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How Euro-Skepticism Destroyed British Nationalism

Richard Spencer discusses Theresa May’s catastrophic victory in the 2017 General Election, how UKIP was ruined by its success, and how British nationalism paid the price for focusing on “Euro-Skepticism.”

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AngleCynn937
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If anything, Euroland, (and it’s corrupted, arrogant, unelected, so-called politicians) has undoubtedly bought nationalism to the fore.

Archie K.
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The British elites have always hated the people. My great grandmother was sent oversees as a “home child” at age 7. According to an account by her siblings, her parents put her in an orphanage as a temporary measure, they came back for her after three months had passed, but she was already shipped out, to face 10 years of hard labor in Canada. She never saw her family again.

Halford Mackinder
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The proper critique of UKIP is not that it absorbed nationalist tendencies – which is true but incidental – rather it is that UKIP was a single-issue party and when that issue was disposed of it couldn’t do anything but die.

Synagogue Of Satan
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Against their will, Negroes were brought to this country by slave traders–a large number of whom were Jewish–and sold to greedy white southern aristocrats who owned tracts of acreage too large for one family to work. It’s true that the percentage of white southerners who owned slaves was exceedingly small, yet their unbounded greed and desire to be big shots in the New World (which they were NOT in the Old one) was emblematic of a spiritual malady which left an indelible stain on the history of this nation, and a stain the consequences of which we in the 21st… Read more »
))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

British IDM Electronica Genius…….

BOW DOWN……..

craicher
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Empty, hollow, mdma inspired, darkness. Also, homos like this.

Rollingthunder
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Freedom from Brussels is a necessary but insufficient condition for the revival of British nationalism and the UK’s ability to determine its own destiny — economic, cultural, and demographic. The EU superstate is, in the final analysis, the enemy of all people whose nations are brought into it or influenced by it.

Scott Schroeder
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No one has to be more careful of what they can say than a politician. As in America, anti-whitism is still firmly in power in Great Britain. Our job is to put pro-whitism firmly in power. After we’ve won the propaganda war, no anti-white politician will even be able to get on the ballot let alone elected. The group that controls public opinion is the group in power.

Syd
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Nick Griffin did more for British nationalism than anyone since Mosley. He worked courageously and tirelessly, preventing WW3 by brokering peace in Syria. The bnp was crushed by zog and he was thrown out in a zog coup. Younger people are mostly judeo-globalist socialists and the future is very bleak. No sane Englishman trusts a frog or German either, history is history

WHAT
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>eternal anglo yaps about trust
>trust about continental powers especially

Lel.

Bannon Dale
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Except for the alt-right which grows by the day among youngsters.

harman1
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Griffin made grave mistakes,he was surrounded for the most part by men of character. Financial
impropriety and ego got in the way.Whilst Zog is ever present the BNP was also destroyed by its own from within.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Nick Griffin was a Cuck fag on Question Time with David Dimbleby. His career was OVER after that.

davidex
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I assume you are American. Griffin dedicated his life to Nationalism in the UK and at its zenith the BNP WAS breaking into mainstream politics. Griffin underestimated the determination of the Brit state to utterly destroy the Party using all the “democratic” institutions at its disposal – the Courts, the BBC, the Police, the Press and of course MI5. The BNP’s entire membership list was published on line not once, but twice. He may have been a flawed individual, but who isn’t? Consider the conflicts that have arisen amongst US alt-right leaders (Richard Spencer, Greg Johnson and Daniel Friberg). These… Read more »
DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

Damn, that would have been an impossible crowd to win over even for the best – Johnson, Taylor, etc.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Wrong. See how David Duke handled his appearance on Donahue for how a White Advocate deals with a hostile audience.

craicher
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Wow. He bungled that. Then again the deck was stacked.

Never play by their rules. Get our talking points out. Don’t grovel. Don’t apologize. Don’t play their game.

Syd
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Whatever

Yehudah Finkelstein
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As Moly says, Not an argument. The BNP collapsed after Griffin took over. They would have been better off with Brons or Tyndall leading the BNP.

Syd
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Griffinite here

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Why? He drove the BNP off a cliff. Even during his time in office, Brons was better and just plowed ahead and ignored the interviewers with pro white talking points.

silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

The BNP made enormous, unprecedented and unparalleled strides under Griffin. That may not be saying a great deal, but it’s true. I don’t know why things collapsed so suddenly at the peak of the BNP’s popularity.

Syd
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He was brilliant which is why they had to crush him

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Obviously Nick Griffin was not brilliant.

See how he destroyed the BNP for proof. But he had a Cambridge degree!

craicher
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I challenge anyone to live in England, get to the know the nation, the people, the streets and then come away believing their is hope for England or the UK. I used to live in Brighton and that was a better place. The UK is beyond repair. And that is not just with the immigrants. The degeneration of the English people is past the point of no return. Get to know some English people and find out how much honor they have. How trustworthy they are. I’m sure there are some good people in England and the UK and I… Read more »
craicher
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I have no hope for Britain. It is like Yockney says once an Empire falls it is gone forever. I even think the English language will fall by the wayside in coming decades. Once the Asians realize the rot and decline in the West they will lose interest. The Chinese are now building their own self sustaining systems where they will not need the West. Once they are powerful enough they will demand that we learn Chinese to deal with them. This is, of course, 50 years or so in the future. A resurgence of Europe will only come from… Read more »
Syd
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Most Chinese I talk to are appalled by the state of Britain and justifiably view us as finished.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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No one is going to learn Chinese, despite the efforts of the Chicoms. It is an impossibly complex tongue.

