling themselves as “thought leaders,” or spokesmen for White Nationalism? Are these “boomer faggots” attacking “anyone they disagree with” or merely attacking the proponents and apologists for pederasty? Clarify your own thinking before posting, attacking and demeaning your movement brothers while preaching “unity.”

David Webb
Guest
Andrew Joyce, you constantly conflate homosexuality and pederasty, which are not the same thing. I’ll agree that most gay men like significantly younger men. And you also didn’t get into the fact in your article that one-third of victims of child abuse are boys, when gay men are 2% of society, which suggests gay men are 16 times more likely to commit child abuse. But still, pederasty is not the same thing as homosexuality. As I pointed out in my initial comment, gay men who try to take over nationalist organisations should expect to be rejected. E.g if Jack Donovan… Read more »
craicher
Guest

We are confronted will all the same evil that Weimar Germany was and thus there are many issues, all related, that we must address. We have a complete world view and are not a one trick pony.

David Webb
Guest
No. You are a no trick pony. You won’t achieve anything. It is easy for the media to paint you as Nazis and you’re failing to focus on the main issue. I have made it clear that public culture has to be family oriented, and that we can’t deal with gay rights, gay marriage or gay adoption. But this poking around in bedrooms can lead nowhere good. While nearly all gay men are lost to the cause, those who are motivated and are doing good work should not be told to p**** off, as long as they accept the primacy… Read more »
craicher
Guest

Right. A one issue movement is a movement. We are not in a position to influence policy as we are on the fringes but growing. What we can do is educate people to all of the issues that affect us. The article above and the two before it by Joyce is an excellent piece concerning an issue of great importance and totally related to the virus of the multicult that has infected our people and must be annihilated.

Keep bringing us more good medicine for this disease Mr. Joyce and one day we will have the cure.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

I don’t conflate homosexuality and pederasty. I provided evidence of the reliance, to a noticeable extent, of the former on the latter.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

One article diverts the whole energy of our movement? It seems to me that all of the panicking has been done on the homo side. You’ve lost your minds over it. All predictable though.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

Gays are irrelevant to our struggle. Their only about 2% of the population and only about 2% of gays are “on” our side. They cause more harm than their worth to us.

David Webb
Guest
I agree the raw numbers, as you say 2% of 2%, which sounds about right, are tiny. But as I stated in my first post, gay men are not normies. They are by definition not normies. That means the 2% of them that are on the Right are often prepared to say clearly what other people won’t say. Greg Johnson openly called in his NYT interview for a deportion of an entire ethnic group. I think maybe alienation from the mainstream produces a willingness among homosexuals to say “to hell with the Overton window”. In any case, a broad counter… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
Guest

I’m extremely skeptical of the big tent model as anyone who comes here regularly will tell you. 100 people on the same page, working towards the same goals, is more useful than 1000 people whose views are all over the place. Instead of fighting the enemy we end up fighting each other. If it was up to me all of the liberals who don’t like black people would be purged from the movement. Their reformers, not revolutionaries, and all they do is stand in our way. I would rather work with black nationalists than with them tbh.

kaarekazai
Guest

Exactly my point. Spott on!

Celestial Time
Guest

Isn’t the idea of a “thought leader” in this context an obfuscation? Are you talking about someone who actively and forcefully pushes the Homosexual Agenda or someone with the talent and skills to inform, educate and organize who just so happens to be homosexual?

Andrew Joyce
Guest

Not an obfuscation at all. I think we all know who I’m referring to, and it’s already been stated in the article what he’s published.

Celestial Time
Guest

So you wrote a 3-part article which was directed at one single person?

Greg has been writing and speaking up for pro-White interests for a long time. Many wannabe writers and “leaders” have wormed their way through the pro-White world in the past 10-20 years. I don’t always agree with what Greg writes, but I admire anyone who can do what he does for as long as he’s been doing it, and not implode and burn out from all the White Nationalist drama.

How long have you been doing this?

