During a recent forum on the Alt-Right, “the Rise of Populism and Nationalism,” led by Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic, there was an eyebrow-raising comparison made between the Alt-Right and ISIS. It was just a tad on the paranoid and neurotic side—I wonder where these stereotypes come from? So what exactly are the similarities, besides of course the beheadings and taking over large swathes of territory in the Middle East? Supercilious Asian Graeme Wood, also of the Atlantic, explains:
ISIS is very similar in their ideas and how those ideas penetrate. With ISIS they don’t believe that most Muslims agree with them. But they believe that there are a few things that they might be able get people on board with. You ask innocently, ‘Do you think the best way to rule the world would be under a caliphate—with a really good caliph?’ And they you get ordinary people to say, ‘Theoretically, yes.’ Similarly with the Alt-Right you ask, ‘Well, do you think just anyone can be an American with any views at all?’ And they say, ‘You know what, no. There’s some limits, of course.’ And then you ask, ‘Are some of those limits racial? Are some of them religious?’ So what there is in both cases is this sense of a kind of lumpen-electorate, or base, that can be bought along with just a few thought leaders, getting those ideas penetrated in.
Goldberg asks, with just a hint of fevered fantasy, “Do you expect a radicalization process to continue in certain aspects of the White American community? Do you think this is going to lead to systematic violence […]?” To this point, Rosie Gray, surprisingly, does not sign on to the ISIS/Alt-Right comparison:
I think if we were going to see full scale organized violence on [the Alt-Right’s] part, I suspect we would have sort of seen it already? They’re very disorganized, as a group of people?…You can’t really rule anything out, but the idea that there are sort of hordes of young guys in Make America Great Again Masks and Pepe the Frog signs carrying out violent raids…I hesitate before….[ question marks added to simulate modern American career- girl up-talk]
At this point, Goldberg interrupts her and asks hopefully if the Alt-Right might engage in terrorism. Good question, Mr. Goldberg, and rightly asked. Like the Trump/ Russia collusion theory, let’s not let any lack of evidence deter us from what we just feel in our gut to be true.
We all know that the Alt-Right is a religion of peace, so to speak. But Wood’s argument is that our ideas are “associated” with violence, which is a neat trick that can be applied to pretty much any political philosophy. The Declaration of Independence is “associated” with violence. Multiculturalism is “associated” with violence. But what Mr. Wood is really getting at, and certainly Mr. Goldberg has this in mind too, is that the Alt-Right is a revamp of Nazism. This was their reference point throughout the discussion.
This is a common misperception, and I’m glad to have an opportunity to address it: There’s a difference between making ironic allusions to the Third Reich and being a bona fide, ‘90s style “Neo-Nazi.” Some may quibble, but I’m not even sure what a “Neo-Nazi” is, seeing as that Hitler himself envisioned National Socialism as particular to a time (his time) and place (Deutschland). In Germany, they use the phrase “Nazi Club” to refer to the leftist tactic of stifling right-wing resistance by tying it to Nazism. So it’s a tried and true tactic of the Cultural Marxists, which I dare say is becoming less effective as we proceed into the 21st century.
As Rosie Gray points out, the Alt-Right hasn’t committed any violence—and yet we’re treated like criminals. In my last essay, I talked about how the left labels anything non narrative-approved as a “lie,” and then simply moves on. Here we see a similar lack of good-faith dialogue. Why not invite Richard Spencer to the synagogue to speak to the man directly instead of speculating what his views might be or how he might have formed them? If you are sensing any antisemitism in the Alt-Right, you could have discussed what actions from the organized Jewish community might be provoking these sentiments and moved forward from there.
Their premise is that the Alt-Right is out-of-bounds and self-evidently dangerous, rather than a group of fun-loving, free-thinking individuals. Once they frame us in that light, they can quickly start addressing the vexing problem of how to get rid of us.
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jews funded the IRL ISIS
jews did 9/11
jews killed Patton
Jews killed Jesus, his 2nd coming (Hitler) and ruined his 3rd coming (Mel Gibsons) carerr
jews must be sentence to camp
If we’re ISIS when should I expect my check from Israel to arrive?
This fool is prepping for the inevitable uprising to come against him and the others who wish to make his mad dream of living fat in a world of slaves. His little fantasy world is all he cares for, and reality will not stand in his way. His endless calls to stop defending yourself will eventually fall away to the cold hard truth that you cannot reason with parasites and tyrants. Who will fight for your mad dreams Goldberg? Who will die for your profit margins Goldman? Who will lose his future to be your willing slave Rothschild? Your mercs and soldiers of fortune fight for paychecks. No one has ever conquered the World with mercenaries. Men will fight for freedom. They will fight for women and land. But they will not die for thirty pieces of silver.