Syd
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I speak it, it’s logical and quite easy although the writting is complex and difficult

Yehudah Finkelstein
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You speak it, yet you can’t write Chinese. Languages that don’t survive in written form die out.

Syd
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Actually I write it as well, about 1,000 characters. I could read an easy newspaper when I lived there. The characters are a barrier but fascinating

Yehudah Finkelstein
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I bet you have a 100 plus IQ. Most people do not have the intelligence to learn to read and write a language like Chinese or Japanese. It’s why English will dominate the world.

craicher
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As the English speaking world declines (unless there is a resurgeance) then so will the language. Just as Rome. When American is a third world cess pool no one will care about English anymore.

Bannon Dale
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White Americans won’t stand for it. We will carve out a piece for ourselves, and ourselves only. An the only ones trying to stop us will be Jews and muds.

Syd
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Cheers, I finished school at 15, working-class lad and believe my IQ to be average. I’m interested in languages but it’s just rote learning, retard wogs learn them

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The working class decide the world. Marx knew this back in 1848. Idiots ignore the working class their own peril (SEE: Tsar Nicholas, Kaiser Wilhelm, Reza Pahlavi, Hillary Clinton).

Most third world shitskins are not as smart as the white or Asian working and peasant classes who inspired Marx and Mao, and don’t have the intelligence to learn a hard language like Chinese or Russian.

Syd
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I wholeheartedly agree, it’s the upper-class tossers who’ve got us into this. Soulless scum only concerned about status

Yehudah Finkelstein
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But if you think Marx or Mao were right about anything, you’re a Commie!

Syd
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Was a Maoist in my younger years but full fascist now, only solution

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Never been a Maoist, obviously once in power Mao was a moron, but the man was a political genius to mobilize a billion heathen Chinee at his beck and call. The destruction of entrenched shibboleths and taboos by Mao during the Cultural Revolution is something the Alt Right should seriously look at. Forget BS about “White Sharia.”

Syd
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Europeans don’t treat our women like that. Mao like many Chinese emperors became besotted by power and paranoid. He really was quite brilliant especially in the context of that time. If you read Chinese history many of the ancient emperors started out revolutionary and succommed to megalomania and paranoia.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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My personal favorite in Chinese history was the Dowager Empress Cixi. Never let a woman hold power unless she’s a Warrior Goddess!

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harman1
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Warrior goddess speaking!LOL

Syd
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Good choice, didn’t pay to get on the wrong side of her

Mister Kidd
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Richard!

This is a song that needs to be made ours! Please make a video about how this song applies to the last 70 years. It is the anthem of the moment. It is the song of the Zeitgeist of our people!

Kate Hikes
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Nice effort, but it’s clear that Spencer doesn’t really know a great deal about British politics. A few notes on UKIP. Essentially, there are three groups that comprise UKIP: traditionalist conservatives who feel left behind by the modern Tory party; libertarians of various types, and; working class ‘conservative socialists’ hostile to mass immigration. These groups do not have not much in common; indeed, their interests often directly collide. The first and second can be work together, as can the first and third. The difficulty is that each group can go elsewhere: the first can go to the Tories; the second… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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what he suggests is great for the new world, it isn’t really practical for the old world.

I’ve seen this issue come up in the pro-white movement consistently, Euro micro-nationalists always signaling against “white” nationalism because it’s American (which is true) and Americans simply bewildered at the complex permutations of nationalism in Europe.

But I’ve never understood why we just can’t have both: nationalisms for Europe and a big tent White nationalism in America. Problem solved.

Halford Mackinder
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The best rhetorical response to the idea that “white” can’t ever be a salient national identity is that at one time there were people who fought tooth and nail against the idea of a “French” nation, an “Italian” nation and a “German” nation. After all, prior to 1871 there was no such thing as a political “German” or “German nation;” there were Prussians, Franconians, Swabians, Schleswig-Holsteinians, etc. And people said that there was no way these disparate ethnic groups could be welded into a “nation.”

eyeslevel
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No one’s being attacked today because they’re Scots or Poles. They’re being attacked because they’re white. Since we’re being attacked as a group, some pro-whites suggest maybe we should defend ourselves as a group. White Germans are not an existential threat to white Frenchmen today. Their own traitorous leaders acting in concert across national boundaries are the threat. The problem for any particular white ethnicity today is not another ethnicity, it’s the anti-whites. And the enemy is not “globalism.” No “globalist” is flooding Japan with millions and millions of non-Japanese. The problem isn’t the EU, it’s that fact that government… Read more »
SLCain
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“No one’s being attacked today because they’re Scots or Poles.”

I am not a citizen of the UK, but my understanding is that – in Britain – Poles are often attacked “as Poles”, and often for the simple reason that they are one of the only kind of foreigners that one is permitted to criticize,……….because they are white.

