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Catalonian Secession Is A Joke And White Nativists Will Never Support It

This is a pet topic near and dear to me that I’ve written about before.

In the near future, Europe and the rest of the White world will be racked by secession crisis after secession crisis. This is a future forecast that I believe few people will contest. Europe will splinter as people’s and regions that can will try to bail out of the looming disaster that is coming.

Secession is staring us in the face and borders will eventually be redrawn as one of these movements will eventually succeed. And then the domino effect will follow.

Many pro-White activists assume that this is, in fact, proof of growing pro-White anti-Third World sentiment. I agree there is that element at play, but it is not explicitly marketed as such, nor is the driving force behind such developments rising White identity.

In fact, I contend that the phenomenon can best be explained as White Flight on a nation-wide scale. And just like the original agents of White Flight were more well-to-do middle-class types that cared nothing for White identity or their less well-off brethren, so too are these new secession movements.

Take the situation in Catalonia, which is unfolding right before our eyes. Catalonia is the richest, most well-educated and a relatively White region in Spain. I studied with Catalonian patriots at University. A more spoiled bunch of progressive, stuck-up shitlibs you will have to search far and wide to find. Some of them went to Lesbos to volunteer during the Refugee Crisis and now they proudly display the Catalan flag as their profile photo. This is in no way an isolated phenomenon.

Barcelona in particular is a mecca for Hipsters, SWPLs and every type of progressive under the sun. Their left-wing groups are hard-core, and they were behind the ‘Tourists are Terrorists’ campaign in recent months.

They rallied against Northern Europeans coming from sun-deprived, over-taxed regions of Europe coming to enjoy their beaches, climate, and cheap wine. Of course, it is easy to be an anti-English or anti-German patriot, but never ever an anti-Brown one.

Many of these left-wing activists see pro-Catalonian independence from Madrid in the context of separation from the rest of poor, boorish and Culturally Enriched Spain.

It begs the question: should we support such movements on the Alt-Right?

I don’t think so. Take the case of Scotland. The Scotish independence movement was a bizarre menagerie of leftists groups LARPing as the inheritors of Braveheart’s legacy and trying to prove that their independence was in fact motivated by a desire to be more progressive and liberal than the greater nation from which they were seceding.

They wanted out of the UK and into the EU. They portrayed the UK as a backward and racist country and EU membership as joining the ‘right side of history’. But there was an element of genuine Scottish pride that was at work there as well. As is often the case, the natural and healthy patriotic sentiments of the people were used and subverted. Anti-English nationalism was falsely equivocated with pro-EU sentiment.

Bizarre, but many Scots fell for it.

We must reject these movements for what they are, White Flight by the privileged sections of society. If we do anything, we simply learn from what happens next and emulate the successful examples as they occur when our time comes.

Take Brexit.

Richard Spencer was public about his lack of enthusiasm for Brexit and he has since been vindicated. Brexit was certainly fueled by lower class White resentment, but it was certainly not an explicitly ethno-nationalist phenomenon. Everyone pushing for Brexit was basically a civic nationalist at best and the campaign took great lengths to prove how not racist it was by claiming it was the Polish plumbers that they were really rallying against.

Nigel Farage made an explicit point of arguing that immigration from the Commonwealth should be prioritized first and foremost, not European immigration. In other words, less Poles and more Pakis- that was what Brexit was all about according to people like him. Furthermore, it was about pulling the UK out of a German-dominated EU to more closely re-align the UK with the United States. The UK only really even joined the EU to disrupt it, lobby for free-trade (more American goods flooding the closed market) and lobby for Turkey’s eventual integration (to destabilize the project).

That is what the UK has been doing from the time of the Norman invasion onwards- destabilizing any attempts at a Continental Union.

Brexit was eventually supported by the British Establishment when they realized that they had lost, and Germany had won. And all the English Patriots that had thrown their weight behind the effort ended up being used for this end.

We cannot keep getting duped by agendas of people who have little in common with ours, but that need to use our support base to carry through their side-projects.

Moreover, we need to force people’s backs against the wall and make them realize that there is no lifeboat for them. If the Hipsters, SWPLs, and Yuppies in Catalonia want to flood their country with the Third World for virtue-signaling points, they should bear the consequences like everyone else. They can’t have their cake and eat it too. They need to have their legs blown off, their ribs riddled by shrapnel and their faces melted by acid just the same as the rest of us.

There can be no retreating to gated communities, there can be no more White Flight. Call your gated community whatever you want, Bavaria or Catalonia or Kalorama, we will not support it. They must never again be allowed to play on nativist sentiment to save their own skins while leaving all the other White skins to deal with the mess they created.

 

 

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Marina
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White flight? This article is just went too far. The real issue comes from the government of Madrid, which is been denying during years any kind of request from Catalonia. It seems they still in the Franco’s era. Spain is so far from a modern civilized country as France or Germany. That is the reason of this independence fighting for rights, progress and culture.

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Goolag Sucks
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Interesting perspective

Europablanca
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Catalonia has never been a Kingdom, not nation, only a vassal of the Crown of Aragon territory.

Before 1492 Castille and Aragon joined.

Melinda Santa Cruz
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Great article, Vincent.

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C.Martin
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I must say it is rather worrying that the author decided to ignore important facts of history (such as the long Catalan struggle and Franconian oppression) and the basic principles of secession and institutional competition (small nation are always decentralised andnon-globalist) only to make a silly point about “white flight”. Now. If Catalan independence is “white flight”, then isn’t the entire foundation of America based on the very same principle and thus – with same logic applied – “a joke”? Do you oppose the USA as a nation? Is American sovereignty a joke? Hypocrite! Catalunya is a nation and every… Read more »
MBNM
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I disagree. While Catalonia may be a bastion for hipsters in principle it’s far easier to keep a government accountable and to make the people care about their surroundings with smaller identitarian states. It also presents an extra obstacle to migrants and crazed technocrats.

Patriotic American
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1. “Catalonia may be a bastion for hipsters” – They are anarcho-communist, hence you see a lot of Catalans with the YPG in Syria. 2. “identitarian states” – They aren’t identitarians, they are the exact opposite. They love open borders, multiculturalism, negroes and moslems, want more socialism, etc. This whole independence movement is based entirely on their feelings about paying higher taxes and that is it. I promise you that if taxes were lowered this whole thing would be over fairly quickly. 3. “independence would make race realists out of any people.” – Catalans have managed to prove that statement… Read more »
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Abcdedcba
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Assange RT’d one of my tweets recently until he realized my username was JewLover1488 lol

Super_Male_Vitality
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Richard Spencer’s pan-Europeanism is nuts, on the face of it. Small states with racial and cultural cohesion is the only feasible way to secure the existence of our people in the short-term. If these movements represent a form of white flight – for and by the rich – so be it. In time leaders will emerge from these strong, prosperous and conservative states to inspire the reconquest. Secession is absolutely the *only* goal the alt-right should be agitating for. We need the right to carve out an autonomous homeland for Whites somewhere in the United States, as arguably we already… Read more »
Patriotic American
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Catalunya isn’t conservative or liberal, they are far, far, far, left extremists. This movement represents the rebirth of the anarcho-communist movement in Spain, which murdered countless women, children, priests, and nuns in cold blood. This political movement is LITERALLY antifa taking over a prosperous region of Spain, which had suffered under their yoke before. If you support this then I can only assume that you are either ignorant of Spanish history on every level.

kaarekazai
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I do not have a strong opinion on Catalonia. But I do think that in general small states and ethnic and linguistic independece is a good ting and a necessity.

We will never face this challenge together in one big block. We need “safe rooms” to work from and from there we can cleaer the whole house stepp by stepp.

All should read: Anti Fragile from our favorit brown person Nazim Nicolas Taleb.

