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Pagan Ireland and the Survival of the European Worldview

 Submitted by Conor Macaulay

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“Our natural magic is but the ancient religion of the world- the ancient worship of nature.” -W.B. Yeats[1]

Among its neighboring isles and the rest of Western Europe, Ireland was one of the last pagan lands. And although today Ireland is Catholic by majority, Irish communities still shimmer with remnants of their pagan past. After all, the old religion is the native religion and had been, in varied forms, for centuries before the 5th century AD, when Christianity became widespread, and indeed centuries more before Celtic society, or written language for that matter, existed at all. From festivals to deities, to common customs and traditions, the native religion of Europe, paganism, that is simply non-Abrahamic in this context, didn’t die out in the 5th century. On the contrary, it is alive and well in Europeans to this day, and the Irish perhaps exceptionally so. The nationalist poet W.B. Yeats called for a return to Celtic values in the 20th century and wrote to romanticize a distinctive Irish nature by summoning spirits of old. He did this- as other European nationalists have- not to make a body of work equal to a museum exhibit but to demonstrate the perceived need for a tribe to embrace themselves as they once had. This philosophy, however, clashes with the Christian veneration of altruism and has since had difficulty regaining traction because of this. In a critical essay of Yeats, George Orwell points out “the profound hostility to the Christian ethical code” of the implications of Yeats’s proposed return to nature.[2]

The many tribes of Europe, ie. Norse, Germanic, Greek, Roman, Slavic, Celtic, Iberian, and so on, once had gods to represent the forces of nature that surrounded them, and as opposed to the Christian linear worldview of a beginning, an end, and a heavenly afterlife for well-to-do devotees, pagans had a circular worldview with no beginning nor end, and inter-tribal rebirth for honorable individuals.[3] Moreover, not only were pagan tribes devoted to the worship of nature but had a profound understanding of nature, represented by, for example, complex Celtic road systems based on the movement of the sun. While nature worship is implied by the nonexistence of modern science and technology, it’s also demonstrated in the concept of rebirth, wherein the protection of nature and the building of legacies have more vitality. Similar religions, those polytheistic and in praise of nature, existed all over the ancient world; today, Hinduism is the most similar religion to the Indo-European still widely practiced and officially recognized as a system and culture comparable to that of the Celts. Between all polytheistic tribes, specifically those of Europe, gods were in many cases analogous: comparative mythology shows us that the Roman goddess Venus is Aphrodite to the Greeks. Baldr, the Scandinavian deity of light is represented by Belenus to Celts. When in Gaul, Julius Ceasar was able to identify the “most worshiped” deity among the Celts as Mercury,[4] the god of guidance in travels, truth, and good fortune, which for the Celts is Lugh, the sun god.

Assumedly a result of Europeans’ lack of willingness to part with age-old traditions, and also tactful syncretism used by Christians, many aspects of paganism became part of what we now conceive to be Christian. Even if the original significance of pagan customs has been nullified or forgotten en masse over time, they are still widely recognized- some, like seasonal celebrations, more overtly than others. Evidence for this phenomenon lies partly in the shift in strategy of the Church from destruction to conciliation of pagans. Epona, the Celtic horse goddess, for example, was replaced by St. Martin, a Roman who’s life in the 4th century AD was devoted to the destruction of pagan temples and holy sites in Gaul or modern day France.[5] The most recognizable Christian adoption of a pagan deity is, of course, Santa Claus, wholly a figure of Scandinavian lore. His image hardly revised, Christians simply renamed him after St. Nicolas, a Greek saint from Byzantium. Santa Claus, however, is merely one detail of the Yule festival, analogous to the Winter solstice, from which Christians adopted the reindeer, pine trees, gifts to children, the divine child, AKA every significant and cherished feature of the so-called Christmas.[6] When one connects the dots of the old festivals, suddenly all the seemingly ornamental aspects of Christian holidays have meaning- and the festivals themselves, rooted in human nature and its environment, come to life when the foreign elements are removed.