Bannon Dale
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Indeed embracing whiteness and preserving unique European cultures is the preferred best case scenario we all should wish for. Also USA white COUNTRY culture should be preserved. That is WN, in essence.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Or you have idiots like Nigel Farage creating new ethnic resentments against “Polish plumbers” while saying that Pakis and Jamaicans are the real British people.

Lucy Lipinska
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Spot on, eyeslevel. Anti-whites (most of them from the chosen tribe) definitely are masters at inspiring hostility and even hatred among us, the white Europeans. Naturally, most people have no idea who is behind this nowadays highly irrelevant “concern” about whether or not one has purely German/Swedish or Polish roots. Not quite surprisingly, many of the “concerned” ones (instigators if you ask me) pose as great patriots. So is anyway the case in Poland, where they so masterly incite hatred for Russians with reference to the “impending military aggression” and for Germans with reference to a financial taking over.

Kate Hikes
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Precisely. There’s no reason why both can’t exist in their respective locations.

Johnny Fascismo
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“we cannot just begin to see ourselves as merely White in the same way that Americans can and have.” I agree 100%. Pan-Europeanism is cool as a group strategy against a common existential threat but as a concept for long term nation building it is a mistake. I don’t think “white nationalism” even really works in the American context. After all the “darkies” are removed a lot of the old time rivalries between European groups that have faded into the background for now will begin to re-emerge. I’m against the idea of a proposition nation and it doesn’t stop at… Read more »
Crud Bonemeal
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It’s weird how Western Europe refuses to fight, despite all the cultural advantages they have.

Johnny Fascismo
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It continues to baffle and frustrate me. Especially Sweden. No history of Colonialism, Slavery, WWII guilt or anything of the sort. I just don’t get it.

craicher
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Sweden had a large empire ruling over Baltic and Slavic and Finnic people. Karl XII lost it at the Battle of Poltava. But most Swedes have no clue about this. Their education system purposely makes them historically ignorant. For the Swede history started at the holohoax.

Johnny Fascismo
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I was unaware. Thanks for correcting me. You learn something new everyday.

Syd
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I’ve known Swedish women, they have a guilt complex about being affluent Europeans and find their own culture boring.

Hipster Racist
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How are you not just making trouble? You aren’t an American, you’re Canadian, and no one cares that you’re Italian, except for you. In North America you’re just “whitey” and if you want to play up being a wop and only marry a wop girl, no one cares at all. Canada is literally being bought up by the Yellow Horde and you want to LARP as the Godfather lest you lose your identity to the Anglos you pretend to hate? The old time rivalries are not going to begin to reemerge at all – that’s just your LARPing. You are,… Read more »
harman1
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I disagree,we are distinct,we must remain distinct.

Johnny Fascismo
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Some regional cultures are distinct and should be preserved. To be fair America has done a better job of building a National Identity than Canada has (I live in Canada) but in my view both National Identities are artificial. Abandoning our old world identities for new world ones was a mistake.

harman1
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We belong to the white race regardless of distinct cultures.The links forge with other European Nationalists is the way forward now.I don’t see this as an either or paradigm?

Johnny Fascismo
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I see White Nationalism as a post-American ideology. Regardless of what the founding fathers “meant” to say, America has evolved into a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society. White Nationalists taking over America and deporting all non-whites is probably never going to happen. Secession is more likely and I personally would rather return to Europe than be part of either a white ethno-state on American soil or Americas multi-ethnic future. At the end of the day being white has very little meaning to me, being Italian actually describes who and what I am. Thats just me though, a lot of people are perfectly… Read more »
Rob
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How many whites in the US are distinct? Very few. I am half German, quarter Swede, and of course quarter Scottish. 90% of whites came here from 1870-1940. The first two of these generations probably stayed within their nationality, but they eventually intermarried with other Euro nationalities. I am proud of being who I am and of my ethnic background, but I am an American of European descent, and that is an accurate description of the majority of whites in America. Very few purebreds around unless they are relatively new arrivals.

Johnny Fascismo
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Thats true, there has been a lot of breeding between white groups in America. For many identifying as American or Canadian is a must. It just doesn’t apply to me.

Rob
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I think it is cool you are pure Italian, but most whites are mixed, especially ones that are from families that have been around awhile here in the US.

Syd
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I agree, I’m English and for better or worse am more comfortable with my own although I have pan white solidarity

Johnny Fascismo
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Yeah. I have no ill will towards other white groups and I wish them best. To some it is triggering that I don’t simply identify with the colour of my skin. I don’t get these people.

Syd
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The two of you were at cross purposes. In the US white is a proper ethnicity because most Americans are made up of mixed European nationalities(although predominantly German/Irish) whilst someone like you naturally identifies as Italian because it’s what you are. Well done you.

Johnny Fascismo
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I don’t see why it has to be more than it is. My skepticism is meant to be contructive not deconstructive. As long as people like HR are going to get triggered by differing opinions, he’s proving Sargon the Fat Slob right about the Alt-Right being Right Wing SJW’s. It’s a bad look.