Rebel Bill
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Secession in Europe helps the cause of Southern secession here in America. Therefore, I am all for it.

Eric
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Catalonias independence is not white flight, it’s white suicide since they use the moslems as a voting bloc by bribing them to learn Catalan instead of Spanish in exchange for free shit. Otherwise, there are legitimate reasons to support Catalan independence. Catalonia is different from Spain and has a more indo european culture with nationalism, freedom and democracy, plus a lack of Islamic cultural heritage. What we are ultimately fighting is a bureaucratic mega state so I can’t see why we idealistically shouldn’t support Catalan secession, especially since the Spanish state is an obsolete parasitic fascist remnant in many ways.… Read more »
Klas2
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Lets not get caught up with policy. With Catalan independence many good things will come that are much more important and titanic than policy.

Patriotic American
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Wrong. 1. “a lack of Islamic cultural heritage” – Catalunya was under Islamic rule longer than Castille, Leon, Galicia, Asturias, and Navarre. Look it up, those regions were freed before the Catalans. Large parts of Catalan lands were under the Ummayad’s control for almost 150 years, all the way up into Septimania. 2. Catalan’s struck a deal with the Moslem invaders in order to avoid out right conquest and even supplied troops to help occupy the northern parts of Catalunya and southern France and had military alliances with them against white Christians. One notable Catalan (Gothic) Lord even converted to… Read more »
Eric
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Even if so, Catalans were still the major force in the reconquista, hence they lack Arabic culture and loanwords. From what I can see, they are one of the most gothic/Germanic/indigenous places in Spain. They have a coherent social ideal, nationalism, hard work ethic and tradition of democratic struggle against fascist Spain. But since a lot of spaniards have a fascist Muslim mentality, you want to oppress the Catalans, right? Most of “our movement” are not fascists/Nazis. Perhaps “your movement”, but most of us heavily oppose centralized government and seek ethnical self determination. Why the hell would any sane rightist… Read more »
Patriotic American
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1. “Catalans were still the major force in the reconquista” – No, they weren’t. Read Roger Collins or any of the primary sources. Study some real history. The Castillians did the most to further the reconquista, They conquered everything west of Aragon and south of Catalonia (they even reconquered Valenica before the Catalans) followed by the Galicians, who conquered all of modern Portugal and freed it from the Moslems and Jews. The Castillians were also the first ones to push the ideas of allying the various kingdoms on a unified front to combat Judaism and Islam. They also didn’t tolerate… Read more »
Eric
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Thanks for the information, but why would Catalan secession be a bad thing according to you, as a Spaniard? For sure, the Spanish state in many ways acts as the fascist remnant it is? The right must stand behind every ethnic groups right to self determination. Totalitarianism is not what the right is about, and a lot of so called rightists get this wrong. I’m heavily opposed to democracy, as much as im against centralization.

Patriotic American
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1. “Why would Catalan secession be a bad thing according to you, as a Spaniard?” – Last time it turned into a Anarcho-Communist hell hole where thousands of people were murdered, religion was made illegal, Jews were allowed to run through the streets raping and murdering nuns and priests, etc. Every time they try to secede it turns into hell on earth. 2. “For sure, the Spanish state in many ways acts as the fascist remnant it is? ” – Oh yes, by forcing multiculturalism, taking authority away from the Church, forcing sodomite marriage and transgenderism on us, etc. they… Read more »
Klas2
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@Patriotic American No matter what you think the Catalan are, it is what the Catalan think they are that matters. If nothing else, secession would mean that the Catalan would stop obsessing about Madrid and be able to see more clearly what it looks like on the ground and what they really want. Same goes for the rest of Spain. It would strengthen the regions and might make the spanish stronger in themselves and focus on what really matters. And regardless, Catalan independence would mix it up. We can all agree that Spain as it is is heading for oblivion.… Read more »
Patriotic American
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1. “No matter what you think the Catalan are” – I don’t think, I know. 2. “it is what the Catalan think they are that matters.” – No, it doesn’t, every Spaniard should have a say in this. 3. “If nothing else, secession would mean that the Catalan would stop obsessing about Madrid and be able to see more clearly what it looks like on the ground and what they really want.” – No, it wouldn’t. That would trigger a domino effect and destroy my country. 4. “Same goes for the rest of Spain” – If they want to leave… Read more »
Klas2
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@Patriotic American Your soloutions are for yesterdays threats, not todays. The peoples of Europe are being erradicated by the globalists. The globalists work through deceit and manipulation and corruption, not by huge armies. The fewer the centres of powers the globalists have to corrupt, and the further removed from the people these centres are, the more effective will the globalists be. At UN and EU level the globalists reign supreme. At the level of Gargüera de la Vera the globalists can only rule through Madrid and the EU. The stronger the connection between government and the people, the harder it… Read more »
Klas2
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editing

Eric
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So why are you conveniently denying Catalans were one of the major forces in also driving out the Muslims? Their language clearly lacks Arabic influence, and do does their culture, in relation to Spain. Even if they are not more indo European genetically than other parts of Spain, they still have a social ideal and a mentality that reminds more of northern Europeans – that is hard work ethic, nationalism etc. What I meant with democracy was simply autonomy and self-rule. There is no doubt on my mind that Catalans should have their own country. Your Catalan hatred ironically shows… Read more »
Patriotic American
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1. “So why are you conveniently denying Catalans were one of the major forces in also driving out the Muslims?” – Because they weren’t and to say otherwise is a blatant lie and misrepresentation of reality and as a Spaniard and someone who went to school to study these subjects for a living it is a fact that I know more about them than you ever will. The Castillians were. The Catalans helped when it was convenient for them, sure, but there is a reason why the crown of Aragon had more possessions outside of Spain than in it. They… Read more »
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Brutus of troy
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I disagree. Essentially because I am in favor of localism in general and also because anything that stirs up the political pot is a good thing. The people of America were in part inspired by Brexit, it helped them believe that Trump could win. All the papers talked about Brexit and Trump being a populist uprising. I understand the hypocrisy of the Scottish referendum but the thing is that we are an identitarian movement and Scottish identity as the victim of English supremacy is something that is allowed in the cultural marxist scale of things and it is of course… Read more »
ɱØяñιηg$ʇðя ©™
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A new battle of Culloden today would be fought with handbags and maze by the scots and with chicken clubs and watermelons by the brownies. Very pathetic and possibly entetaining to watch from a safe distance on JewTube though.

Tercio
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This article doesn’t make much sense. I explain the actual issue with Catalonian secession here:

http://la-derecha-alternativa.ghost.io/2017/09/23/the-catalonia-question/

TrashGreen
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I support secession, just not for Commielonia

Avi Marranazo
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From here in Madrid, it sure seems that Catalonian “independentistas” seem to be nothing more than opportunists supported by cultural Marxists and their Third World pets. I think there are more non-Whites in Barcelona than anywhere else in Spain.

Abcdedcba
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There’s some woke Catalans though. When I was in Barthelona, I saw a bunch of fliers that said “Puta Negra = SIDA” (black whores = AIDS)

Tercio
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You may find this useful to explain the issue to English speakers:

http://la-derecha-alternativa.ghost.io/2017/09/23/the-catalonia-question/

Vincent Law
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Assange has retweeted this article. He didn’t like it because he sees the Government in Madrid as “Fascist” and also simultaneously “Neo-Liberal”. By extension, he sees Catalonians as a rag-tag group of spunky Communist freedom fighters sticking it to the big bad Empire or something like that. Maybe he hopes that they will give him asylum in Catalonia? A long shot. But nice to know he reads us, eh?

TheLulzWarrior
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Assange is correct. He knows his job, he has been undermining the System for many years and damaged its credibility further.

Calling them fascist helps although it is cheap, if it makes his audience of normies sceptical of the System. Buck doesn´t stop there.