Andrew Joyce
Guest

I’ve been in or around this movement for 15 years, had my home raided and been arrested and thrown in jail for this cause. And not once did I publish pederastic trash.

Celestial Time
Guest

I know a lot of people that have had cops come to their homes and been arrested and thrown in jail. I’ve known guys that had their homes and businesses destroyed. I’ve known guys who were assaulted. I’ve known guys who were killed. I’ve known guys who killed. I’ve known guys who simply burned out from all the drama. I’ve seen what Greg has written over the years. I’ve never really paid attention to or seen anything you’ve written.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

Don’t worry. Many have. I’m quite happy for you to pass me by and continue with your Greg admiration. Also, your own reading habits have nothing to do with the content of the article.

Peter
Guest

Mr. Joyce, I would like to ask your opinion on the following questions: a man, given the choice, would he prefer to be homo or hetero? Would the majority of men prefer to be homo? Is being hetero for hetero men a sacrifice and they would rather be homo?

Andrew Joyce
Guest
There are a lot of “ifs” implied in these questions. The mental health statistics would suggest these questions are probably part of the mental troubles of homosexuals. But we are a movement for political change and not a therapy group. My advice to homosexuals is this: 1. Keep your mouth shut. Don’t pretend you’re better than normal people with some “elitist cultural” nonsense. Something went wrong in the womb or your childhood. You are an evolutionary dead end. 2. Don’t aspire to leadership. 3. Don’t promote your condition as normal or superior. 4. Don’t attack fellow nationalists because their religion… Read more »
kaarekazai
Guest
What power are you dreaming about so that you can dictate this? Realism man! Do you think that this kind of threats are going to give us normy support? You sound like these fringe Maoist/Leninist puritans we had in Scandinavia in the 70s. They came to nothing and are all old bitter men now. Why not just promote good traditionalist values? And save your rage to the deportations of migrants or the likely soon to come RAHOWA. I do not like this gay propaganda either but why go full retard on the issue? Your case is fragile. You know fragile… Read more »
Peter
Guest

Mr. Joyce, lamentable as it may be, but you are losing of my respect. I appreciate your work on jews but your performance here is subpar (all IMO).

Andrew Joyce
Guest

I’m heartbroken.

MaxStirner
Guest

Well, you should at least be a little bit concerned. Have you seen the comments in here, written by those who seem to support you? We are dealing with people who are in fierce competion over who’s is the most radical. People who wish to hang the homos “after the Revolution”.

Seriously, don’t you see the problem? I broadly agree on the homosexuality issue, but this is turning into an echo chamber for fanatics.

I have great hopes for the Altright, but I do see a threat from within. Maybe you are simply not up for this gargantuan task…

Игор
Guest

Someone put this link http://josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/ on one of the alt-right articles. It’s a bit disgusting, but good description of homosexual lifestyle.

Trevor Wilson
Guest
Better as you go on, and confidently discuss the topic. I definitely agree with that sub-heading. Pretty good, he understands the charlatan and doppelganger games (I am you, goyim, look how white I am, whites are terrrrrrible). Interesting to note the earliest mention of the third sex, and of its members being womanish homosexuals. Sadly, they weren’t just deviants, but also subversives. Makes me wish older terms of disparagement, or something like “wanton catamite” were revived. A good focus on the Jews despising ascetic Christianity, with its mastery over the flesh and rejection of hedonism. This battle continues to this… Read more »
Absurdiness Brown
Guest

All of this has really brought home exactly what a ragtag band of outcasts the NDSAP were and how they risked everything to try and save their people.

From Ohio
Guest

The Female Question next.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

Note that those objecting to the article number perhaps half a dozen, but together have contributed perhaps 100 comments or more to the three parts. This is precisely what I meant by the noisy homosexual clique. All very predictable.

zeitgeist2012
Guest

I hope my previous post was up to snuff for you…if it don’t get removed like so many?

Manuel_Venator
Guest

How about the even noisier two or three shills that are policing the comment section like purity squads and are aggressively outgrouping anyone who dares to object?

zeitgeist2012
Guest

Happens to me all the time my friend. I’m either too white or too christian in my beliefs and posts.

