Was the Bombing of Dresden…..

…..BEASTLY??

I don’t in any way support 50 Million dead White People…….

Hitler and the NatSoc’s destroyed themselves through their Stupidity and Idiocy…….

They would have been much better off just sticking to purging the (((Marxists))) from Power in Germany, purging and jailing the Treasonous (((Bankers/Capitalists))), rebuilding Germany and fighting the (((Cultural Degeneracy))…..

….instead of bombing England, invading every surrounding country, declaring War on America, and invading Russia…….

The Concentration Labor/Holding Camps were also a Moronic Mistake……

They should have allowed/paid all German Jews to move to Israel…….

But, I also don’t support the Holocaust Industry……

…..and jailing people like David Irving for questioning this Orthodox Religion…….

White Europa lost BIG TIME……..and still suffers the Consequences……..

But, I also believe that Adolf Hitler was trying to Save Germany from Perceived/Real Threats…….

Telling the Real Complex Historic Truth is what is needed…….

Not (((Propaganda))) and shutting down Free Speech/Inquiry and jailing Thought Dissidents……

Go talk to Andrew Anglin about that……

However he caps his movement at maybe 2% of the population by being explicitly pro-Hitler.

Do you not realize that associating Slavic “patriotism” with Communism has the exact same problem in both the West and most of Eastern Europe? How much more traction do you expect to see with “Stalin Did Nothing Wrong” in Poland than the Hitler variant?

Where did I ever say that we should all worship Stalin?

Well Hitler wasn’t a white nationalist. He was a German Nationalist. Good and Evil are relative terms. I see World War II as a conflict between Soviet interests and German interests. If Hitler didn’t go into Poland, then Stalin would have. Then he’s got a hostile neighbor to the East who has every intention of conquering the rest of Europe. I don’t think he was wrong. I totally understand why Slavs would have a different perspective on this issue too though.

As for Italy, I. really wish that Mussolini did what Franco and Salazar did and stay out of the War. Focus more on what is going on in Italy internally rather than adopting an aggressive imperialist agenda. Italy conquered Ethiopia and the British (or rather Jews in Britain) put sanctions on them for it, forcing them into an alliance with Germany and the rest is History.

Personally I take more of a tribal, ethnic approach to Ethno-Nationalism. I don’t really consider myself a White Nationalist. I support the sovreignty and preservation of all European nations and cultures. I don’t consider myself “white-Canadian” I consider myself “Italian-Canadian.” I get why British or Eastern Europeans don’t like the Fascist/NatSoc stuff, but at the same time I’m not going to condemn my anscestors for the sake of “white unity.” I do also feel the wrong side won the war, but it’s history at this point. There are more pressing current issues, and arguing about what could have been doesn’t really accomplish anything.

Trudeau’s only got two years left. I’m confident that the Conservatives will win in 2019, and then we’ll go back to being a centre left country.

12%-20%… Immigration probably isn’t going to slow down even with a Conservative government. The situation isn’t good. But the blatant pandering to non-whites will probably ease a little bit. So will the ant0-Islamophobia laws.

Well I’m not a Hitlerist exactly. I just acknowledge that American History has been unfair to him, and Hitler is weaponized against all Whites in a way that Stalin is not. I was into WWII History before I was ever alt-right and will continue to be.

I’m not anti-Slav or anti-Russia in the modern context. I think enough time has elapsed that people should be able to talk about WWII without getting emotional about it.

It really is great to have the top writer on this site be involved in the comment section. Can anyone imagine a (((MSM))) writer taking the time to debate the opposing perspectives from WW2 on a totally unrelated article?

It’s genuine and authentic content like this that keeps me addicted to this site, so thank you Vince, keep up the good work.

Yes, Italy should have stayed out of the Northern Europeans civil war -one might call it – Italy could protected Germany’s under-belly and been an arms arsenal for Herr Hitler –
Your sentiments are correct – I too, of Italian and German decent a family formed under fascism including Franco’s Spain

Yes, which remembers to an old Italian saying I am too much fond of saying –
“With a government like this the only honest thing to do is to cheat on your taxes”

And double their territory at Slavic expense.