The reality is that the Spanish governement is anti-White and the pretences of separations of powers, rule of law and democracy are revealed to be transparent lies. Also, accusing Catalonians of being commies for opposing handing over gibs to such a gov?

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Interesting that Assange reads us, but he has a LOT of time on his hands.

MasBirras
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Fuck off with the “cheap wine” remarks. You’re northern european, you wouldn’t know a good wine if it ever hit you in the face. That being said, multiculturalism is promoted in Catalonia from all its institutions and political parties. No one in the pro-independence movement is defendin identitarian ideas. There is no ethnicity component there, most of the catalans at this point are half spanish and define their identity on a language basis. They sell the idea that if you speak proper catalan you’re a catalan, doesn’t matter if you’re north-african, latin american or spanish. And in Spain there is… Read more »
unpaidpundit
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I hesitate to draw any firm conclusions about this secession bid, because I haven’t followed the situation closely. The American news media hasn’t covered this story often or in much detail. In general, I am all in favor of white people preserving their ethnic and regional cultures. But it sounds like Catalons might be seeking independence for the wrong reasons. White people of European ancestry are a small global minority who are under siege by other races who want to move to our lands, and take what is ours. We must form a united front for the sake of our… Read more »
Lulz Node
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White secession isn’t only favorable, it may become necessary if we need to protect our people from genocide. 2 examples show that it can work. The US left Great Britain and flourished. And in the case of the Jews and Israel. Jews were outcasts for well around 1000 years or so in Europe before Theodore Herzl wrote about creating a Jewish State. Got funding from the Rothschilds and slowly grew as it developed it’s defense forces. Not only that it’s on track to even expand outside of palestine with the Great Israel project as their neighbors balkanize (such as what’s… Read more »
Yehudah Finkelstein
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If Israel tries to expand outside the 48 borders and West Bank, Jews will reap the whirlwind.

Lulz Node
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Perhaps if they did today, but in a 50-100 years from now, there may be a different situation.

le Père Mersenne
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For a second I thought you were referring to the Continental 48 States, not the year 1948.

My bad. Carry on.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

And Zionism is a broadly international cabal anyway.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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What will happen when the House of Saud is overthrown and Gulf Arabs unite with the Persians on a war front? That will happen if Israel is dumb enough to attempt a landgrab in the Middle East. Pakistan also has nukes that can be pointed at Israel.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

They’re going to see a quick flash of light.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Then so will Tel Aviv and Haifa. But the Pakis will spare Jerusalem.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I meant Tel Aviv.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Good man.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Significant difference here. Spain is a long settled geographical national expression. This isn’t like Brexit with the largely sovereign British reasserting the effective status quo.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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If you’re familiar with Spanish history, then you would know that the Union of Aragon and Castile was a personal union that did not change local and civic laws in the Spanish regions.

Tercio
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The count of Barcelona was the “Duke of Hither Spain”. Charles took over political rule of the entire kingdom for the first time.

Tercio
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Except that it did, because the political sovereign was the Spanish crown. Fueros were a thing, but that is because Spain was an “envelope” nation for different ethnic but non-political ones.

Patriotic American
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Nailed it. It is unfortunate but true.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

This is a very different problem. Thus you see the Madrid government storm the Catalan bureaus. That’s a precursor to civil war.

Klas2
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Catalan independence will be fuelled by identity and nationalism. That is the only way to make such a huge political move that has the potential for violence. And this is a good thing. We do not know which way it will play out but just letting the nationalist genie out of the bottle is huge. Vince law is mincing words and arguing like a typical practitionerl of critical theory. Probably because his mindset is imperialist, just like Spencer. But we are Europeans. And we care about nationalism. And this is the only way forward. Just as Scottish secession might have… Read more »
Tercio
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Catalonia is not and was never a nation.

Klas2
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I think you got the concept of nation and state mixed up. The Catalonians were always a nation. Even if its been 500 years since they had their own state.

Tercio
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Sure, that’s the point. They were an ethnic nation, never a political one. But the idea that every ethnic-nation requires or should get a political nation by default is quite new, in fact it’s pure German idealism.

Klas2
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“political nation” does not exist. The nation is the people. The state is the political construct. The nation is what makes people feel. What you call “nation”, ie the state, can only rule by handing out plunder to its minions. Or by subjugation and terror. That is the power of the nationstate. It is to have a shared destiny and a shared history. It can rule by consent. To your imperial constructs any ethnicity and any nation will always be a threat. So you will crush us. In the end the powermad imperialists can not abide that their subjects have… Read more »
Tercio
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Your idea that each ethnicity or each “culture” gets a political nation is 100% pure German idealism nonsense.

Tercio
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“Nation” is not an univocal term. You’re thinking “ethnic nation” is the only possible acception to the term but this is clearly not true. Historically most ethnic nations were not political at all or they pledged themselves to nations that WERE political, Spain is a clear case. Why do you think we developed “nation-states”? Precisely to officially fuse or dissolve a bunch of ethnic-nations into one single official and legitimate political entity.

You sound exactly like a lolbertarian but at a national level. Instead of “taxation is theft!” “Imperium is theft” lmao.

Klas2
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So all is legalism? All is arbitrary? Power is all that matter, is it? History does not exist? There is no legitimacy coming from the sentiment of existing cultures? All should be mandated from the imperial throne?

YOU are arguing that the politicians have a right to create peoples by handing out paper. So why do you object to the mass immigration of foreigners into Europe? Or do you? As long as the politicians hand out the right paperwork, what is the problem? Because borders, administrations, laws, thats all exist right?

Tercio
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Eh no, I said “nation” is not a univocal term, there are several acceptions, ethnic and political being two of them, I didn’t say “all is legalism”. The idea of legitimacy coming from the “sentiment of peoples” is Enlightenment talk and if we use it, then you should respect the fact that Europeans are voting for their own destruction.

Come back when you can construct arguments and not straw-men.

Klas2
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Since you use the word “nation” to mean “state”, why dont you just say state then? I use the word “nation” to mean people. Ie, a closely interelated group of people that look back on a shared history. I have a clear definition. Do you? Looks to me like you are trying to have your cake and eat it.

Tercio
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Because a state is also a “nation” even according to your definition; “a closely interrelated group of people that look back on a shared history”. So your definition is only clear in your head because you think nation only means “ethnic-nation”. I’m showing you that’s not the case. In fact, historically the term “nation” is not even related to ethnicity, as butchers or smiths were called “nations”. The “nation of the butchers”. In the monasteries and later universities nation was used to refer to the school you belonged too, so if you studied German philology for instance they would say… Read more »
Klas2
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So, all this word magic aside. What is YOUR definition of a nation? All you have done so far is to use critical theory to cast doubt on my definition, in typical cultural marxist fashion. And fyi, In my country the original nations are today referred to as provinces. In our classical universities these nations still live on, the student unions are organized in “Närkes nation”, “Smålands nation”. And trust me, I am all for political independence for Jämtland for example, or Skåne. I am in no way married to the nationstate or the current centres of power. My ideal… Read more »
Tercio
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The example you give of your country referring to the old nations as “provinces” is a perfect example of a political nation serving as an envelop for ethnic-nations.

Tercio
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I told you, there is not ONE definition. I understand that there are ethnic-nations, but unless they have a State they’re not a political nation. I don’t believe all ethnic nations can or should get a state. But I also think there are limits to political nations, they can’t simply absorb any and all ethnic-nations.

Klas2
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If you have nothing to say, silence is a good alternative.

Tercio
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Wut.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Petty Nationalism is dumb and should be opposed in all its forms.

Patriotic American
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Are you an internationalist then? I love my fatherland and don’t want to see it broken up by meddling foreigners.