Aville Advocate
Guest

What is your contingency for gay children born into the white ethnostate that is the alt-right endgame? (HINT: Deleting this comment doesn’t answer the question.)

Strac5
Guest

I agree with you. Homosexuality is fundamentally inconsistent and incompatible with the alt-right’s philosophy and aims. They cannot be reconciled. I was and am sympathetic to genuinely pro-white gays, but saving ourselves and future whites is more important.

By the way, I admire your intellect. You are top notch. Thank you for all you do.

Nova Morium
Guest

I don’t mind……

Let them all come……..

They need to Hear the Truth……..

And they need to be Deconstructed……..

They need to Realize that they can NEVER Usurp this Movement…….

EVER……

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

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Mikael Jackson
Guest
I’d argue that MOST of the comments are objecting to how its being said, and the vitirol directed at like minded homosexuals that may or may not agree with the alt-right on… well, everything else. “You’re right but how you say it is counter-productive” is a perfectly legitimate counter-argument. It’s the same one leveled at people in the movement who insist on larping as klan members and nazis. “Yeah sure you might have good points, but no one’s going to listen to you if you talk like that or dress like that, and that hurts whatever point you’re trying to… Read more »
Sven Longshanks
Guest

Thankyou for writing these Andrew, something like this has been long overdue.

Brutus of troy
Guest

the gay mafia! same fags that had my youtube channel shut down…

craicher
Guest
The fag mafia is real. There will be one very rich old one and he will have a brood of younger ones that he gives jobs or just outright keeps as concubines. Wherever fags have money and power they bring in their own much like the jews, i.e. the mafia. Like a brood of vampires. And if you ever go to some event with the most wealthy and important people you will find fags swarming all over the place. Half of them seeming like they don’t work yet live a life of luxury and privilege. They have no place amongst… Read more »
Celestial Time
Guest

The irony of sliding down a slippery slope of predictable behaviors, while making it a point to claim that one particular thing is very predictable, is pretty much what I’ve come to expect from most of the intelligentsia brigade within the pro-White world.

GENX140
Guest

The main argument I hear each time from the alt right against homosexuality, is that it’s disgusting. Now try to visualize mr friberg naked fucking his gf. His ugly belly bumping against her ass. The sound of his moaning, with that deep, burp sounding voice. Now that’s disgusting. If most gays saw a video of that, it would turn them straight.
You think I’m being rude? That’s pretty much to the level of most anti gay comments on here.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

Careful, if you are not anti-gay enough for Vincent he will ban you.

GENX140
Guest

Dude, I just found the solution to the gay problem. Have friberg make some nude videos and everyone will change orientation.
You’ll thank me later guys.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

This is the internet and most of us have overdosed on porn years ago. One thing I discovered with the porn thing is that my wife turned out to be quite the kinky little thing. More than me and bet I’m not alone there. So, anyway, don’t need to see the video; my imagination already did it for me. Thanks anyway.

GENX140
Guest

If you’re straight, that video won’t change you, but it will make sure you’re not tempted by homosexuality. A bit like a vaccine.

GENX140
Guest

We should stop calling this the alt right because they think its some church where we have to follow every commandment. Friberg thinks he’s the pope and we need his benediction on everything we think and do.
Instead just call it White Nationalism and focus on saving our race.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Stop trying to reframe the discussion to “Christianity vs. Homo-tolerance”, faggot shills. And “Polar Girl”, stop trying to fool anyone in here that you are a real girl, even though you probably like to dress up like one.

Polar Girl
Guest

I would go a step further and give it a new name altogether that hasn’t been used by Stormfront Cucktians.

Substantially, it would need to be a movement that differentiates itself from Stormfront Cucktianity because it intends on actually achieving a different result.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Stop trying to reframe the discussion to “Christianity vs. Homo-tolerance”, faggot shills.