Jeff (((Goldberg)))
Eh….he’s not completely off base. Anybody in the alt-right that still clings to the democratic fantasy has not yet forayed beyond the boundaries of clown world. Unfortunately, white apathy and rapidly devolving racial demographics mean that violence is more likely to be thrust upon us than chosen as a viable means to an end. There will be a tipping point upon which the West decides to stand or a descent into a darkness so deep that our people are lost forever. In thirty years whites will be a minority in nearly every Western country.
“War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”
-Tolkien–In case you thought I was being too larpy.
the Atlantic and the NYT – both filled with lying jews
Smear tactics at their finest(or worst).
ISIS seeks to wipe away all national, racial, and ethnic distinctions, in favor of a pan-Islamic world with no borders. Islamist doctrine is generally inherently internationalist, globalist, multiculturalist (minus non-islamic religions,) and racially egalitarian. It is surprisingly leftist except for the part regarding women and gays.
I’ll let this bearded fellow explain why your nationalism is HARAM:
I kind of got the impression that in the early days ISIS incorporated a kind of IMPLICIT Sunni Arab “nationalism”. After all, there was a time when the Shiites + Americans were in charge of Iraq, and ISIS was, to some significant extent, made up of former Iraq BA’ATH Party members, taking back their rightful clay from their historic rivals. It was kind of impressive really.
It would be interesting to learn if this was ever really the case, and, if so, how / when it evolved into the current incarnation, which seems to be a sort of (((Deep State))) puppet. Sadly, we’ll probably never know.
I wonder how many former Iraqi Ba’ath party guys are left.
I was referring more to ISIS’s use of foreign fighters, and their privileging of said fighters over their own racial kinsmen. But yes, there is something to the idea that Islam is a kind of “implicit” form of Arab nationalism, (although actual Arab nationalists tend to despise Islamists and vice versa.)
Issis did start as a Sunni baathist movement but the CIA was behind it from the beginning, got funding from the gulf states and Saddam’s wife, all very Machiavellian
ISIS came from al qaeda in iraq.. which wasn’t being run by the CIA. Otherwise AQI wouldn’t have been killing US troops, undermining the US proxy Iraqi government by helping provoke a huge civil war, and the US wouldn’t have airstriked Zarqawi. Not everything is a conspiracy.. or at least it should make sense lol
“ISIS” – which is more propaganda that actual “boots on the ground” – was founded in an American-run prison in Iraq.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-u-s-prisons-in-iraq-became-jihadi-universities-for-isis/
You are literally peddling the most outrageous and nonsensical conspiracy theories – then calling other people “conspiracy theorists? Now THAT’s chutzpah! Do you really believe that “ISIS” hacked into the Twitter account of the US military as well?
“Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/world/africa/18iht-iraq.4.6718200.html
The US military is far smarter than you are, and you probably shouldn’t believe every psy-op that they put out.
you’re just shotgunning now… all these thousands of ISIS fighters that shit on Obama’s legacy by taking huge swaths of Iraq from the corrupt and inept Iraqi military never existed? All those ISIS fighters in their stolen US and Iraqi military vehicles and artillery we had to bomb to save the Kurds and the Yazidi were actually computer generated? Nah man – you make incredible claims, you better have some credible evidence to back it up
Same with your shit about Baghdadi.. so instead of the rumor of him actually not being a real person being just a part of the Fog of War and general confusion and mind fuckery surrounding insurgencies, terrorist groups and their leaders – you jump to “obv its an Israeli psyop”. Why not fucking space aliens then? Oh and Russia just claimed they’ve killed him, are they “in on it” too?
And same again with your prison story about Jihadis networking in US run prisons in Iraq (like no one’s ever heard of bad guys plotting and swapping tips when they’re sitting in the can) .. but that story is about Baghdadi specifically, even though you say in the same post that he never existed. So which is it? Typical of hair brained conspiracy theorists who believe in anything as long as its counter to everyone else. Ie 9/11 “the pentagon was hit by a missile, it was all a set up to use as an excuse for war” but later “they shot down the hijacked flight 93 before it could reach its target, they’re lying about it” .. but “the twin towers were blown up, Silverstein ADMITTED it during an interview!”