Bad_Mr_Frosty
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Then the people need to be 100% honest about who and what they are trying to escape. It’s not the Castilians they are trying to get away from. No more running away from diversity while endlessly praising it.

Patriotic American
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They aren’t fleeing diversity, they are fleeing high taxes and anti-Catalan sentiment. You can see that hatred in comments some nationalists left on websites when the Manchester bombing happened awhile back, they were expressing regret that no Catalans were killed instead of acting like decent Aryan men.

Bad_Mr_Frosty
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Then there may not be a bloodless solution. Canada has Quebec and USA has Dixie. A nation is more than race.

Johnny Fascismo
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Quebec should have seperated and so should have Dixie. Perhaps they would have evolved into something better than the Cesspools of degeneracy that Canada and the US have become.

Patriotic American
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Yes, but race is the most important thing.

Bad_Mr_Frosty
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Redundant, if you have multiple races, you automatically have multiple nations. “Multiracial Nation” is an oxymoron.

The issue is where to draw the line in a homogeneous nation. When does language, culture and religion become different enough to warrant a separate nation?

Patriotic American
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What I mean is racial purity is the most important thing. I agree, though, the definition of ‘nation’ is ‘race’.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Seems like the natives are busy doing it. Not foreigners. This is horrifying shit, a total surprize.

Patriotic American
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It is the foreigners, there were interviews on Spanish TV with f*cking sudacas and guiris saying how Catalan they felt and how they were going to vote for independence! Scum of the earth.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Franco was an MI6 asset.

Patriotic American
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Interesting. I wonder why he didn’t try to drag Spain into war against the Germans then?

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

He kept out apart from the legion sent to the USSR. Sensible man. It’s a deep game that you appear to have missed. The British were never really hostile to fascism.

Patriotic American
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Of course they weren’t, they were hostile to anti-banking movements.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Something like what the Germans had planned for Eastern and Central Europe during World War I would probably be the best scenario. Smaller nation states preserved, but under the hegemony of the dominant great power in the region. The Germans planned for the Finns, Poles, Balts, to be ruled by Pro German monarchs.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Looks like Spain will have another civil war.

Gubbler Chechenova
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Get a load of this Counterpunch BS: I never read such rubbish in all my life, but PC is all about lies and delusional moral hubris. https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/22/who-are-the-alt-right-on-the-rise-of-reactionary-hatred-and-how-to-fight-it/ With the rise in public visibility of far-right-wing militants in the U.S. following the events in Charlottesville, much of the public is scrambling to understand just what this movement is and what forces are driving it. What is ‘far right’? According to MSM, any European who wants border security and wants to preserve his nation for his people and culture is ‘far right’. What passes for acceptable ‘right’ is Merkel who invites millions… Read more »
craicher
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Nobody reads your long rambling posts. Get your own website you weirdo.

le Père Mersenne
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I think Gubbler has some interesting things to say, but when the comment is longer than the article, it is time for him to get his own site.

Gubbler Chechenova
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You read it and you know it.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Spanish Army move enmasse into Catalonia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TKYALsp-sIg

King Juan, we never knew!

NotYouNotSure
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There is no independence if one is being ruled by the EU, be it part of Spain or as a Catalonia.

the Southerner
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Amen, and that is precisely why I will never vote for the GOP again.

Scott Schroeder
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Secession means smaller. Beyond that it means nothing until you state what you plan to secede into.

We’re pro-white. If someone explicitly states that they want to secede into something pro-white, then we can support that. Otherwise, nothing for us to concern ourselves over. There’s way too many anti-whites that need to be discredited to worry about the odd secessionist movement.

And they have to be explicit. The days of supporting dog-whistling and people who make vague promises of things that might be good for whites (which they never keep anyway) are OVER.

Fred
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I am not even reading this article. Catalans are distinctly different from Castilians and Andalusians and have right for a pieceful segregation.
Visca Barca! Visca Catalunya!

Patriotic American
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*peaceful

I don’t really agree. We Spaniards are one of the most genetically homogenous peoples on the planet and share blood and history. Blood > all. Catalunya es España. We just need to treat Catalans better is all.

Fred
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What about the linguistic difference? You have to have an interpreter from Catalan to Castilian. Catalunya has always looked towards Mediterranean, while Castille had eyes towards Americas. Catalans always have had a nitch for business, but Castilians preferred military, religion or goverment administration. Catalunya and Castille were on different sides during the Bourbon war. What about Companc? What was the reason Franco shot him? What about the bloody siege of Barcelona? To understand Catalan/Castillian differences, one must attend El Clasico at estadio Camp Nou. In-inda-indepencia. Never forget 1714. The only residens of Catalunya against secession are internal migrants from Andalusia… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

This is Insane.

craicher
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That lisping thing is weird.

Patriotic American
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“linguistic difference” – Is not that big of a deal. They are still Aryans and are genetically identical to the rest of us. “Catalunya has always looked towards Mediterranean, while Castille had eyes towards Americas.” – I never denied this. “Catalans always have a nitch for business, but Castilians preferred military, religion or goverment administration.” – LOL true, but economic concerns do not trump the concerns of race. That is a Jewish mindset. “Catalunya and Castille were on different sides during the Bourbon war.” – I addressed this in another comment. Catalunya has always been close to France politically and… Read more »
Fred
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I am not a Spaniard. I reside in Texas but originally from the former Soviet Union. I love Spain more than any other European country, whether it’s Granada, Madrid, Rioja or else. But my heart belongs to Barcelona. I will retire there some day.

I am a socio in FC Barcelona and Barca for me more than just a club. Mes que un club.

Catalan and Castilian are not the same. Castilians do not speak or understand Catalan. Any menu on La Rambla is in three languages. Why?

Try Lleida, they may not even undertand Castilian.

craicher
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Fred, you’ll be like all the other retarded, fat, drunk, teenage wannabe oldie snow birds there. Best not to do it! Go to your own home. Take your grand kids fishing. Keep a garden. Chop firewood. The world just cannot handle any more spoilt ass boomer retards LARPing as teenagers.

Fred
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I have no idea why you addressing this stuff to me. I dont have grandkids and I do not fish.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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He’s saying you as a Texan should not abandon your homeland to go LARP as a 70 year old Eurotrash wishing he was 18 again.

Fred
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Yehuda, have you ever been on the estadio Camp Nou watching Barca play? Have you ever paid 450 EURO to watch El Clasico live? You do not know what you are missing.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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This has GOT to be parody.

Fred
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Better than sex, Yehuda. Watching El Clasico from a decent seat at Camp Nou. Back im the Josep’s day most of players were native Catalans. Yell puta when Ronaldo complains. Then two bottles of Rioja at a Basque tavern on La Rambla. You do not know what you are missing Yehuda. Better than sex..
Visca Barca, Visca Catalunya!

craicher
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Jesus, Mary, Maria.

craicher
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There is nothing more disgusting than old Northern Europeans in places like Spain and Portugal (I lived for a short spell in Fuseta which is a beautiful spot in the Eastern Algarve) acting like teenagers. I used to want to take their pensions from them and make them work like I must do as I served them drinks at La Concha. The last time I was there, a little over a year ago, I decided to never go back because of it.

Patriotic American
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Yes! Most of those people are pushing our politics to the far left as well and I am convinced that they are playing a part in this. They should all be rounded up and sent home.

I also can’t stand the younger vacationers, especially the British, they are all drunk and drugged up and cause nothing but trouble.

Fred
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Gallego, not to worry, there will be no Civil War Dos in Spain. Your compatriot, Rajoy, is not that crazy. But, when you go to bed tonight, do not forget:
SIETE PUNTOS! SIETE PUNTOS!

Patriotic American
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Well I hope there won’t be but one can never be too sure. No one thought there would be a war in ukraine and look at what those demons did.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Whatever is going on in Spain at the moment has little to do with tourists.