And “Polar Girl”, you are not fooling anyone in here that you are a real girl, even though you probably like to dress up like one.

kaarekazai
Guest
Hi Daniel. To me this is just a mystery. Can you explain? I personally de think homosexuality is repulsive and i do not at all want gay or lesbian couples to get help from IVF cliniques or surrogats to have children. I do not think that homosexuality should be equalizes with normal hetrosexual couples. And I am also disgusted by the liberal propaganda that “all types of families is normal” and that boundles sex with all its STDs and degeneracy is all good. But. Can you tell me. What do you think. Is homosexuality genetic/hormonal or is it learned behaviour?… Read more »
Celestial Time
Guest

Do you have proof that this commenter isn’t female?

Polar Girl
Guest

I’m not trying to frame it that way. I’ve posted months ago that the alt-right should be neutral towards homosexuality and opposed to Cucktianity but neutral towards Christians who aren’t a member of a cucked church.

I thought the pedo ad hominem was desperately grasping for straws but saying I am a man is lols. My point would be the same if I were so there is no incentive to lie about it.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

How the fuck would you know if Polar Girl is a “real” girl? And what the fuck difference would it make anyway? No wait wait… ping Polar Girl: Please post a full frontal hi def pix so we can decide what difference, at this point, does it make.

Polar Girl
Guest

I can’t say it enough. How do you keep doing the same Stormfront fail repeatedly and expect a different result? Text book example of insanity.

Whether gays marry or each other or go to ovens or something in between is irrelevant. What matters is the cognitive dissonance of merging yet another white racialist movement with Cucktianity and expecting a different result. Look at how that worked out for 1980s/1990s nazi skinheads who initially hostile to Cucktianity.

Joseph Curwen
Guest

You are starting to sound suspiciously similar to a paid shill promoting debate and division.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

I personally would never want to live in a white ethno-state that is pro-homosexuality and pro-atheist assholes. It is what it is.

Patriotic American
Guest

This basically sums up my feelings about atheists –

“What is your oath ?” – “I vow to you, Adolf Hitler, as Führer and chancellor of the German Reich loyalty and bravery. I vow to you and to the leaders, that you set for me, absolute allegiance, till death. So help me god !”
“So you believe in a god ?” – “Yes, I believe in a supreme being.”

“What do you think about a man who does not believe in a god ?” – “I think he is overbearing, megalomaniac and foolish; he is not adequate for our society.”

GENX140
Guest

Do you believe in santa too?

Patriotic American
Guest

No, but I believe that people like you are culturally and spiritually jewified.

Polar Girl
Guest

A white ehthno-state could be anti-gay and anti-atheist but it could not be pro-Cucktianity since that is cognitive dissonance beyond feminists supporting Islam.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

Apparently the scope of your historical worldview is 1960’s-present.

There isn’t going to be any kind of white ethnostate until whites abandon the degenerate modern culture that is heavily influenced by Jewish subverters. Faggotry and Atheism are two pillars of this culture and need to be chopped down.

Polar Girl
Guest

Um, Jesus Christ was a Jew but worshipping him is a way to rebel against Jews? Yeah, that makes sense. Lol.

Vincent Law
Guest

Modern day Judaism as we know it was born out of Talmudism, around the 4th century AD, when the oral tradition of the elders was codified.

Calling Jesus a modern-day Jews is incredibly misinformed.

Polar Girl
Guest

Every Cucktian thinks their people are the true and original Jews. Even Mormons have bizarre teachings about this.

Patriotic American
Guest

No educated person believes that. You are being dishonest and using a straw-man argument to support your irrational hatred of Christianity.

Vincent Law
Guest

No, otherwise they wouldn’t be funneling billions of dollars to Israel if they thought that they themselves were the Jews.

Polar Girl
Guest

We all funnel money to it whether we are willing or not.

Vincent Law
Guest

Christians don’t think they are Jews. Your point was incorrect. Your understanding of Christianity is thread-bare.

Patriotic American
Guest

Nailed it.