Syd
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At the end of the day we’re all white, WN groups should work together and support each other, we do. However I’m English, not a Frenchman or Spanaird, so be it.Frankly I’d be perfectly happy if Russia would conquer us, rid us of the wogs and then leave

Johnny Fascismo
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In my opinion abandoning our European identities is why whites have become so de-racinated. We need more than shared skin colour to keep our communities together. And I’m extremely skeptical about the feasibility of a white nationalist future in America or Canada. I consider myself 1) a Fascist 2) a Pro-White advocate and 3) an anti-semite. That could change when I see a tangible path forward for white nationalism, but right now there isn’t one. If I have to abandon my Italian identity it doesn’t even seem desirable. Better than the multiculturalism we have now sure, but that isn’t saying… Read more »
Syd
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Why on earth would you want to minimise your Italian identity? The Romans, Renaissance, Micehangelo, art,opera,il duce, that’s quite a pedigree. It’s what you are, it’s you. Your’e spot on, identity,fascism, anti-semite. Hope you speak Italian, I’ve travelled from Genoa to Sicily, beautiful fascinating country. Salute duce!

Scott Schroeder
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First immigration act was whites only. The founders were white nationalists.comment image

harman1
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There is nothing hollow about being white.Our race is in our soul,we can’t avoid that.I make every allowance for you being Italian.I am English,that is who I am.When I am introduced to a black person as a British man I recoil,he can never be British.Being born in a European country will never make someone European.DNA is paramount.Our culture is a product of our race.If Africans were like us Africa would look like Europe used to look.Importing other cultures is a sideshow,they will never add or enrich our culture or nations.

Syd
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He was referring to American style generic white identity, it’s empty

Johnny Fascismo
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A black person can never be British or Italian, but they can be and are American. They have contributed to the American landscape as workers, artists, soldiers etc. Personally I would give them semi-autonomous city states where they have control over their own schools, police departments etc. I would do the same for Hispanics with legit citizenship. I would end all further immigration from incompatible cultures. I would set policies to encourage a rise in White American birth rates. I would set policies to limit Jewish influence and power in America. But I don’t see America going in that direction.… Read more »
Rob
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Better sign up with some volunteer group then Johnny, because Italia, won’t be Italia for long.

Johnny Fascismo
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Thanks to America and it’s unholy alliance with Israel. I should totally embrace Anglo Americanism as my identity though and let my ancestral homeland die. Right…

Syd
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Italy doesn’t seem as cucked as northern Europe, there’s still some hope there

Hipster Racist
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Black people are less integrated into American Whiteness than Blacks are to various European nationalities. You are simply trying to reassert your lost Italian identity by deconstructing other people’s identities. The “liberals” tried to integrate Blacks into “Americanism” and it never worked because neither Whites nor Blacks wanted them to be “Americans.” Black people don’t even call themselves “African-Americans” – they are “Blacks” – Malcolm X saw to that. You should just go ahead and move to Italy and stop bothering North American Whites and stop trying to deconstruct our identity like a Jew. There is no confusion with “Whiteness”… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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I’m not trying to deconstruct American whiteness, I support their cause. I wish them the best, but like you said I’m Canadian and American White Nationalism is not my cause. I’m well aware the Chinese are colonizing Canada right now and I don’t think anything can be done to stop it. Theres neither a political solution or a popular movement against it. It is what it is. I’m just stating my honest opinions as I see them. European cultures were built organically over thousands of years and hold a lot more meaning than America and especially Canada’s attempts to create… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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North American cultures have been built organically for over half a millennium. You can deconstruct American identity into its constituent parts just like you can deconstruct British identity into English, Welsh, and Scottish. Just like you can deconstruct Spanish identity into Catalonian, Basque, and Andalusian. Italy wasn’t even a unified state until the 19th century, the USA is older. There is nothing “post-American” about White Nationalism, America is the origin of White Nationalism, literally, America is the White Nationalist state. “White” itself is basically a synonym for “American.” I’m not “attacking your personally,” you yourself have explained over and over… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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And how do you plan on getting rid of all of the non-whites who hold American citizenship? If you offer insentives for blacks to repatriate back to Africa I promise you very few will take it. Mexicans feel they have a legitimate claim to the South West portions of the US. East Asians and Middle Eastern immigrants who hold citizenship are legally entitled to be in America. Their just as American as you are right now. I know thats not how the founding fathers intended it to be, but thats what it is right now. I see the options as… Read more »
A hymn to Hermes
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Italian identity in Italy is pretty weak. Their “identity” is based on 19th century individualist liberalism like every other western nation. So to be an Italian for a huge portion is to believe “Italian” is an invalid category by which to group people. Being a patriotic Italian means believing Italy isn’t anything but lines on a map and the people who built everything quintessentially Italian were enjoying an accident of birth. Italy’s conception of itself isn’t fundamentally different from Canada’s.

Johnny Fascismo
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I disagree. Italian culture didn’t start when the country became unified. Examples of Italian culture prior to European were more regionally based, than nationally, and there remain differences between the regions, but it is still part of Italian identity. I know exactly where my family comes from and still have ties with family from the old country. Italian is my culture, Canadian is my nationality, white (or olive to be exact) is the colour of my skin. Canada doesn’t have a culture. When Trudeau says Canada is the first “post-nation” he isn’t even wrong. Canada is just a place where… Read more »
A hymn to Hermes
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You aren’t entitled to your own facts. The form of your argument is wrong and you think you can make it right by filling it up with different content. Italy is exactly as I described it. To be “Italian” is to not be Italian and it has “no culture” and people with “culture” must be imported from Africa.