You know you’re supposed to grow out of this shit and not be a retard forever. Oh yeah, and all the former truthers in the alr right did a 180 and believe the arabs actually did 9/11 now, because its more useful to use as an example of muslim terror than to muddy the waters with NWO infowars illuminati shit. Speaking of which, Alex Jones pivoted to “the muslims are patsies” to “the muslims are bad” with his new alt light schtick… more shekels in that i guess
Abdullah Rashid al-Nobody.
True, al Bagdadi was invited to join al Queda by bin Laden but the branched off and was co-opted by the CIA and financed by their gulf state proxies.
True, al bagdadi was invited to join al queda by bin Laden but then branched off and was run by the CIA and financed by their gulf state proxies
If the Jew label,s you as an enemy then they see you as a threat and will not stop until they have ruined you ,fight the jew where ever you can find them .As you see they try branding the Alt-Right as the very same group(ISIS) that they themselves invented.
Kvetching just intensified 6 million fold today!
https://twitter.com/ADL_National/status/881912091116015617
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Anti-Semitic-Messages-Vandalize-New-Jersey-Synagogue-432147203.html
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/882014980052332544
They are unaccustomed to anyone who stands up to their propaganda, or questions them in any way, and they have a long history of overplaying their hand.
what would happen if whites controlled the media?
“In Germany, they use the phrase “Nazi Club” to refer to the leftist tactic of stifling right-wing resistance by tying it to Nazism.”
One of those long German words that means “using the past as a club (to beat you with).”
Lol, the democrat party is Muslim Brotherhood and we’re Issis. The leftist support Issis, not us. The Jews are worried how far the goyim will go
The alt right is Zionism for gentile whites. So far it has been less violent than Zionism, but who knows, if we succeed, maybe we’ll be defending our borders and people as avidly as Israel does now.
and as Israel bizarrely supports ISIS, we will bizarrely support Israel as a sign of respect for their ethnocentrism.
Proof Israel supports ISIS? Anymore than every side in this conflict is being Machiavelian and using them for their own purposes and doesn’t want them to go away completely?
You’re being very Talmudic.
not really, just common sense. and i actually am interested in war & geopolitics so i get more background than “ITS THE JEWS”
Israeli support for ISIS is mainstream news, and by the way, “IT IS THE JEWS.” If you don’t like the fact that people are increasingly calling out Jews for their hostility to White people, I suggest you go to the Jewish community and tell them to stop being so anti-white.
Where in the news??
Are you serious?
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-fighters-regret-attacking-israel-apologize-defense-minister-591020
Yeah, i knew you’d say that. ISIS isnt the same as al-Nusra, genius. Do some reading instead of getting all your info from alt right memes about “moderate rebels”. ISIS split off from Nusra and they’ve been fighting and killing each other just like everyone else in the Syrian civil war ratfuck. The fact that Israel wants Assad to go isnt a secret (along with the US, Turkey, the Arab Gulf States, etc..)… if it was, they wouldn’t be writing about it on the fucking Jerusalem Post (so much for the Zionist hive mind)
By twisting the facts and saying Israel is supporting ISIS (the group that directly carried out or inspired so many terrorist attacks in Europe and the US) you’re intentionally repeating tired politically motivated disinfo designed to blame Jews and Israel for every single bad thing in the world. If anything Turkey was much more involved in supporting ISIS (anyone that kills Kurds is ay-okay to them) but that eventually backfired on them. See, war and geopolitics is messy and complicated – not like a funny happy merchant meme.
https://media.giphy.com/media/NwMbP0rQ3Az8Q/giphy.gif
Your defense of Israel is noted. You realize Hasbara is hiring, right?
I’m sorry you feel bad that Jews are blamed for things, by uppity goyims, no less, but the connection between ISIS and Israel is pretty well known.
I mean, where do all those ISIS flags come from anyway? There’s literally made in Israel:
http://jewishjournal.com/news/israel/133913/
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Dozens-of-Islamic-State-flags-found-in-Nazareth-Illit-378252
Thats it? So if police find a garbage bag full of ISIS flags in Russia, or Iran, does that mean Russia and Iran are supporting ISIS ? Are you retarded?
Thanks for playing!
so bad lol
“Yeah, i knew you’d say that. ISIS isnt the same as al-Nusra, genius. Do
some reading instead of getting all your info from alt right memes about
“moderate rebels”. ISIS split off from Nusra and they’ve been fighting
and killing each other just like everyone else in the Syrian civil war
ratfuck.
Do you have proof that they are fighting each other? I’m not aware of any reports of ISIS and al-Nusra fighting. It seems entirely possible to me that ISIS and Al-Nusra stand in much the same relation as the IRA and Sinn Fein – the latter being the “respectable” face of the former.