Patriotic American
Guest

Not only is it misinformed it is incredibly dishonest. The Jews killed Jesus because he condemned the ‘traditions of the scribes and the pharisees’, which is the Talmud, and called them out. To say his movement, which was anti-Jewish from it’s very inception, is Jewish is at best ignorant and at worst deceitful. He literally called Jews his enemies and children of the devil multiple times.

Oscar Madison
Guest

Jews had a choice, become Christians and follow jesus to the father, or remain Jews and gain death, they chose death and barabas.

Jews denied christ as messiah and everlasting life and remain as jews.

Jews to this day are revolutionaries against Christians, order, logos, and will remain as such until they are no more.

Alaric01
Guest

Fan of E. Michael Jones, I see?

Oscar Madison
Guest

Yes, a fan of the truth

Alaric01
Guest

I think he is great too, but I’m not entirely convinced by his thesis. It assumes Jew were good guys before Christ. There was plenty of classical anti-semitism.

Oscar Madison
Guest

There was no Catholic Church before christ, there may have been a few righteous Jews…a few

Patriotic American
Guest

Amen.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

Jesus Christ rebelled against the tribe, which is why they had him killed. He’s a martyr.

Patriotic American
Guest

Yes, and not only did they kill him, they sadistically tortured him to death in public and utterly humiliated him. They are beasts.

Polar Girl
Guest

Jews are lizards that don’t mind turning on each other. Look at Netanyahu versus Soros? You do realize that Nazi concentration camps had very few Nazis in them and that they were run by capo Jews whose job it was to keep other Jews in line.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

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Patriotic American
Guest

Great quote!

Patriotic American
Guest

Nobody here is interested in your promotion of pedophilia and homosexualism.

Polar Girl
Guest

Where did I even mention pedophilia? You are the one who thinks that Catholic priests who like boys as distantly related as possible or Mormons that like little girls as closely related as possible make good racial allies.

Patriotic American
Guest

You are defending counter currents, counter currents promotes pedophilia and uses the same arguments as NMBLA for the legalization and promotion of pedophilia, this can only mean that you fundamentally agree with their positions and the only people who would agree with such depraved filth are pedophiles.

As for your comment about Catholic priests, less than 1% of them did anything close to pedophilia, while over 50% of all cases of pedophilia involve sodomites, who make up less than 1% of the total population.

Polar Girl
Guest

The figure was closer to 6% of priests doing it and the rest knowing but doing nothing yet you are projecting defending NAMBLA onto me!

Patriotic American
Guest

You are defending Counter Currents which means that you are NMBLA as well because they are using the same exact arguments and you need to source that figure otherwise it can only be assumed that you are lying.

Polar Girl
Guest
There is a huge difference between defending and not taking positions on issues that have little or nothing to do with the primary purpose of a movement. I do have my personal beliefs about many issues that have little or nothing to do with white racialism but it would be a foolish strategy to make them a part of a single issue political movement. Nigel Farage had the wisdom to realize that and the discipline to maintain the course. For all I know, Farage may personally despise gays but was wise not to take a position on that issue for… Read more »
Patriotic American
Guest

I don’t agree at all. A political party must have and promote a world view. Anything short of this is a failure at worst and a short term fix at best.

Polar Girl
Guest

I didn’t know the alt-right was a political party. Please link to FEC registration.

Patriotic American
Guest

We will become one and LORD willing it will ban people like you from joining it.

Polar Girl
Guest

If I get banned from a kingdom of a Jew Lord conceived via an act of divine cuckoldry, I will be grateful.

Patriotic American
Guest

So will I, I won’t have to listen to your lies and whining for all eternity.

Vincent Law
Guest

No point in being hostile to Christians. You are confusing hostility with exasperation from WN’s to modern day cucked Christians.

Polar Girl
Guest

The Pope is demanding that Visegrad and the USA open its borders and his chief cuck, Peter Sutherland makes George Soros look like Steve Bannon. Oh speaking of Soros, he economically backs Alt-right denouncing Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention.