Why were the Soviets so unprepared then, if they were all ready to go, why were they so caught out?

They were preparing to invade not defend (big difference), that’s why they were caught out.

You are talking about the two titans in terms of dictators. They were playing nice. Think about what happened between Putin and Trump at the G20. They played nice, then it was back to the usual tension, with Russia threatening to dismiss US officials, etc. It is all for the cameras and the plebes.

How is it a big difference? Did they point their tank turrets in the wrong direction? When one is preparing to attack one is incapable of shooting if the opponent shoots first? That makes little sense.

Do you want to take a stab at any of the other points?

Do you not find it suspicious that Hitler was able to re-occupy the Rhineland with no resistance even though that was a direct violation of the treaty of Versailles? Ever ask how a bunch of reformed Freikorps on suburban commuter trains with no armor just so managed to take back French territory with little fight?

And then “appeasement” is a nice way of describing what happened next. More like someone knew which direction a re-armed Germany would go and LET it happen.

Give Red Symphony a read.

What is the thesis of the book?

Oh yes, I remember this guy.

He based most of his sources on a Ukrainian intelligence guy who defected to the UK.

His claims are disputed. Its certainly a thesis, but its matter for debate.

As for Soviet warcrimes, which the majority of the book seems to be about, yes, they occurred. Mostly at the end of the war, when the Soviets rolled back German advances. Do you think no war crimes occured on Ukrainians, Poles, Belarussians and Russians?

This part is suspect though:

“Dr. Hoffmann’s book shows in detail how Stalin and his Bolshevik
henchman used unimaginable violence and atrocities to break any
resistance in the Red Army and to force their unwilling soldiers to
fight against the Germans who were anticipated as liberators from
Stalinist oppression by most Russians. Stalin ordered not only to kill
all German POWs, but also to kill Soviet soldiers who fell into German
hands alive, because they failed to fight to their death.”

They were used as penal labor to rebuild bombed out cities like Kiev. Many died, but there weren’t mass executions. Same for the Soviet soldiers.

They were unprepared because they were in preparations for a major offensive themselves. What happened was the largest single military buildup in history with Stalin just pouring tons of troops, tanks, etc into the Western USSR. They tore down their inner defense rings and started to build another one farther west, but Hitler struck first. Yeah it was an insane move, but Hitler probably saw no choice. He was outnumbered by over a million men and who knows how many tanks, etc.

An in-depth study of Russian armaments, tanks, logic, placement of aerial support facilities etc. everything designed and readied for an offensive invasion attack explains why the Wehrmacht was so successful in the first stages of Operation Barbarossa”.
The attack against Soviet Russia on June 22, 1941, the German forces were able to inflict enormous losses against the Soviets precisely because the Red troops were prepared to strike. an aggressive war that was scheduled for early July — not the defensive war forced on Stalin.

Ja, VERY debatable — debatable because of time and modding of events
I am approving what you and Mr. Norman are writing
My source is “Did Stalin Start World War 2? The Secret Plans to Conquer Europe (2009)” Viktor Suvoro und Fascism and Dhrama (2016) by (taliano) Columbus Falco

In the secretly recorded conversation between Mannerheim and Hitler in Finland, Hitler reveals how taken aback he and the german high command were when they had attacked the soviets, at just how much military material the soviets had amassed..

https://youtu.be/oET1WaG5sFk

R-M was a brilliant diplomatic move that could have prevented war.

If you want something to mull over, I suggest reading “Red Symphony” which details how Stalin got the idea.

The International Jews were always pushing for Germany and Russia to fight. So was the UK.

Hitler believed that he could make peace with the UK. His Anglophilia blinded him to Churchill’s true intentions.

Funny how the Germano and Anglophiles never mention who financed the Russian revolution that they so deride.