I don’t believe that Israel is the sole supporter of ISIS or even the most important one. But it seems likely to me that they have a hand in. Why wouldn’t they?
Tell us, do you believe that the U.S. Government itself is supporting ISIS? Or is it not?
1. ISIS vs Nusra , al-Sham and other western backed groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-rebel_conflict_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War
2. I don’t rule out that Israel is supporting ISIS, because anything is possible. But thats different than smugly stating that this is a proven fact because you want to be edgy and talk shit about Israel and Jews
I dont think the US govt itself is supporting ISIS. as i said, ISIS shit on Obamas legacy of “Vietnamization” in Iraq and withdrawl of US troops by taking large areas of Iraq including Mosul while the Iraqi army fled.. areas only now being retaken after 3 years
Further, the US has been blowing the shit out of ISIS for years (including all the kit it stole from the Iraqis), saved Kobani and the Kurds from them
“ISIS vs Nusra , al-Sham and other western backed groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…”
Of course that article says that that at least some elements of ISIS and Al-Nusra are allied.
“I don’t rule out that Israel is supporting ISIS, because anything is possible. But thats different than smugly stating that this is a proven fact because you want to be edgy and talk shit about Israel and Jews.”
You asked for evidence. I offered some. The fact that an organization that is willing to (rhetorically, at least) take on virtually the entire World, and the World’s greatest military power in particular, and yet is squeamish about offending the arab worlds ostensible bete noir, seems odd. It is known that Israel is supporting some groups in Syria. You don’t rule out that Israel is supporting ISIS. So, if they are, what should our position vis-a-vis that support be? What should FOX news viewers (for example) – who are routinely assured that ISIS is the current Hitler and that Israel is our greatest ally – think?
“I dont think the US govt itself is supporting ISIS.”
And yet, US Centcom theatre headquarters are in Qatar, and Qatar is known
to support ISIS. IS US Centcom unaware of that fact? Do they not care?
But you have no real proof. As i said, Israel is strong. ISIS gains nothing by forcing the Israelis to strike it. Plus its a hard target, a lot more secure than ie Turkey. As it is, Israel is hitting Hezbollah and occasionally SAA forces – two of ISIS’s main enemies on the ground (other than western backed factions). When you have something more substantial, like a wikileaks saying Mossad is coordinating with or bankrolling ISIS, then I’ll change my mind. Until then, its just anti-Semitic (not that i care) motivated agitprop “of course the Jews are behind the evil terrorists who routinely slaughter Europeans”
The only actual mention of Qatar supporting ISIS is this quote from the hacked Podesta email to Hillary, which cites actual intelligence sources that I presume he was privy to:
1. Firstly, if you take this email as true because it reveals the Saudi/Qatari connection to ISIS, and i dont see why we shouldn’t, you should accept the whole email. In this message that was supposed to be confidential, there was extensive talk about how best to defeat ISIS. ie: not “hey lets keep helping ISIS because it’s actually run by the CIA”. So all that bullshit can end right there. Also, no mention of Israel.
2. Maybe they’ve dealt with those elements in the Saudi and Qatari states.. but even if they didn’t/can’t .. what are they gonna do, close the base? move it to Iran lol?
btw if you want to make proper quotes just surround the text with Text (just make blockquote one word)
Ok…
But you have no real proof. As i said, Israel is strong. ISIS gains nothing by forcing the Israelis to strike it. Plus its a hard target, a lot more secure than ie Turkey. As it is, Israel is hitting Hezbollah and occasionally SAA forces – two of ISIS’s main enemies on the ground (other than western backed factions). When you have something more substantial, like a wikileaks saying Mossad is coordinating with or bankrolling ISIS, then I’ll change my mind. Until then, its just anti-Semitic (not that i care) motivated agitprop “of course the Jews are behind the evil terrorists who routinely slaughter Europeans”
The only actual mention of Qatar supporting ISIS is this quote from the hacked Podesta email to Hillary, which cites actual intelligence sources that I presume he was privy to:
1. Firstly, if you take this email as true because it reveals the Saudi/Qatari connection to ISIS, and i dont see why we shouldn’t, you should accept the whole email. In this message that was supposed to be confidential, there was extensive talk about how best to defeat ISIS. ie: not “hey lets keep helping ISIS because it’s actually run by the CIA”. So all that bullshit can end right there. Also, no mention of Israel.