I have listed on here how many times that Cucktians are worse than leftists and often ended up with the most thumbs up of any comment in an article for many months now.

Sad that I know your customers better than you do.

Vincent Law
Guest

You didn’t address my point at all. You’re probably a delusional wicca/pagan/gaia worshiper who believes that female vikings were a real thing and hate Christianity because you associate it with the patriarchy and shaving.

Polar Girl
Guest

An Atheist actually. I’m not with “feminists” that support Islam anymore than I am with “White Nationalists” that support Cucktianity.

The sad era of cognitive dissonance virtue signaling. Worse than hypocrisy but hey, it is the current year.

Vincent Law
Guest

That last sentence probably made sense in your head, but I assure you, it made little sense and didn’t impress anyone.

Your hatred for Christians is bizarre. Most Alt-Righters want to bring them into the light, that’s all. We don’t hate them or the religion.

Polar Girl
Guest

Speak for yourself and know your site customers better. I often get the most comments and upvotes for calling out the racial treason of Cucktians on this site for the last several months long before it was decided to sheepdog them into the Stormfront fold.

Vincent Law
Guest

How old are you and how many children have you had?

Patriotic American
Guest

I don’t think she is one of us. I only saw her start posting yesterday and all she has done is non-stop attack Christians and defend sodomites.

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

She was here about a month ago to celebrate declining Church attendance numbers.

Patriotic American
Guest

Something a Jew would certainly celebrate. Anything that cuts off the goyim from their cultural roots pleases them.

Vincent Law
Guest

Women lurv their pet fags, its true.

Patriotic American
Guest

We need to work on breaking them of that. Sodomites are dangerous.

Vincent Law
Guest

I have found that telling girls about the diseases homos carry is the most effective red-pill. It triggers their “ew, yuck, icky” instinct.

Celestial Time
Guest

Can you show me an example of you speaking to women in this way and it changing their minds?

Vincent Law
Guest

I red pilled most of my liberal friend girls on the homo question. But they were Russian so it wasn’t hard.

Celestial Time
Guest

I invented a cure for cancer.

Patriotic American
Guest

Yes, but we should also point out facts about them being exceedingly violent predators who target women and children almost exclusively. Fear is an effective deterrent.

David Webb
Guest

Polar Girl. You are right. Of course, everyone on the Alt Right must accept the family as central to maintaining our race.

Polar Girl
Guest

Family is obviously needed on a personal level to produce and support more white people. What happens though when family is gay?

The point is either way, it is a personal family decision to handle. A political movement’s job is to maintain ideological discipline and stick purely to the reason it exists.

David Webb
Guest

Well gay people are not a proper “family”. Put another way, it is a barren household arrangement that is in its own way a microcosm of what is happening to the white race. But to refuse to see that many gay men are against PC and immigration and can play a part is ridiculous. To be wary of their intentions in the movement would nevertheless be prudent (given Jonjani etc).

LyovMyshkin
Guest

“But to refuse to see that many gay men are against PC and immigration and can play a part is ridiculous.”

Well anyone ‘could’ play a part couldn’t they, David? Blacks ‘could’ play a part. Jews ‘could’ play a part. The fact is we don’t want or need them to because of principle. Practically speaking though the potential benefits and minute compared to the potential risks.

William Shock
Guest

Jews seek to create division; I see Andrew Joyce is doing their job for them. When we make abortion illegal who will you be raising all the babies of deadbeat dads, drug addicts and psychopaths? Sounds rather parasitical to me. Certainly pedophilia should be banned but this crazed hysteria over homosexuality is pure projection and an embarrassment to the cause. Of course if you call it projection the hysterics will counter “That’s a Jewish Theory!” Consider however white people who deny their race and scream out about “racism” while holding guilt trips about being white.

craicher
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Banning abortion makes women realize that sex has consequences and they become more conservative and selective; what was before the cultural revolution a good, decent loyal woman/wife and mother. The parents also become much more worried thus protective of their daughter’s sexual selection. Everything gets more and more conservative and traditional in the realm of sex and marriage and family. If birth control is banned then even more so.