Johnny Fascismo
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huh?

Hipster Racist
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How is Europe going to do it? Europe is being flooded with Muslims and most of these terrorists are citizens of European nations and were born in those nations. You’re trying to posit this is a problem unique to America when it is clearly not, all in the service of your attempt to deconstruct North American White identity/identities. “Being Canadian doesn’t mean anything to me.” Clearly, you use your status as a Canadian citizen and a resident of North America to attack White identity in Canada and North America generally. If I was a Brit born in Italy decrying how… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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Muslims are currently 2.3% of Italy (and rising). 70% of Italians do not want Islam in Italy. That is a fixable problem. The EU is a barrier standing in Italys way. Remove the barrier. Fix the problem. Oversimplifed, but I have hope. Some European countries are more screwed than others. I don’t know how Britain, France, Sweden and Germany are going to fix their problem. But I hope they all get through this invasion in the end. Once again, I’m not trying to attack white identity in general. As a group strategy against a common threat I’m fine with it.… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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I’m not offended, I just have to counter the arguments you are using constantly, they just usually come from anti-whites. It’s not often that ostensibly pro-white people use the typical Jew arguments to deconstruct my identity. “Whiteness is a social construct, there is no such thing as ‘white culture’ … Palestinians are an invented people” etc. I’m an American, my ancestors were not “immigrants” – my ancestors didn’t “immigrate” to some existing nation then “assimilate” – or refuse to assimilate. My ancestors literally conquered the North American continent, established White hegemony here, and are now the world’s sole superpower and… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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Alright to be clear, I’m not making any of those arguments that you mentioned. Whiteness isn’t a social construct, it’s a skin tone. Europeans have many different cultures. I’m Italian and am proud of my Italian culture. If I was British I would be proud of my British culture. If I was Swedish I would be proud of my Swedish culture etc. But I’m not British or Swedish. Non-White groups like the Palestinians also have a culture. I support their right to practice their culture in their own country (and the right for them to have their own country, free… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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“White” isn’t just a “skin color.” In America, “White” isn’t even just a racial designation, it’s a full fledged ethnic description, just like “Black” and “Red” and “Yellow.” We use the term “White” as an exact synonym for what used to be called “American.” We use the term “White” because we are trying to avoid confusion between “US citizen” and “actual American which is by traditional definition white.” “White American” vs. “Black American” is the same thing as “Sicilian Italian” vs. “African Italian.” Hunter Wallace recently posted the historical context of this, the earliest North American colonists referred to themselves… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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But Asians don’t describe themselves as “Yellow.” They are Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Philipino, Lao, Vietnamese and so on. Blacks do define themselves by skin color, because they were uprooted and often don’t know what part of Africa they come from. I fail to see how the argument I’m making is at all similar to anti-whites or Jews arguing that Whites have no culture. Thats seems like quite a bit of stretch.

Hipster Racist
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In America they call themselves “Asian-Americans” – “Yellow” – because they have more in common with each other than they do with White Americans. “White” is a broad ethnicity that includes Southerners, WASPs, Hoosiers, Canuks, Quebecois, white Creoles, etc. You are doing exactly what Jews and anti-Whites do – you’re trying to “deconstruct” White identity by pointing out it includes various sub-identities – “How the Irish Became White.” You do this consistently, you literally JUST DID IT in your comment, just now. “Blacks do define themselves by skin color, because they were uprooted and often don’t know what part of… Read more »
Johnny Fascismo
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Maybe it’s a Canadian vs American difference but Chinese-Canadians define themselves either as Chinese Canadian or simply Chinese. I have never heard them define themselves as Yellow. Truth be told a lot of these Asian groups don’t even get along with one another. Canada is a cultural mosaic though, not a melting pot. We’re supposed to hold onto our old country identity up here. Non-whites definently do. Whites not so much. Let me put it like this. If a blind person asks me what color my skin is I tell them white. If they ask what my ethnicity is I… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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Would you rather we called ourselves euro-americans? White is descriptive, accurate, blunt, effective, and true. No need to hyphenate. Whites are the REAL AMERICANS. I agree Europe an nationalism for europe. White nationalism for America, as was intended. This is a stupid semantic argument you keep making. I like reading comments, but your point is so far from being important. When we say white nationalism, everyone knows what we are talking about. When you speak, no one knows what you are talking about.

Johnny Fascismo
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Well before this got totally out of control, I was agreeing with the OC from Kate Hikes that European countries shouldn’t embrace an American style Pan-European nationalism. I went on to mention that I am skeptical about the real life applicability of White Nationalism in America and Canada as well. Then the usual suspects started sperging. I don’t know how WN’s plan on getting from point A to point B and I remain skeptical. Not a single WN I have talked to has anything resembling a coherant plan and I’m growing tired of trudging through the same tired arguments again… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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I just want this argument to be over. It’s not necessary and not productive.