2. Maybe they’ve dealt with those elements in the Saudi and Qatari states.. but even if they didn’t/can’t .. what are they gonna do, close the base? move it to Iran lol?
btw if you want to make proper quotes just use
“That doesn’t mean that they dont strategically utilize ISIS by letting
Assads forces (and Iranian backed Hezbollah) expend lives and material
fighting it, but that’s not the same as Al Baghdadi doing conference
calls with Langley every day and being on the US govt payroll”
It’s also not the same as the Captain-America style rhetoric employed by government officials and media opinion-makers when talking about the war in Syria. All of it, by the way, in furtherance of a cause that I don’t give a single solitary shit about, nor does it further any tangible interests of me or my people, nor am I alone in that sentiment.
Im not debating the merrits of intervention in Syria, just fact checking shit like “isis = mossad”.
Also it doesnt really matter if you care about Syria or not. US foreign policy is run by a combination of elected officials, spooks, military and state department. Just like Russian foreign policy or Chinese foreign policy or Israeli foreign policy. And the US is a super power, super powers project power by definition, and they’re gonna project it in strategic places like the Middle East, not Trinidad.
“Im not debating the merrits of intervention in Syria, just fact checking shit like “isis = mossad”.”
I’ve never said any such thing. What shadows are you boxing here?
Umm.. i know you didn’t. This whole thread started when you replied to me after I addressed Hipster Racist’s canards. For your credit you’re probably hold more nuanced work views than him
Hipster Racist, though I often disagree with him, has more to say that is interesting and worthwhile than you do. Much more. You, on the other hand, could be replaced by an hour of FOX News.
yeah, like what?.. every post is “its the jews”. okay, we heard you first 500 times. hes kind of preaching to the choir here. whats the point?
“The only actual mention of Qatar supporting ISIS is this quote from the hacked Podesta email to Hillary, which cites actual intelligence sources that I presume he was privy to:
“”While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.””
You misread it. That part was not what Podesta wrote – it was what Hillary Clinton wrote to him. And while she knew that Qatar and Saudi Arabia were supporting ISIS, the Clinton Foundation was accepting millions of dollars in donations from the governments of those same countries.
“1.Firstly, if you take this email as true because it reveals the Saudi/Qatari connection to ISIS, and i dont see why we shouldn’t, you should accept the whole email. In this message that was supposed to be confidential, there was extensive talk about how best to defeat ISIS. ie: not “hey lets keep helping ISIS because it’s actually run by the CIA”. So all that bullshit can end right there. Also, no mention of Israel.”
They don’t talk about ultimately deafeating ISIS, just fighting it. Yes, I’ve no doubt that fighting it – or something like it – forever, is what is desired by those pushing the conflict. Anyway, who thinks that Hillary Clinton would tell Podesta everything she knows, or indeed that the CIA would tell Hillary Clinton everything that it knows. Hillary clinton is an agent of the people who own her – a tool – she isn’t a prime mover.
“btw if you want to make proper quotes just surround the text with
Text (just make blockquote one
word)”
When I want to make proper quotes, I use quotation marks. That’s what they are for. I hardly need to take stylistic advice from somebody who punctuates every other sentence with “LOL”, which, btw, makes you sound like a retard.
ah, so the conspiracy is deeper than that. good to know, let me know when you have proof
“But you have no real proof. As i said, Israel is strong. ISIS gains
nothing by forcing the Israelis to strike it.”
And the U.S. isn’t?
“When you have something more substantial, like a wikileaks saying Mossad is coordinating with or bankrolling ISIS, then I’ll change my mind. Until then, its just
anti-Semitic (not that i care)…..”
Evidently, you very much do.
“And the U.S. isn’t?”
yeah, they are. so which is it? isnt the US controlled by ZOG? why are they even bombing ISIS anyway. fuck
“Im not debating the merrits of intervention in Syria, just fact checking shit like “isis = mossad”.”
Yes, you are. By taking the line “it’s just something that great powers do, therefore we do it”, you do seem to be arguing for it. Japan isn’t doing it, and Japan is a healthier country than we are. This great game bulls**t doesn’t serve the interests of american citizens.
Maybe i am a little bit, in that im saying it’s basically human nature. If tribes weren’t ambitious – and if this behavior wasn’t conductive to outcompeting rivals – we’d still be living in small villages instead of city states, nations, empires. Its kind of like patriachies.
“And about Japan being “healthier” – other than the obvious longevity benefits of being rich enough to afford healthcare and eating lots of fish – that’s pretty subjective. Have you actually been there?”
Yes. I lived and worked there for three years.
“Those that have report that once you get past the cliche cultural attractions, Japan is extremely overrated.”
It isn’t. It’s a great place.