It would literally be a revolution (or a simple return to nature) in sex, family and morality.

Of course pedo/homos like you don’t give a rat’s a…

Absurdiness Brown
Guest

I can’t even begin to imagine what would be in the mind of a woman who would choose to abort a child conceived through anything other than rape.

Joseph Curwen
Guest

You are using the enemy’s argument: ‘they hate fags/dykes, so they must be fags/dykes in the closet’. Another interesting term is ‘projection’ which is a psychoanalytic term, heavily disputed in some academic circles.

Basically, you talk like the enemy and act like the enemy. Your avatar suits you.

Better Dead Than Red
Guest

TBH, I never understood why we are called closeted fags when we criticize fags. I am curious about this perverse mental process of casting doubt on people. Perhaps this confusion, based on past experiences or thoughts may be the source of homosexuality or, at least, its spread.

Absurdiness Brown
Guest

It’s a jewish tactic.

Joseph Curwen
Guest
The root and origin of this type of arguments is the Frankfurt School (which is basically 100% jewish), which basically blends Marxism (jewish) and freudian psychoanalytic theory (again, jewish). To make a long history short, they try to pathologize all the sane instincts and impulses: – You are very close to your mother? You have Oedipus Complex and want to commit incest fucking her. . – You love your country? You are a fanatic who wants to conquer and oppress other countries. – You love your sister? You want to commit incest fucking her. Check this out: http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf Reading Macdonald… Read more »
Better Dead Than Red
Guest

Thank you. I knew about him. It clearly seems I have to read him.

Celestial Time
Guest

It’s not just him, and it’s not just by accident.

Patriotic American
Guest

Can someone please ban this fruitcake already.

William Shock
Guest

Patriotic American you have already acknowledged having gay choices in your life, you therefore prove my point about projection.

Patriotic American
Guest

Typical slander from a typical Jew. I said no such thing. I said that homosexualism is a choice made by immoral degenerates and weaklings, such as yourself, and your depraved attempts at slandering me only further prove the validity of my assertions regarding your character.

William Shock
Guest

So you deny you have had homosexual thoughts? Hardly believe that with all your Church Lady hysterics.

Patriotic American
Guest

I also find it extremely telling that you are defending homosexualism apologists who literally use the same arguments as NMBLA (which is run by a Jew!) for pederasty and boy buggering while simultaneously trying to convince us that sodomites are not all sexual predators that are dangerous to women and children. It is also telling that the only argument you can come up with is “oy vey goyim you must be a secret faggot!”.

William Shock
Guest

Didn’t realize I was advocating for pederasty, is your IQ above 100?

Polar Girl
Guest

I got accused of the same thing thing despite never mentioning pedophilia. It seems to be a favorite ad hominem against anyone who is against this sheepdogging to Cucktianity.

Patriotic American
Guest

How exactly are you not? Counter currents defends and promotes guys like this O’Meara character, who writes books using the same exact arguments for the legalization and promotion of pedophilia as the National Man Boy Love Association, and with this in mind it logically follows that counter currents endorse his positions and approve of pedophilia and since you are defending them, and by proxy O’Meara, the only logical conclusion is that you fundamentally agree with them on these issues and the only people who would defend these evil ideas and try to promote them are pedophiles.

Patriotic American
Guest

It is extremely ironic how the only insult you sodomites ever seem to you use is “you must be a faggot!”.

William Shock
Guest

Notice how Patriotic American doesn’t deny that he has had gay thoughts.

William Shock
Guest

Again projection, you just confirmed my analysis of you. In case you haven’t noticed you are the one calling everyone a faggot. Now I’m starting to wonder about the pedophilia part as well!

Patriotic American
Guest

Nope, I am calling you a faggot and a Jew, not everyone. Just you.

GENX140
Guest

Just replace faggot and jew with racist and nazi and you’d make a great antifa activist.