Johnny Fascismo
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I agree. My skepticism about WN wasn’t even addressed. It never is. Just the usual accusations of LARPing, shilling and Jewry.

Hipster Racist
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Why should we address your skepticism about WN? You aren’t White, it’s none of your business. You aren’t one of us, voluntarily, you merely use these “concerns” of yours to tell us White people why we have no identity and tell us how we’re a “failed social experiment.”

Who the hell are you to demand that your “concerns” are addressed? Get bent.

Johnny Fascismo
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But I am white. The whole “White” American or Canadian thing is lacking though. It’s a physical characteristic, not a culture. We might as well band together around the colour of our hair. Groups like the Chinese are able to take over Hu-White communities with ease because they have strong group identities that Hu-Whites lack. If you want to fantasize about Americas all Hu-White and only Hu-white (not Italian, Polish, Greek etc) future thats fine. Some of us are realists and would rather not LARP all day everyday. America has turned out the way it has, because of the principles… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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I see your point. Right now WN is just spreading awareness. Things aren’t THAT bad yet for most white americans. The invaders are here, but the stock market is up. When that falls, and it will, people will want answers, and we will be here. Until then growing the movement is the plan. We take all of America back if we can. Then the world. If god is real, and he is good, then that is what he would want us to do. Filthy savages aren’t human.

Arthur Vickstrom
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Johnny, I’m close friends with an American chap who has pretty similar views regarding ethnic-nationalism / tribal identity / European-Americans emigrating to Europe, etc. He’s a mod on this forum (goes by the name Jared Yaxley):

https://www.endphase21.org/forums/forum.php

If you’re interested, stop by and tell them I sent you. I’m sure he’d love to network with you.

Johnny Fascismo
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Thanks for the referral. I’ll check it out.

Arthur Vickstrom
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HR is a WASP from the American South. The Whites who live in that part of America are overwhelmingly of British stock with a little bit of German, French, etc. immigrants who assimilated into the local ‘White culture.’ To HR’s people, ‘White’ basically equals ‘English speaking American who has ancestors that have lived in the country for hundreds of years.’ I’ve tried getting these people to embrace their British ancestry / culture but they normally won’t because their identity is closely tied to America’s Founding Fathers, the American War of Independence, and a sort of Classically Liberal White Nationalism. I… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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@AVickstrom:disqus Mostly true, but it’s pointless for Americans to ignore our nearly half a millennium of years of history and LARP as Brits. If you go down that road, “Brit” just gets deconstructed into Scots, English, and Welsh. While Canuks, Aussies and Kiwis are still closer to the Brit heritage than Americans are, we’re generally in the same position. I’d just suggest we add instead of subtract. I don’t go out of my way to distance myself from my ultimate British ancestry but neither is it useful to pretend the differences don’t exist. We may as well “become who we… Read more »
JosephtheGreat
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Finkelstein is right. At this point in the decay of western Europe any hope for separate European nationalism just seems like an absurd joke. I mean you’re being flooded with shitskins right now, you’re losing on all grounds to globalism. Eventually you’re just going to have to embrace white nationalism. There was a point in American history where we wanted to remain white protestant English but that didn’t last and eventually America just became a country for all Europeans and that’s how nationalism is defined now because now we have shitskins to worry about and whites are going to become… Read more »
Rob
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I was watching one of those Spengler videos on You Tube a couple nights ago and a guy in the comment section who spent time in Germany and had a lot of German friends stated that only 2 of the 34 guys he met while there were married with kids. Hard to keep up with even the smallest amount of immigration if you are not continuing your own species. I mean that is saying that just above 5% of German males are reproducing. If the guy was not exaggerating, it is game over and you can’t blame the Muslims with… Read more »
Kate Hikes
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Creating an identity is not a matter of desire but rather the result of historical processes that take decades and centuries to play out. Even forging together existing identities into a new one, taking elements from each, requires central government action (see 19th century France) and control of cultural production (good luck getting those in control of it at present to push for a common White identity!). It worked in the new world because people found themselves in a new land, with different political, social, environmental, etc, conditions. Why would we go through all that when we have already-formed identities… Read more »
Bingo Banjo
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You lost me at central government action.

Crud Bonemeal
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And the historical process of third world invasion is going to forge a new European identity that places the friend enemy distinction at the level of RACE, rather than nation.

Kate Hikes
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Will it? That may be how you and I might wish things to play out, but I don’t see much evidence of it I’m afraid. Could you explain why you believe that to be the case?

Mike Hammer
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Americans seem to only be able look everything through their own perspective. They look at themselves and see they are a mix of different Europeans, then look at Europe and see no difference between us. European nationalists can and should work together to preserve our different cultures and ethnicities while still being allies.

Syd
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Your’e spot on

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Most of the European tongues will be dead in the next 50 years because of the predominance of English and Globalization. Spencer is thinking long term. Embrace White Identity or become irrelevant.

Syd
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Most western Europeans will be speaking Arabic in 50 yrs

Yehudah Finkelstein
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No.

Syd
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Demographics are destiny!

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Muslims will be expelled from Europe. “If you will it, It is no dream.” -Theodor Herzl.

DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

Shomer f’ckin shabbos!!