“Those that have” – i.e. not you. You have nothing but second-hand reports from people probably hostile to Japan. You get all that from the Wall Street Journal?
“Also, by the alt rights own super narrow standards, Japan is a failed state since they also have a dismal birth rate. But because there’s no Jews or non-whites to blame it on, no one talks about it. Lol”
No, it isn’t a failed state. Have you ever been outside of America? You sound like a rather parochial American, ignorant about the outside world, as indeed you are ignorant about so many things. You have little to say that’s of any interest.
Moreover, you seem to think that “LOL” is a punctuation mark. It makes you sound stupid. Well, that and nearly everything you say.
“Yeah, i knew you’d say that. ISIS isnt the same as al-Nusra, genius.”
So, if they’re only supporting Al-Nusra (an Al-Quaeda derived group)………is that okay then. Al Quaeda are the good guys now?
“By twisting the facts and saying Israel is supporting ISIS (the group
that directly carried out or inspired so many terrorist attacks in
Europe and the US) you’re intentionally repeating tired politically
motivated disinfo designed to blame Jews and Israel for every single bad
thing in the world.”
No, I don’t think he is. He is just pointing out that the whole thing is a dirty game being played by a bunch of middle-easterners for their own reasons – and that the actual people of the West have no stake in it.
No its not “okay” but who cares what I think. Most countries who have been involved in conflict have a history of supporting bad guys in enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend .. the US included.. remember the Cold War?
Most of his posts are “counter” semitic in some way. Thats his schtick
And i don’t know about the “actual” people of the West but the West has been mucking about in the affairs of other countries since they learned how to make ships. And as per the middle east specifically the past 100 years certainly haven’t been an exception with the British, French, and the Americans. Aren’t all these middle eastern borders bullshit anyway, drawn up on napkins by the victorious powers after WW2, to divide and weaken the Arabs tribes?
“No its not “okay” but who cares what I think.”
Not I, certainly. I’m sure I’m not alone here.
“Most countries who have been involved in conflict have a history of supporting bad guys in enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend .. the US included.. remember the Cold War?”
And how well does that work out? The point that a lot of people have been making in the last 15 years or so is………..not very well. Those cynical geo-political games seem to amuse the hostile-elites and their servitors in the organs of the state, but they don’t actually do much to promote the well-being of this country. The evidence of which is that we have gotten steadily more f**ked up as a nation. Saying that it happens is not the same as saying that it is desirable.
“Most of his posts are “counter” semitic in some way. Thats his schtick.”
Sure, if you’re a witch-finder, sniffing out dissent.
Thats what I’m saying.. Its not just the last 15 years. The cold war, where CIA brought in militants to fuck up the Soviets in Afghanistan, ultimately contributing to the USSR’s collapse. You don’t like communists, do you? Or the US supporting various right wing death squads and regimes in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia while the Soviets supported Socialist regimes and armed and trained leftist paramilitary groups..
Which is similar to the Great Game in the 19th century, with the British, French, Turks and Russians all vying for control of the Eastern theater
That things have gotten more “fucked up” (in your opinion) may be related, or may be unrelated. You’re making an emotional appeal at this point, instead of addressing reality. You probably don’t have a problem with your beloved Nazi Reich fucking with all sorts of countries during its brief existence, of course.
“Thats what I’m saying.. Its not just the last 15 years. The cold war, where CIA brought in militants to fuck up the Soviets in Afghanistan, ultimately contributing to the USSR’s collapse. You don’t like communists, do you?”
Of the late Soviet kind? I like them better than muslims.
“Or the US supporting various right wing death squads and regimes in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia while the Soviets supported Socialist regimes and armed and trained leftist paramilitary groups.”
And how did all of that make America a better or more stable nation? Thanks to our f**king around in central America, we now have hordes of Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, and Nicaraguans streaming into the country. Thanks to our f**king around in Somalia, we now have Somalians.
“Which is similar to the Great Game in the 19th century, with the British, French, Turks and Russians all vying for control of the Eastern theater”
And how did that benefit the average Brit, Frenchman, Turk or Russian?
“That things have gotten more “fucked up” (in your opinion) may be related, or may be unrelated.”
It’s related.
“You’re making an emotional appeal at this point, instead of addressing
reality.”
The only one I see hear disconnected from reality is you.
“You probably don’t have a problem with your beloved Nazi Reich fucking with all sorts of countries during its brief existence, of course.”
And why do you say that? Have I ever said anything here to indicate that I am an NS or a Hitler admirer? Can you point to anything that would justify that? You are just acting on an emotional assumption that anyone who disagrees with you must be a nazi, I suppose.