There’s a lethal and deep seated rivalry between Barcelona and Madrid.

Patriotic American
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Yeah, but there shouldn’t be. We should be working together and not trying to undermine and slander our countrymen. It is very sad.

craicher
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In a sane world old people would take care of their grand children. The old women would change diapers and milk their cow. Not lay on the beach like a stranded whale and drink all day. The old men would take the grand kids out to teach them hunting, fishing, carpentry and so forth. They deserve to lose their pensions.

Patriotic American
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Yes, they do, 100%. What really bothers me is that they have the audacity to do it in someone else’s country on someone else’s dime!

craicher
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All the while complaining about how the Spanish or Portuguese don’t do things like they do back in Holland, Sweden or Germany.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The Spanish tourists in Oxford are a huge pain in the arse.

They jam up Cornmarket street and cluster around the McDonalds leaving trash everywhere. They even walk around in the rain when you try to get from lecture hall to lecture hall across town. Slows everything to a snails pace.

craicher
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You will find Spanish tourists (mostly esol students) in places like Brighton burst out into song on the bus (a big no, no for the stiff upper lip English). Like they have no respect at all for the local ways. And you’ll find English acting retarded all over the world. I agree with Evola and travel should be for a select few. The masses need to be tied down to their cattle, farms, families and so on.

Patriotic American
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Yes, and it is very annoying. They should learn to respect us in our own homes. I wouldn’t go to the Netherlands and whine about how they do things, it would be dishonorable and rude.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Everyone has the right to whine about how shitty Dutch food is.

craicher
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Grown hydroponic under fluorescent lights. How could this go wrong?

Patriotic American
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lol Never had it but I’ve heard it isn’t the best. People say English food sucks and I liked so who knows?

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The Dutch eat chicken out of vending machines.

Patriotic American
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LOL that is nasty….

Baron von Aus
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That is disgusting .

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Dutch food is disgusting. They literally rely on the Surinamese and Indos to make food for them that isn’t boring, bland shit like boiled potatoes with unseasoned meat or bread and cheese (the Dutch eat cheese sandwiches for breakfast AND lunch).

Rocco Manzardo
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We still have good food in Italy and we don’t use Pajeets to cook it.

Baron von Aus
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Perhaps their poor diet is the reason for there sour disposition.I am still very surprised that anyone would eat chicken from a vending machine.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The Spanish call the Med the “Sea of Pissing Germans”.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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This post is fucking great and distills boomers in a nutshell, whether they be Brits and Germans living in Ibiza or Americans in Mexico and Hawaii.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Or Royal Marines on the Gib.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Brits are the absolute worst tourists and travelers, loud, drunk, and obnoxious, with frequent retarded “Stag and Hen” themed parties.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

It’s not tourism it’s assymetric warfare.

Patriotic American
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“I am not a Spaniard.” – I don’t want to come off as rude but this is our business and we don’t want or need foreigners trying to meddle in our affairs. “I love Spain more than any other European country, whether it’s Granada, Madrid, Rioja or else.” – You only know what foreigners and tourists know then. I am from there. España es mi patria and for me this is different. “I will retire there some day.” – Then please have the decency to respect to realize that España is OUR land and you are a guest and don’t… Read more »
Fred
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Dude, take it easy. No one is meddling nowhere. But I do have an opinion on the issue. By the same rational, a Catalan would say that a Madrideno is meddling in Catalan affairs. But, by my postings, you should have realized that I know more about the issue than an average tourist. You know it more than others than when the window of opportunity was there to renegotiate the tax flows in the mid-’00s, Aznar and Partido Popular turned their back on Catalans. But you reap what your sow. Andalusians will never become Catalans and why Catalans have to… Read more »
Patriotic American
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“Dude, take it easy.” – My country could well be on the verge of a civil war and if that happens I will be among the first to head back home and take up arms. There is nothing easy about this situation. “a Catalan would say that a Madrideno is meddling in Catalan affairs.” – Catalunya is an integral region of España. This is a matter for ALL Spaniards to decide together, not just Catalans. “you should have realized that I know more about the issue than an average tourist.” – Then you should also know that Catalunya hasn’t been… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I’ll take Majorca.

craicher
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Are you the Captain of a real ship?

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

A slave ship.

Patriotic American
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lol

Fred
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I thought Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492. Did Franco ask them back?

Patriotic American
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There are still Jews in Spain (in my opinion), they are simply good at hiding it. It is a well known thing that in the Canaries, for instance, half the priests were actually Jews. They used to put one son into the priesthood so as to hide what they really are. It was the same in the Balearics. As for Franco, there are rumors who could’ve been a crypto-Jew, he certainly had no qualms about negroes and moslems mass raping white women. It is also a fact that the part of southern Galicia he was from is well known for… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Franco was flown into Spain from Morocco by MI6/SIS pilot and bodyguards. He was never going to stab those guys in the back.

Patriotic American
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I have never heard of this. Where did you come across this info? I know he was scum but I didn’t think he was allied with the Jews like that.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA
Patriotic American
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I just never heard about that, I thought it was the Germans. I don’t like Franco, though, he actually ordered his negroes slave soldiers to rape asturian and galician women. He was a piece of sh!t.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Franco was an MI6 asset.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

We are just hearing about the preconditions for a civil war in Spain and Patriotic American starts getting ansy about foreign meddling! If the country implodes it’s everyone’s business.

Patriotic American
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Why is that? What makes you think foreigners have a right to meddle in our affairs? You guiris need to stay out of our business and let us resolve this peacefully. We don’t interfere in your internal affairs and we kindly ask that you respect us in the same way. That is all.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Spain is a fairly weak state. You know that.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I’m afraid you will just like every other Spanish civil war from the Black Prince to the Peninsular War to the dust up in the 1930s.

Patriotic American
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Foreigners stick their noses where they don’t belong. We didn’t want nor ask for that and personally if it comes to blows I will be dealing with foreign mercenaries in my own way.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I don’t think this has anything to do with foreigners meddling. It’s an internal shit show that could drag everyone else in to arbitrate.

Patriotic American
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Ok so hordes of foreigners saying they plan to vote for independence isn’t meddling in Spain but it is when it happens in America?

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Maybe I’ll occupy Navarre.

craicher
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Have you ever been there? It’s not all its cracked up to be.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The Prado in Madrid is the best museum in the world.

Wendy Milner
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“Blood > all.”

Those Spaniards on the beach likely said the same thing as they watched
Africans wash up on the shores, exit the boats and flee into your country to rape your women.

Patriotic American
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Hateful little Jew aren’t you, (((Wendy)))?

Wendy Milner
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My fellow Americans, O/T: AltRight.com needs to create a safe space in the Disqus universe. Disqus has written recently about plans to make it easier to eliminate toxic entries in the comboxes. AltRight dot com is very fragile (think NRO circa 2016). The site’s mods are acting like Jonah Goldberg just under a year ago and I am worried. They have several part time jobs to hold down at taco stands/Chinese dry cleaners. Many hot dog vendors lost their job because of Charlottesville, but weirdly, their actions only accelerated the purging of Southern historical figures from public spaces. I would… Read more »
Bad_Mr_Frosty
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Jewish concern trolling is so blatant.

If you see the phrase “My fellow _____” assume it’s a Jew trying to shut you down.

craicher
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Jews are not Americans. Never have been and never will be.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Bad_Mr_Frosty
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They’re never anything but Jewish Their parasitical nature is to appeal to the host as if they were one in the same. This is also why calling a Jew a Jew is considered antisemitism.

Daniel O'Riley
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The Yes Minister Brexit example / theory is bollocks. I agree that elitists wanting to form their own nation is unnacceptable, but Britain was in the EU to get a vote on the direction of the region, sometimes cynicism backed with history is absurdism. Either way, London hipsters wanted to stay not go.