Patriotic American
Guest

Oh and since I am replying to you I might as well go ahead and ask – why are you defending people who promote pedophilia? Are you a pedophile? Why would you do this if you aren’t?

William Shock
Guest

Not a pedophile, do not promote pedophilia. I ask you again have you had gay thoughts in your lifetime?

Vincent Law
Guest

Banned. Be less obvious next time, faggot.

Celestial Time
Guest

Banned for what? I saw questions. I saw someone not answering questions.

Vincent Law
Guest

He spent the better part of an hour calling the guy who objected to homos a secret homo.

Not really an argument, or a question.

Celestial Time
Guest

And the “guy who objected to homos” has spent considerable time and energy calling people “Jews” or “faggots” or “sodomites.”

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

A moderator bans someone and calls him a faggot? Please tell me this was a joke.

Patriotic American
Guest

Thank you! I can’t believe these creatures are actually promoting molesting little children, this is utterly disgusting.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

Where did this person promote molesting little children?

GENX140
Guest

What did you smoke dude? You’re hallucinating.

Patriotic American
Guest

You are defending people who promote pedophilia and use the same exact arguments as NMBLA. Why would you do this if you don’t support their ideas?

Patriotic American
Guest

So you don’t have an argument?

David Webb
Guest
Homosexuality is definitely part of our demographic crisis. Ethnic groups like the Pakistanis in Britain have 5 children each, don’t promote homosexuality or abortion, and are simply outbreeding us. But it is worth noting the number of homosexual men – I think largely men – who are prepared to speak out against PC and immigration. They are mainly Alt-Lite, but some are further right than that. You can think of Milo. You can also think of David Starkey, the historian in the UK who regularly upsets the blacks on the BBC show Question Time. You can also cite Jack Donovan,… Read more »
Polar Girl
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There is more homosexuality, incest, and bestiality in the Muslim world than the west but that doesn’t stop them from breeding like rabbits.

Andrew Joyce
Guest

No one is proposing a test, or suggesting a ban is realistic. What we are suggesting is the creation of a hostile environment against homosexuals, especially those writing apologetic or promotional materials for homosexuality.

David Webb
Guest
The AltRight, if it is a “movement”, is not a card-carrying organisation. People join it by declaring themselves to be part of it, and not everyone claiming to be AltRight would be accepted by everyone else as a legitimate part of it. You talk of creating a hostile environment. What about people like Paul Gottfried? He’s not gay, but is a member of an ethnic group not traditionally associated with the AltRight (he’s Jewish), and yet he has done quite a bit for the Right intellectually, and is even the author of the term “AltRight”. I personally think any contributions… Read more »
Patriotic American
Guest

In regards to Paul Gottfried, Jews have no place in the alt right as they are anti-Aryan, and even if one of them wasn’t we must keep in mind that their Talmud and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion teaches them that the best way to destroy opposition is to infiltrate and lead it themselves.

As for the slander about Roman Catholic priests being sodomites, that is slander. Less than 1% of all priests have had this issue, which is statistically less than the protestant sects.

David Webb
Guest

I’m pointing to the *fact* that Paul Gottfried is an interesting man who has done quite a bit for the AltRight. Even Ben Shapiro on certain issues only does a fair bit for the AltLite – probably more than you do, Patriotic American…

Patriotic American
Guest

Paul Gottfried is a subversive Jew and so is Shapiro and have done nothing to promote our ideas, all they do is whine about us ‘goyim’ not doing enough to kill Moslems for Israel and how the market isn’t ‘open’ enough for subversive Jews to full take over and enslave us.

David Webb
Guest
That is simply untrue. You mischaracterise both men. They have their own points of view, and, e.g. Shapiro is a strong Zionist, but on certain issues (e.g. the transgender nonsense) he can be great. As far as opening up the market of ideas, he has done far more than you, Patriotic American. It makes sense to me to allow a broad counter-culture that is not so shallow that it allows only one point of view on everything. If Shapiro convinces people on transgender, good. If someone else makes a contribution elsewhere, that is good too. Simply resorting to lies about…