“Of the late Soviet kind? I like them better than muslims.”
oi vey i thought all soviets were jews right?
“And how did all of that make America a better or more stable nation? Thanks to our f**king around in central America, we now have hordes of Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, and Nicaraguans streaming into the country. Thanks to our f**king around in Somalia, we now have Somalians.”
those people were gonna come anyway. also, isolationism
“And how did that benefit the average Brit, Frenchman, Turk or Russian?”
i dont know, WHO CARES?
“No, I am addressing reality. The reality that what we are doing now is what we’ve been doing for about 70 years (or longer), and all it has gotten us is what we are today – a failing country, in which white people will soon no longer be in the majority. It is you that strikes me as disconnected from reality.”
that doesnt have shit to do with it. American interventionism is a symptom of its power. People say that if the US took apart its nukes and closed its military bases the USD would take a huge shit. you dont understand how this shit works anymore than i do, but i do know human nature, and nations with power try to project that power..
the Soviet Union was doing the same shit all around the world for 70 years, what about them? and after their collapse, Russia, with an economy a fraction of the US, even poorer than the USSR, is fucking around in Syria etc – how does that benefit joe Ivan?
“those people were gonna come anyway. also, isolationism”
No, not necessarily. Since Vietnam, U.S. Military involvement in a country always leads to streams of people from that country coming here
“Isolationism”. Yeah, that’s always what guys like you say. F**k your finger-pointing at isolationism. There’s nothing wrong with it.
“i dont know, WHO CARES?”
You don’t know many things.
“that doesnt have shit to do with it. American interventionism is a symptom of its power. People say that if the US took apart its nukes and closed its military bases the USD would take a huge shit. you dont understand how this shit works anymore than i do, but i do know human nature, and nations with power try to project that power..”
And who on the alt-right has ever advocated that America unilaterally disarm? Nobody. This is a straw-man of your making. You come off as a cretin. I don’t think you understand much at all. Just another neo-con armchair warrior.
“the Soviet Union was doing the same shit all around the world for 70 years, what about them? and after their collapse, Russia, with an economy a fraction of the US, even poorer than the USSR, is fucking around in Syria etc – how does that benefit joe Ivan?”
It doesn’t. If I were Russian, I’d be against it, not that their virtual dictator Putin would care.
I don’t think there is much of any reason to pay attention to what you say in future. You seem to be intent on carrying water for failed policies.
I don’t even know what your argument is. You’re a nobody, like me, you’re never going to hold power. Even if there was some ethnofascist white state in America, the new foreign policy establishment wouldn’t be asking you for permission if they want to have some foreign adventure – even less so than now, because no elections
ISIS is certainly pretty careful not to antagonize Israel:
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-fighters-regret-attacking-israel-apologize-defense-minister-591020
“Proof Israel supports ISIS? Anymore than every side in this conflict is being Machiavelian and using them for their own purposes and doesn’t want them to go away completely?”
Using them for their own purposes and not wanting them to go away? Sounds like some kind of support to me.
ISIS actually apologized to israel for something or other and i hear that israel treats ISIS soldiers in their hospitals
Yeah like Turkey? The gulf states? Russia? (theyre there officially for ISIS) Assad? (every time they hit western proxies they claim its isis)
btw ISIS not trying to provoke Israel while it fights with 1000 other enemies doesn’t = israel supporting ISIS
“(every time they hit western proxies they claim its isis)”
Or, everytime they hit ISIS, it turns out to be a western proxy.
And what makes them western proxies, exactly? I don’t know a single person who thinks the U.S. ought to be supporting any armed islamic group anywhere. Who is supporting them exactly?
“btw ISIS not trying to provoke Israel while it fights with 1000 other enemies doesn’t = israel supporting ISIS”
ISIS has no problem antagonizing the UK or, indirectly, the U.S., but………for some reason………they refrain from even talking about Israel. If they are – as you claim – fighting “1000” enemies, what is one more?
1. SDF, whatever is left of FSA, and al-Sham (with help from Turkey there). The gulf arabs are probably more involved with Nusra (or whatever its current rebranding is), which is a bit too hot for the west. Im not making a moral judgment here btw, im just stating the facts.
2. ISIS is already at war with the US/UK and western backed proxies. It doesn’t need a war with Israel (it claimed it would “uproot the Jewish state” back in 2015″, much else since other than a stabbing attack they took credit for in January, probably some guys going off the reservation). .. Israel is a very strong regional power, a sleeping giant, and could make life very difficult for ISIS if provoked. I wouldn’t put it past ISIS, in its death throes, to try to strike Israel and bring it more into the confict if they’re fucked anyway (like their provocations of Iran) but the Israelis would probably be smart enough to stick to air/drone/artillery strike responses and not actually invade Syria with ground forces.
you probably not going to find proof in the (((media)))
lol of course
why shouldnt we?