Catiline_Conspirator
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A fine essay except for the “Catalonia is the richest, most well-educated and a relatively White region in Spain” part.

MasBirras
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I don’t know where does he get that nonsense from. “Relatively white”… It’s the region in Spain with the highest amount of muzzies and second to Madrid in latin americans. Barcelona is crawling with non europeans, and there are towns which are completely taken.

Catiline_Conspirator
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He’s an [email protected]@hole implying that there are degrees of Arab admixture in Iberia, and that Catalonia is the least admixed, even if not as pure as Europe north of the Pyrenees. What makes this truly remarkable is that he affirms this Kempian nostrum in an essay calling for European unity!

Abcdedcba
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Are you implying that there aren’t degrees of Arab admixure in Iberia? That’s fucking Iberia 101

MasBirras
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Arab genes are non-existent. If you mean african genes, they are even more present in Italy than Spain, and in both cases they’re residual. The muslim conquest was a religious one, the native people converted to islam. Iberia back at the time had more population than the whole north of Africa, Egypt excluded, and the muslim invasions were not migration of peoples. There is no record of hundreds of thousands of north-africans migrating into Spain, many more germanic peoples moved in and they didn’t leave much of a genetic mark. By my experience, brits are completely eager to strip Spain… Read more »
Vincent Law
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Fuck you, I never implied that.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

El municipio de Salt (Gerona) ha aparecido con carteles en árabe
pidiendo a la población musulmana que vaya a votar el referéndum
independentista ilegal.

La ciudad, de 30.000 habitantes y muy próxima a la capital gerundense,
acoge un porcentaje muy elevado de inmigrantes, más de un 40% de los
ciudadanos, principalmente de origen marroquí y gambiano.

Los carteles en árabe han sido pegados en el rótulo que señala la
entrada en el municipio, así como en farolas cercanas a la mezquita. En
ellos se puede leer: “votemos para ser libres” en árabe, acompañado de
la fecha del referéndum.

http://www.alertadigital.com/2017/09/22/los-separatistas-catalanes-utilizan-el-arabe-en-su-campana-a-favor-de-la-independencia/

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Bollocks. The Atlantic areas aroung Vigo or Bilbao surely are whiter.

craicher
Guest

I parked my rv at the boardwalk (whatever they call it?) in Barcelona for one night. One night was enough. Feral Blacks all over the place.

Fred
Guest

Stay away from La Rambla except for a few Basque taverns. African hookers come only when it’s dark.

Stay in uptown. There are no africans, gitanas or tourists. Talking about Cale de Malorca or Valencia. Locals and Europeans. Get jamon sandwich with coffee con leche on Paseo de Gracia in the morning. Take a tour on Camp Nou.

craicher
Guest

Barcelona is a degenerate hell hole except if you are rich. Fred, you need to stay home with your own people. Really.

Patriotic American
Guest

Gypsies and whores as well. They have allowed the city to become jewified unfortunately.

craicher
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Lots of Black African whores too. I don’t get it. Who wants that?

Patriotic American
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I have no idea….marxists are disgusting.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

La Ramblas.

Patriotic American
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While the Catalans do have some legitimate gripes, which should be addressed legitimately, I think they over exaggerate them due to their mammonistic tendencies. They have a reputation for being greedy and selfish and it isn’t all just hot air, a good number of them really are like that. I would compare them to liberal Californians from the L.A. area.

TheLulzWarrior
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The majority of the Catalans were wrong in that these latest moves by the Spanish gov surprised them.

Charlottesville or Spain, expect the System to be the System.

Afterthought
Guest

More trash from altright.com.

What is the Darwinian Cost of Spencer’s “leadership” since his Alt Right press conference 9-9-2016?

Thank God that Annus Horribilis is over.

W. Freudenfeuer
Guest

Did Vincent really expect Farage to campaign on a slogan of ‘Remove Kebab’? How far would he have got with that?

Everyone here in Britain knew who he was talking about when he spoke of immigration of ‘eastern Europeans’, everyone. The Brexit process isn’t over yet, not by a long chalk.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

It was widely understood by the English to be a Remove Kebab effort.

saul7
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The British people wouldn’t have supported a remove Kebab movement? I think they would. The press would have treated him the same. A remove Kebab movement might have landed him in jail though.

KonigReich
Guest

I support Scottish Independence. Anything that weakens the one of the most anti-white states in history (the UK) is fine with me. In addition this would also help spread chaos and speed up the acceleration.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I support Bavarian separatists and Prussian separatists.

Dissident5
Guest

Catalonia desperately wants to become non-white. So it’s a flight from whiteness.

Allen Carter
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My position is the EU is riddled with the socialist ideology, these old countries like France, Germany etc are being wiped out because they belonged to a collective that could be influenced by the likes of Merkle. I don’t think whites should fight among ourselves either but if it’s a case of whites fighting against this sick leftist perversion I don’t see that we have much choice. At this point , given that we are faced with the actual fall of centuries old European nations and cultures a war might be the only thing that saves Europe. Clear sides being… Read more »
ps mike
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Ha. Great article. I wholeheartedly agree.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

I have no understanding of Spanish politics

But I did find this on /pol

Anna Gabriel, Deputy of Parliament of Catalonia (Catalan): “The Catalan
Country, and its maximal political freedom, and the possibility of
building an alternative economic and social model to colonial
patriarchal capitalism aren’t possible inside this state and the
European Union.”

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(that’s her in the antifa shirt)

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

After 8 decades of wanking about it, they hope to resurrect the commun from the ash heaps of history.
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Patriotic American
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The whole issue is that in the minds of the Catalans Spain was never really ‘one country’ but rather an imperialist project of the Castillians and had the ‘Castillian’ identity forced on them by outsiders who disliked them and vice versa. In the past the county of Catalunya was the dominant force behind the independent ‘Crown of Aragon’, which historically was closely allied to France (formerly it was the Frankish ‘Spanish march’) and had it’s own pretty impressive empire that included eastern Spain’s county of Barcelona and Kingdom of Valencia (both are basically Catalan in culture and language), most of… Read more »
craicher
Guest

How much Arab, Jew and Moorish (negroid) blood do the Spanish have? Real question.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

What part?

Patriotic American
Guest

In the south it is probably 3-7%, while in the north it is almost non-existent. Interestingly we actually have less admixture than some countries to the north, which I have always found odd.

As for me, I am Gallego and Asturiano and have no negro or Jew blood, thank God 🙂

P.S. – the north is very mountainous so not even the Romans could have much influence there.

craicher
Guest

Thanks. I thought it was something like that. Historical sources mention lots of blonds in Spain but nowadays you don’t really see it. Just like nearly all Romans of importance were described as blond yet today not so much.

Theseus Emmaus
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“all Romans of importance were described as blond”? Why is it then that the general phenotype depicted in colored murals of royalty and personages was dark-haired and even dark-skinned? Why did Aristotle think pale skin was indicative of cowardice? The darker phenotype depicted in art is marker of constancy with older and neighboring civilizations of the middle east, from Egypt all the way to India.

craicher
Guest

I doubt your Aristotle quote since the Greeks like all Europeans valued the palest skin as the most beautiful.

Theseus Emmaus
Guest

“Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes…” Physiognomy, Aristotle

There is possible reason to believe that Physiognomy was written by Aristotle’s Peripatetic school, but it nonetheless represents a general belief found in educated Greek society, however pseudoscientific it seems today.