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Syd
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Can’t predict the future, I sincerely hope your’r right. I see us in the west as irredeemable. I view a western European caliphate and the Slavs conquering it

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Muslims WILL be expelled from Europe. Don’t be so pessimistic. The Spaniards managed to expel Muslims from the Iberian Peninsula when they clung to a tiny sliver of land in Asturias.

When I say Muslims will be expelled, I mean ALL Muslims, including Albanians and Bosniaks.

DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

The Spaniards did so when life was relatively cheap. I’m not confident that Western societies will ever again find such actions acceptable – even in their own defense.

Syd
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I did say the Slavs would conquer them eventually, but we won’t be as white

Kate Hikes
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‘Most of the European tongues will be dead in the next 50 years’ What makes you think this?

Yehudah Finkelstein
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No one learns to speak Swedish, Czech, Magyar, Lithuanian, et al. Most White Europeans learn and will speak English.

Kate Hikes
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Yes, they do. Maygar, for example, is spoken by 100% of people in Hungary; it is the language of instruction in schools, and the means through which national culture is reproduced and expressed. English is spoken by roughly 20% of the population. I should imagine that the number of the English speakers will increase over time, but I see no reason to believe that it will replace Maygar.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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20 percent of Hungarians already speak English. 30 years ago, very few Hungarians spoke English, East Bloc nations had to learn Russian as their second language. How many Hungarians will speak English in 30 years? 50 percent? Clearly, English is on the upswing throughout Europe. It is the first language taught in every country except Finland, where they have to learn Swedish for some stupid reason. In the future, how many Hungarians will be speaking English and insure their children learn English? This is how languages begin to decline, people pick up another tongue and don’t see the point of… Read more »
Kate Hikes
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In 30 years, people in Hungary will use Maygar to talk to other Hungarians and to produce and reproduce Hungarian culture, precisely as they do at present.

No language is at risk because more Europeans are learning English as a second language (and even this may slow a little with Brexit, etc.); even minority languages in the UK, like Welsh and Gaelic, are undergoing a resurgence.

craicher
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Russian will once again become the lingua franca of it’s former
sphere in Eastern Europe. It is much easier for them to learn, there is a
history, and the West is in full decline, decay, rot. The Polish go
home from cleaning toilets in London and tell their people that England
is a sh..hole. forget about it.

Word is spreading fast. Ten years
ago you could go to places like Ukraine and just being British or
American (an English speaking Westerner) would get you rock star status.
Not so anyone. One day a Brit or American will have the same status as a
Brazilian.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The Poles go to England….and learn English. They also learn English as their first language. English is not going to decline. Russian is not coming back as the primary second language in the old East Bloc. English is the most powerful language in the world, the lingua franca in North America, Europe, and India.

craicher
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English is widespread only because of the British Empire and then America taking over after WWI and II. Once America turns into Brazil, English will fade. It may not happen in our lifetime but it will happen.

A hymn to Hermes
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America turning into Brazil is just going to increase the centralized control over the white American nation by a handful of Jews. The labor of our entire people directed by a more singular will. Globalization and endless war will ramp up, not down. America’s castizo military will still be superior to the rest of the world and it’s white plurality will still be enormously economically productive.

“The Collapse” isn’t going to happen.

Charles Martel
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It was during the 16th century that England began its ineluctable slide into the cesspool of impotence and debauchery it now finds itself in. Merry England turned its back on Christ (the vestigial Christianity of the few remaining Anglicans notwithstanding). Finis.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Auntie May is finished. David Davis will be PM.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

I concur. UKIP was a Trojan horse.

English Independence Party otoh…

Arthur Vickstrom
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Spencer is an American who seems bent on commenting about British issues, so I – a Brit living in America – am going to offer my own two cents on American Nationalism: – Most White Americans don’t want to hear about Brexit, they want local solutions to their own problems. – Pan-racial solidarity is never going to happen. People have tried to make it happen for years and it’s consistently failed. Focus on tribal identity, it works (of course, having allies in other nations is still good). – Most people aren’t going to listen to 22 minute video, keep things… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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White americans, hunting fishing gun toting Americans are an ethnicity.

harman1
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Whilst the message should be simple,we are still in debating and discussing mode. We are running headlong into violence from the savages.Once that happens,tribalism will prevail.I don’t intend being on the losing side.

Arthur Vickstrom
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The issue is that Europeans have already moved passed the debating / discussing mode. We are ready to tackle our respective national issues (I’ve even spoken with members of Golden Dawn who insist that the only reason they haven’t launched a coup d’état is that they’re afraid NATO will bomb them).

This is why many of us get frustrated when Americans say ‘ahh, but let’s try to get rid of ethnic Nationalism.’ It puts us back into the debating mode and unravels years of work.

Charles Martel
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Hear, hear!

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Pan racial solidarity has to happen or Europe is finished. If the Chinese can become one tribe with hundreds of disparate languages in an area larger than Europe, so too can Europeans in an age of globalization. Spencer is thinking long term. Languages like Czech and Swedish probably won’t exist in 50 years. Languages like German and French might even be threatened. Your German, Czech, French, et al identities can all be easily erased. What can’t be erased is Whiteness.

Discard your ethnic identity. Accept your White identity, or die out.