But the alt right is dangerous. We actually defend ourselves when attacked by antifa and its allies.
Meanwhile Israel is acting as ISIS Airforce in plain view and even Lamestream Cuck Media covers it.
If the Alt Right is now ISIS, does that mean they will start receiving support from Qatar and Israel?
Let those sheckels and dinars roll!
That’s right. If we play our cards right we might even get European citizenships, free money and white wimminz.
Hilarious!!!!!
We already are. Looked at the numbers for Trump support in Israel? Very high. Jews are playing 4d chess, not the alt-right and certainly not Trump. Trump is another in a long line of Manchurian candidates. Not controled by Russia, but by Zionists. And the alt-right has been played by the Zionist like every other movement allowed to flourish in ZOG.
No, because its not black and white you retard. Leftist Jews in New York aren’t the same as actual Israeli Jews living in Haifa or some shit worrying about Hezbollah rockets (well, at least until Iron Dome basically made them obsolete)
Israelis didn’t like Obama because hes part of third worldist leftism (as some diaspora Jews are as well) and not very friendly with actual Zionists
There’s some overlap of course but real life is a bit more complicated than the Daily Stormer world view. Many Israelis think the Europeans are retarded for taking so many migrants.. because they’ve become “based” by living in the actual middle east
Israels aren’t actually based though
they’re pretty based.. Look how many times they’ve been at war with their arab neighbors. Plus mandatory military service. Theres probably a lot of peacenicks by now but for every one of those there will be one who wants to slaughter the Arabs
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-to-host-israels-main-gay-pride-parade-report/
F**kin’ based, man.
Nope. Hezbolla stopped them in 2006.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/59/590bb16d560270844306936bd950d83146fb38e0deac3331a7200911b87bd3ee.jpg
You’re so knowledgeable and thorough about the Israeli-Arab conflict, do you have a blog or something??
Many Israelis think the Europeans are retarded for taking so many
migrants.. because they’ve become “based” by living in the actual middle
east
lol, who do the israelis think is behind it? its the jews
these sites should have an age requirement
The GOP are using nationalists the way they used evangelicucks in the 80’s and 90’s
*Starts Crowdsourcing for Beheading Videos*
Or National Action for that matter.
If we were just like ISIS, these idiots would already be dead.
Issis doesn’t target jews
INB4 “they are going to call us ISIS anyway so we may as well be ISIS!”
Jews have a very limited imagination – everyone they hate is a “Nazi” so even the Muslims are “Islamo-fascists.” It really says nothing about the Alt Right and everything about Jews.
Jews do not seem to have the capacity for empathy or self-reflection that normal people have. A frequent commenter suggests they are a “tribe of psychopaths” or at the least collectively display those symptoms.
Certainly you are dealing with textbook narcissism, at the least. Jews seem to believe they are the center of the world, the only actors, and all other people (of any race or any culture) only exist in relation to Jews.
Race realist types discuss IQ differences quite a bit, because it’s easy to measure IQ. But one wonders if different races and ethnic groups actually differ in basic cognition apart from a simple test of symbol manipulation. Recent genetic studies have looked at various genes and their influence on personality types that go even deeper than the “OCEAN” “Big Five Factor” personality inventories. Of course Jews have a reputation and often self-identify as “neurotic” – The Occidental Observer even ran a review of a Jewish film praising neurosis as a “higher level of consciousness.”
You kind of have to think of Jews as political partisans. In the same way that Democrats and Republicans don’t even try to understand each other’s viewpoints but merely demonize the other side, Jews tend to behave as if there is a “Jew party” and a “Gentile party” and simply demonize non-Jews without even a pretense of empathy for the “other side” or even an attempt to understand their perceived opponents.
In my opinion white traitors are worse than Jews acting in what they perceive as Jews’ best interest.
Jews do not seem to have the capacity for empathy or self-reflection that normal people have.
probably because they are the very racists and supremacists they accuse everyone else of being
Goldberg, Goldberg, Goldberg, didn’t he try to sell me a watch one time at the mall?
probably some jewelry at 500% markup
“Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands and an infinite scorn in our hearts” Benito Mussolini
Saute Duce!
Meh, he’s kinda right. If given the chance we’d purge sooooo many traitors; It’d be a mess.