Theseus Emmaus
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“Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes…” Physiognomy, Aristotle There is possible reason to believe that Physiognomy was written by Aristotle’s Peripatetic school, but it nonetheless represents a general belief found in educated Greek society, however pseudoscientific it seems today. The Bible’s Song of Solomon, which is perfectly representative of the Caucasian race’s civilization (from Rome to India), famously recites the love of a noble Jewish woman and… Read more »
Theseus Emmaus
Guest

“Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes…” Physiognomy, Aristotle

There is possible reason to believe that Physiognomy was written by Aristotle’s Peripatetic school, but it nonetheless represents a general belief found in educated Greek society, however pseudoscientific it seems today.

craicher
Guest

Well, Helen of Troy comes to mind as well as Athena and Aphrodite.

Since there were already Blond people in North Africa I doubt that they thought brown hair was blond. Even a brown headed Southern Spaniard is hard to come by these days. I’m pretty sure that the population darkened under Muslim rule. I’m not denying that you are European. But let’s be honest.

Besides being blond or red headed most of the Emperor’s were described as having blue, green or grey eyes and though you will find that today it is very rare.

Theseus Emmaus
Guest

The vast majority weren’t described as having light features. Julius Caesar, the most seminal of all – and of whom successors were named after – was described with dark hair and dark (brown) eyes. The most seminal of Europeans henceforward have also shared darker traits. That would include the triumvirate of the Industrial Revolution (Newton, Maxwell, Faraday), artists like Shakespeare, Beethoven and Michelangelo (whom exceed their peers), and leaders/entrepeneurs such as Ferdinand Magellan, Abraham Lincoln, Henry Ford, etc…

craicher
Guest

Are all those men Spanish or Latin?

Theseus Emmaus
Guest

Can you read their names?

craicher
Guest

Yep and I don’t see what they have to do with the race of the Spanish/Latins. Seems you are a darky with a bone to pick.

Theseus Emmaus
Guest

I’m just giving you the history you said you knew (roman emperors weren’t generally lighter-featured) and the bigger picture here, namely that Europe’s leading men were never particularly lighter-featured – even in their most northern regions.

craicher
Guest

An aggreived mudnority on altright.com

seek and ye shall find

Theseus Emmaus
Guest
Remember, light hair – even blond hair – is found throughout the Med. from Morocco to Lebanon up to this day – but it’s not the norm. Historical art depicts – without interruption – the Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Minoans, Phoenicains, Egyptians, etc. as dark-haired men and women. The ancient Sumerians, the first literate civilization on earth, referred to themselves as “the black-headed”. Their hair, in their own surmise, wasn’t even a dark-brown. Is there a reason why you use the word “mudslime” other as an insult? It paints yourself as someone who values their genetic makeup more than their own… Read more »
craicher
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Still, from historical sources it seems all the Med peoples and North Africans were much lighter in hair and complexsion before the Mudslimes.

Theseus Emmaus
Guest
And what sources are these? Light hair – even blond hair – is found throughout the Med. from Morocco to Lebanon up to this day – but it’s not the norm. Historical art depicts – without interruption – that Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Minoans, Phoenicains, Egyptians, etc. were dark-haired men and women. The ancient Sumerians, the first civilization on earth, referred to themselves as “the black-headed”. Their hair, in their own surmise, wasn’t even a dark-brown. Is there a reason why you use the word “mudslime” other as an insult? It paints yourself as someone who values their genetic makeup more… Read more »
Theseus Emmaus
Guest

And what sources are these? Light hair – even blond hair – is found throughout the Mediterranean from Morocco to Lebanon up to this day – but it’s not the norm. Historical art instead depicts – without interruption – that the Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Minoans, Phoenicains, Egyptians, etc. were dark-featured men and women. The ancient Sumerians, the first civilization on earth, referred to themselves as “the black-headed”. Why didn’t they refer to themselves as “the-lightheaded”?

Theseus Emmaus
Guest

Andalusian Muslim caliphs had strict intermarriage laws against Christians and Muslims marrying. The little intermarriage that did occur was at the higher echelons of society, between noble families. Remember, murals and artifacts throughout the Mediterranean (Roman, Etruscan, Greek, Minoan, etc.) depict a common dark phenotype in the Classical era. That phenotype is similarly found in ancient Egypt, and in both cases is represented as the phenotype of the ruling class.

craicher
Guest

And do not forget that Muslim could rape the third class citizen Christian dimmi (spl.) at will. Not to mention their Christian slave women.

craicher
Guest

I’m not knocking the darker Latins but I believe that every Roman Emperor that was decribed in writting was blond. Also how did the Muslim calif ( or whatever he was called) request 100 blond virgins from Southern Spain after conquering it? Today there are very few natural blonds there.

Also go into churches. The murals depict blonds all over the place in SE as well as SW Europe.

I’m dark headed myself.

Theseus Emmaus
Guest
“you believe”? You’re going to have a very hard time amounting a list of Roman Emperors described as “blond”, let alone by the meaning of that word in contemporary English. For a muslim caliph from North Africa, any woman with hair lighter than dark-brown/black could be considered ‘blond’, for which I’m sure the exact contextual term your relating from is only a loose translation of. But let’s paint the bigger picture here. Not one famous personage of ancient Europe – from Julius Caesar to Aristotle – was contemporaneously characterized or artistically depicted as blond. The darker phenotype – both of… Read more »
Patriotic American
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I forgot but I also add that when the Moslems came they created a type of ‘caste’ society and wouldn’t let Christians and Moslems intermarry or let Christians convert to Islam. The only whites who became Moslems and polluted their blood were the aristocratic elites who, in exchange for keeping their power, converted to Islam, took on Arab tribal affiliations, and became racially semiticized. Here is a good example of this – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qasi “The family is said to descend from the Hispano-Roman or Visigothic nobleman named Cassius.[1] Muslim chronicles and the Chronicle of Alfonso III suggest he was a Visigoth.[2][a]… Read more »
craicher
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And don’t forget that Muslim could rape the third class citizen Christian dimmi (spl.) at will. Not to mention their Christian slave women.

Patriotic American
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Well, in the past the Gothic, Vandalic, Suebian, and Alemmanic blood was much stronger (less mixed with native celts), and the eastern Germanic peoples were actually genetically identical to today’s Ukrainians and Polish (studies have proven this as a fact), and these peoples tended to be land holders living in the rural country side (basically traditional germanic yeoman farmer lifestyle) and after the Moslems came the ones in the south all fled up to the north (Asturias and Catalonia), so the people in the north tend to be more light complexioned, and because less foreigners visit the north and only… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Around Vigo there’s still a pretense to see themselves as Celt.

Patriotic American
Guest
A pretense? You do realize that they were speaking a Celtic language there until the mid 1500s, right? Besides, it is a proven fact that the Celtic peoples in the British isles are practically genetically identical to us and they all have legends stating their founders came from the Iberian peninsula. Even the very term Albion came from the Albiones tribe in Asturias. https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albiones – This is it in Asturian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albiones – In English if you still don’t want to believe the facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion – “Albion (Ancient Greek: Ἀλβιών) is the oldest known name of the island of Great Britain.… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

You bit…now flop around on the boat until you suffocate.

Patriotic American
Guest

You really don’t like being wrong do you?

Captain John Charity Spring MA
Guest
Captain John Charity Spring MA

What did I say that contradicts anything you pointed out?

Patriotic American
Guest

You implied our claim to being Celtic is a ‘pretense’.

“pre·tense
ˈprēˌtens,prēˈtens/Submit
noun
1.
an attempt to make something that is not the case appear true.
“his anger is masked by a pretense that all is well”
synonyms: make-believe, putting on an act, acting, dissembling, shamming, faking, feigning, simulation, dissimulation, play-acting, posturing; More
2.
a claim, especially a false or ambitious one.
“he was quick to disclaim any pretense to superiority”
synonyms: claim, profession
“she had dropped any pretense to faith”

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Easy there, Franco was a Celt. A very short dark Celt but a Celt all the same.

craicher
Guest

I drove my rv over the Pyraness (spl? on my phone and can’t be hasseled) from France and all through the country coming back up through Basque country in the North. An ex Irish girlfriend did the Camino and remarked that they resembled the Irish (lots of Irish are dark) up there.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The northern part of Spain was colonized by the British Isles too. The Basques pretty freely mixed with English troops in the medieval period.