Bannon Dale
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This is highly possible, though quite a shame to lose the European diversity.

Arthur Vickstrom
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We had this exact argument a few months ago and you are, once again, repeating the same claims: 1. China is over 90% ethnic Han, it is a de facto ethno-state not a pan-racial Yellow Empire. What you are talking about is more akin to convincing the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Japanese to abandon their ethnic identities and embrace ‘Yellow Nationalism.’ 2. Discard your ethnic identity. Accept your White identity, or die out. In the time it would take to discard our ethnic identities, Europe will have already turned into a caliphate. We can either go with what works or… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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Americans are too optimistic for our own good.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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How many different languages are spoken amongst the Han Chinese? Yet they don’t seem to have any problem uniting. The difference between a Swede and Serb is analogous to the difference between a Heathen Chinee from Beijing and a Chinaman on the Vietnamese border. Obviously, European ethnic identity is not working out so well for Europeans. Read Benedict Anderson’s Imagined Communities to understand how European national identities are a recent invention. Your identity as an Englishman is a complete invention of the 18th and 19th Centuries when people began to read newspapers and language became standardized. The same is true… Read more »
Bannon Dale
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If you look at historical patterns it does appear that each time whites coordinate together, it’s is in larger and larger tribes. Tribe, region, city-state, state, union, and next might be…race.

Arthur Vickstrom
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1. The vast majority of Han Chinese speak Mandarin with a smaller minority speaking Cantonese. China has also existed as a distinct state / culture for several millennia.

(But you already know this, don’t you?)

2. You completely ignored my point about Sweden so I’m going to ignore your nonsense about invading Canada.

3. All you’re doing is writing factually incorrect yet well thought out replies intended to waste other’s time. It’s plainly obvious.

I see exactly what you’re doing, Mr. Y.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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China has numerous dialects and is a huge nation with vast differences in local regions.

You come to AltRightDotCom and make a stupid and false argument about the ineffectiveness of the American Alt Right not holding public rallies in response to Spencer’s video which lays bare the sad state of English nationalism. Clearly, you’re triggered and lashing out.

Arthur Vickstrom
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Nope, I just pointed out what I thought was wrong with his video. I’m also a regular here so it’s not like I suddenly showed up out of nowhere.

You, on the other hand, are a contrarian who loves to argue with everyone in sight (and you often ignore what people are actually saying so as to find something to argue about).

craicher
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Why would Czech go away? You are wrong on that. Why would Swedish go away? England or America is not an empire ruling over them in the way that Rome ruled Gaul. The native tongues of Europe would have to be outlawed to be wiped out.

Syd
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Swedish will be dead in 50 yrs, it’ll be a caliphate but Czech should still exist

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The pressure of globalization and the strength of English will render languages like Czech and Swedish irrelevant. All Europeans will have will be White Identity.

craicher
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That is ridiculous. The nations/tribes of Europe are not going to give up their native tongues, their traditions, their histories to become some bland White mixed people who speak English.

Even the most English saturated nations like Sweden will simply adopt many English words (they already do) but Swedish will not die out. Unless of course they become the Calipahte some predict.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The Gauls aren’t going to speak Latin! The Bretons aren’t going to speak French! The Irish aren’t going to speak English! The Sorbs aren’t going to speak German!

craicher
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Yes that is the point, Irish was outlawed and suppressed. Who is going to outlaw Polish and impose English?

As to your comment above Polish is their first language not English.

Why is it important to you to destroy the nations of Europe? Sounds very weird.

And again, as America becomes a turd world nation, English will decline. The corrupt and rotted British nation certainly will not be the backbone of the English language.

stavros
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Saxon,Slav,Celt,Norse,Anglo and any white race i left out, the above statement is so true if we do not fight this war as one people we are doomed, support white people over others any way you can most important educate your children to be proud of their culture not shamed into self loathing by the marxist filth which is the enemy among us.Fur Blut und Ehre

Yehudah Finkelstein
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You left out the Balts, the Basques, the Magyars, and the Finns you soulless golem!

stavros
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Sorry to all of the above noble races for the omission must be old age catching up with me.

WR_the_realist
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I fail to see how euro-skepticism has destroyed British nationalism. A British nationalist should not want Brussels making the laws for his country, whether about immigration or anything else. It is true that UKIP focused solely upon the Brexit issue, and seemed unconcerned if Britain was being destroyed provided that that was done by British politicians in parliament, rather than by bureaucrats in Brussels. But it’s not as if the BNP is a force anymore, nationalist voters had no place to go in this election. I know Richard Spencer has a fantasy of the European Union turning into some grand… Read more »
harman1
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UKIP was never a Nationalist party.I believe and many others do too that it was a set up from the first.UKIP had no ideological base,it will never be an ethno Nationalist party,a brief glimpse at its candidates will attest to that.I heard at a recent Nationalist meeting that this more ‘liberal’ softly spoken Nationalism would bring greater numbers.I disagree.Hard line Nationalism is called for.UKIP is dead but Nationalism is needed.The EU in many ways was a distraction from the planned alien invasion.White genocide was the aim all along.

jimmyt
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do some research on DUP.

It would be nice if the Alt-Right could be a bridge between Britain, Ireland, and Scotland