Kerensky was a British agent who took power to make sure Russia stayed in the war. He was deposed by a German agent, Lenin, who took Russia out of the war and ceded huge swaths of lands to Germany.

Now, there was Jewish influence at work obviously But Parvus, was a German Jewish agent who brought Lenin to Germany’s Army command. Funny how they condemn the Russian Revolution and then never point out that Germany financed the Soviet gov to the tune of 50 million marks a year in its rocky infancy.

But yes, its all the Russians fault, of course.

Did you not read what I wrote?

The German Army sent him to St. Petersburg in a closed train car. They financed him. He took Russia out of the war, which is what they wanted. He signed Brest-Litovsk. It was a German ploy.

If you want to talk Jewish money, then you need to talk about Trotsky- Bronstein- and who was financing him. It was Wall St.

The center for worldwide Jewry wasn’t Moscow, it was always New York.

I bet.

Especially when Stalin took back the lands that Lenin had ceded.

Then it was time for another land grab?

I haven’t got anything against Russians or slavs, but the NS Germans had to defend Europe from the horrors of communism.

“Living space” sounds like a buzzphrase…take your own advice.

Have you read ‘Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany’? Read that and tell me the communists weren’t horrific…and the allies.

I think at this point he’s trolling, or he’s just an idiot.

Re-read what has been written, think about it for an hour, THEN write something that isn’t literally the same thing that began this entire discussion. I mean ffs dude.

Horrified that tens of millions of people were murdered.

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Hitler was only declared war upon when he bit the hand that fed him. Even then, he thought he could make peace with the UK. He let the brits get away at Dunkirk. He sent secret envoys over to make peace (who died mysteriously in prison after the war was over), he did everything to make peace. He dropped more bombs on Stalingrad in a day than the entire London bombing campaign.

Why?

Who financed Hitler’s rise? Partly the UK.

The UK always did this. Pitting the continental powers against one another. They knew Hitler would start another continental war. Then the UK would pick up the pieces. That was the plan.

Yes, money from, UK, American capitalists and Jewish bankers was funneled a New York – the nome alludes me just yzt

They were in a non-aggression pact based on common interests until Hitler went into Poland.

History can be interpreted and re-interpreted in countless ways 80 years after the fact. I think Hitler was totally justified in taking back territories lost under the Treaty of Versailles. Was going into Poland a tactical mistake? Perhaps.

You know, that’s the second time Columbus Falco’s books have been recommended to me in the comment sections here. I really need to get on top of that.

Hitler went East for a more living space for German peasants. The Slavs were clearly second-hand humans in his view. Only a handful of Western Slavs were deemed to be a German material.

Stalin also knew and purged many of them.

If he only purged many and not all he wasn’t Jew wise. He viewed the Jews he purged as traitors but didn’t seem to view the conflict as anything other than ideological leaving their “loyal” co-ethnics in power, and now their descendants own most of Russia and attempted to own it all. I don’t see how Stalin is any more Jew wise than any other gentile world leader who has occasionally had to have a showdown with Jewish political rivals. Stalin just happened to have more authority to dispose of rivals than most leaders have had.

Presumably just about anyone who is very ambitious and competent enough for it to matter is aware of Jewish ethnocentrism. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump included. Neither can be said to be aware of the JQ, which would more properly be translated as the Jewish Problem.

In the USA, Patton, his fellow generals, and the Admirals of the Navy all were “wise to the JQ.” So was Truman, so was JFK (JFK was even a fan of Hitler, as was his father.) So was Nixon. Everyone was “wise to the JQ” back in those days. Many of the US leaders even complained about the treatment of the Germans after the War and blamed it on Jewish revenge and hated the US being involved as it was part of the European blood feuds that Americans had always tried to leave behind.

Everyone was “wise to the JQ” back then, it was only the advent of TV that caused people to forget it.

the 2nd World War as a tragic brothers’ war. Not as an epic showdown between good and evil.

That’s my take on it but the Clown LARPer Faction has always been strong on the “right” since George Lincoln Rockwell used to give regular reports on his subordinates to the FBI.