Patriotic American
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That is because the Celts in the British Isles migrated there from Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breog%C3%A1n

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%ADl_Esp%C3%A1ine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish)

Most historians believed this was nothing more than a myth but modern genetics studies have shown that the Cornish, Welsh, Irish, and a good number of Scots are almost genetically identical to us Galicians, Asturians, and Cantabrians.

Abcdedcba
Guest

Hence why it was a bad idea to start treating the Irish as white.

Patriotic American
Guest

Verpiss dich.

Passerby
Guest

Thanks for sharing all of this!

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The Basque area was an English fiefdom too.

Patriotic American
Guest

Gascony isn’t Basque, it is Occitan, but yes the English had some control there due to intermarriage with the local nobility.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Something about controlling Wine. The Black Prince campaigned a great deal in Spain.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Is that the Beardy-Wierdy’s balls her right hand?

WHAT
Guest

My god, it is!

Rexterminatus
Guest

Fire and magnets.

Vincent Law
Guest

yes, the Catalonia independence movement is thoroughly lefty and liberal. Its Diversity for Thee, but not for Me with these people.

Abcdedcba
Guest

Antifa = communist. What is liberal about communism?

Patriotic American
Guest

I am from Spain and it is actually much worse than that. These Catalans are full blown communists. If they gain independence many people will suffer horribly and Catalunya will become a Judaized hell hole.

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

That would turn the people against antifas even more than they have turned against the Spanish ZOG governement now.

That is the good side of leftism in general, turning the people against them with display of feral violence and unrest but without the strategic mindset, organization and discipline to win what follows.

akarlin
Guest

One general trend I’ve noticed is that the smaller/more historically “oppressed” (real or imagined) a nation is the more culturally Leftist their nationalists tend to me.

I suppose it makes sense.

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

Noticed that too.

This is also increased if the “oppressors” nationalists tend to be culturally right-wing.

Person of Whiteness
Guest

What about in countries like Hungary where you had Ottoman rule and then Soviet rule?

Vincent Law
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Yeah, another factor is identification with Communism. Take N. Ireland for example.

Diversity Heretic
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Vincent’s arguments against Catalonian secession sound an awful lot like why i favor Calexit. If highly progressive liberals want to form their own state, I’m fine with it. I suppose each secession movement has to be judged on its own merits, but I am reflexively “smaller is better.” Switzerland is well governed because so much authority is at the canton level. I admit that a Catalonian army, navy and air force are pretty weird sounding, but a oompromise that gives Catalonia a very high degree of internal autonomy (immigration, for example) strikes me as eminently practical. My hope for the… Read more »
TheLulzWarrior
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55 electoral college votes, anyone against California leaving the Union is a shill or a usefull idiot (unless Brezhnev-style methods are used).

Cutting down the authority of the enemy, anti-White state is a good thing, revolt and state repression are a good lesson for the future.

1 ) Secession.
2 ) Re-organization.
3 ) Reclamation crusade.

frederickdixon
Guest

But surely you would not want California to exit until the White, Republican northern counties have had a chance to secede from secession to form the new Union state of Jefferson?

Diversity Heretic
Guest

Thank you. You made my point very well. It’s easier to reclaim small than large. Another secession movement that deserves support is Corsican. The Corsicans are so ornery and cohesive that the French government has given up trying to put invaders there.

Huginn Muninn
Guest

If I may….

1)Re-organization.

2)reclamation crusade.

3) Secession.

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

Read the Turner Diaries?

Huginn Muninn
Guest

Read whatever pleases you.

Huginn Muninn
Guest

I agree with Vincent and think his upper class white flight analogy is sublime and accurate. I share your hope and desire to see this 240 year old experiment of a nation break up into evolve into a Pan European ethno state and forge intimate relations with ALL of Europe.
Odal.

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

Tactically silly, thought.

1 ) Secession.
2 ) Re-organization.
3 ) Reclamation.

Klas2
Guest

Catalonia is a proper country with its own language and identity and history.

Huginn Muninn
Guest

No debate there….so is Basque…the greater good for pan European political and cultural gets lost in granular nationalism . This was the fatal flaw of the NSDAP party…the EU is a great concept for Europeans only(not millions of POC immigrants)…the current outcome of course is hideous and now we face the specter of every man /nation (selfish individualism) for himself…it has never worked(white folks butcher one another endlessly)…only the Roman Empire lasted a 1000 years…and their concepts and public works to this very day.UNITY is the only solution for white tribes of Europa and her former colonies.

TheLulzWarrior
Guest

When democrats eventually win, 2024 or 2028 then US states will have to leave the Union, form their own union and physically remove internal enemies.

Then, reconquest of California, New York and Chicago. Then Canada.

Klas2
Guest
That is not true. What do you think we are, beasts? We european nationalists have great concern for other europeans and we are very aware that this is a struggle that no one region can fight on its own. Dont be gaslit by the media and others. But Spencers vision of a white empire is both impossible and inane. From empire comes only the destruction of peoples. And our enemies are not some huge army that requires a huge army of our own. No, our enemies are the corrupters and grey emminenses that love nothing better than huge corruptible beurocracies… Read more »
TheLulzWarrior
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We don´t need borders and nations, everyone should just be ___ comes precisely from Empires.

Huginn Muninn
Guest
I descend from 5 different tribes (millions of white Americans) and my entire identity is based on the whole not a part of Europe . I appreciate the folks who are only of one tribe and whose passions ,loyalties and identity lie with that individual nation. The history of our ancestors is soaked in blood because of nationalism and not a greater European membership community I fully support the disassembly of this Frankenstein like EU…but I also support the “essence” of the dream of a UNION …that countless kings,Napoleon and Hitler struggled to bring to fruition even though they were… Read more »
Klas2
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Lojalty and conflict are relative. With no other enemies around we will fight one another. It is the human condition and it is as it should be. Without war our spirit lists and degenerates. But as for now, our enemies are the establishement and the invaders.

Rexterminatus
Guest

That sounds wonderful, so long as we don’t take Europe’s sissy stance on guns, free speech, etc.

Alex
Guest

“more Pakis- that was what Brexit was all about according to people like him.”

I’m no great admirer of Farage but this is by far the most disingenuous statement I’ve read here.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Since the Norman Conquest policy has been to prevent continental Union? That’s a little flowery. Way to early.

The Balance of Power role maybe, just maybe started around the time of the Hanoverians.

But that’s got to be put in the context of Anglo settlement and Colonization of North America Australasia and South Africa. The white Folk displacing Nogs and Injuns.

Ronald Blake
Guest

So the “original agents of White flight,” the “more well-off middle class types” abandoned their less well-off “brethren”. And the alternative was…To stay in deteriorating neighborhoods because all Whites couldn’t affort to leave. Ridiculous.

Herr Treblinka
Guest

So you support secession only in Ukraine, I suppose. That’s a very consistent position!

Vincent Law
Guest

Can you get it through your thick head that all brother’s wars among Whites are a bad idea or are you just a shitposting mutt-Jew?

Johnny Fascismo
Guest

I admittedly don’t know a lot about Catalonia or Spain in general, but if they are more progressive than the rest of Spain, shouldn’t we want them to seperate. That way all of the diversity can be sent directly to them and the backward proles of Spain will just have to make do with no cultural enrichment. Isn’t removing a major liberal/progressive voting block from Spain proper a good thing?

Vincent Law
Guest

Well, it could be like California going its own way. Short-term the country becomes more conservative.

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