Another example is Halloween, which is derived from the Celtic festival of Samhain at the Autumn equinox. Today it has degenerated into mere costume and candy purchasing for many, but at its root, adhering to the pagan circular worldview represented by the changing seasons, Samhain represented the end of the harvest and is associated with death and the return of the dead from the ‘other world.’ Even in its Christianized version, Halloween is a celebration of holy individuals who have passed on- this pagan ideal has steadily remained intact- however, the ways in which the honorable dead are remembered have lost their importance. In Celtic tribes, Samhain marked the opportunity for the dead to ‘reincarnate’ through newly initiated children, starting again the life cycle, which follows the stages of death, dying, and life. On the eve of November 1st, children of a certain age or point of maturity entered burial mounds, overcame a series of set obstacles, and if successful ‘became’ one of their dead ancestors, therefore embodying the concept of reincarnation by inheriting the name and belongings of the dead at the winter solstice, that is, the modern day Christmas. The customs of Samhain aren’t as abstract or grotesque as they appear in textbooks and mythology; in other words, the ghosts and goblins described in myths were not merely imagined- they were realized through reenactment, ritual, and purposeful customs which are still more or less symbolically practiced when children dress up as the dead, as they once would have done during their entry into the burial mound.[7] Perhaps Halloween is the ‘most pagan’ holiday still celebrated because it was the Irish American immigrants- those “natural visionaries”[8] from the countryside- who popularized its modern version.

In the case of Samhain, passage tombs, or burial mounds played a significant role. In County Meath near the river Boyne, a burial mound on the Hill of Tara, ‘Mound of the Hostages,’ is illuminated each year by the sunrise on Samhain.[9]  This specific mound is dated at approximately 3,000 BC, making it a holy site that predated Celts. Burial mounds are gravelike megalithic structures have mostly been discovered in Western European countries, save the exception of Scandinavia in the north. In Ireland, there are about 300 recorded of them (not including the various other types of ancient monuments).[10] They are circular in shape, typically placed on the top of a hill overlooking land, and in many cases are surrounded, in a circular fashion, by smaller mounds, similar to the layout of the Egyptian pyramids at Giza.[11] Within the burial mounds were contents similar to what is associated with Egyptian tombs as well, that is, household items, tools, ornamental jewelry and clothing, and in Ireland’s case spiral designs on walls and stones done in a uniquely Celtic style. It is speculated that these goods were placed for the dead in ‘afterlife,’ but it makes more sense in the context of the festivals and beliefs of ancients that the grave goods were meant for the inheritor, or the child who symbolically becomes the dead upon successful initiation. Perhaps ‘grave robbery’ was not such a widespread phenomenon- instead, these excavated tombs were sites of initiation rituals.

At the peak of Celtic influence in Europe, Celts existed as far East as modern Turkey, as far north as Belgium, down to the Iberian Peninsula (modern-day Spain/Portugal) in the south[12] and “had more influence over the actions of individual states than the United Nations does today.”[13] It, however, lasted longest in pure form in Ireland, and arguably developed most prominently there. Until the fifth century AD and perhaps longer in hidden corners of Ireland, Celtic culture was the prominent one. The same cannot be said of lands close by, namely Gaul and Britain, that had been Christianized centuries before. Furthermore, Gaelic is the earliest form of recorded Celtic language, and therefore historians refer usually to ancient Ireland when discussing Celtic culture or society, as is most common in everyday historical conversation: when one thinks of the Celts, one thinks of Ireland and its neighboring Isles.[14] Its isolation as an island distantly westward from the Roman empire (by which it was never conquered) also contributed to its peoples’ way of life surviving long enough in Ireland that its influence isn’t wholly intangible or defined by Christian revision.[15] Well built Druidic temples, for example, were simply made into parishes, while “religious functions” of this Celtic priest class such as “consecrating temples, measuring boundaries, [and] counselling kings…were absorbed rather than abolished by the Church,”[16] which could in part explain the unique lack of bloodshed in Ireland’s conversion to Christianity. While Christians occupied holy sites dedicated to Lugh and renamed them in honor of a St. Luc and the Celtic goddess Brigid became a patron saint, her day of worship falling still on Imbolc,[17] one of the four seasonal Celtic festivals including Samhain as previously mentioned, such a process, by contrast, did not take place during the Scandinavian conversion which happened centuries later, over a shorter period of time, being less inclusive to deities like Óðinn and Þórr. This could be explained in part by the observable difference of Iron Age Scandinavian society from that of the Celts- they lacked a class system which for Ireland was vital to the lasting influence of the European worldview. The Druids, a high class of spiritual, educational, and political leaders and lawmakers, were the backbone of Celtic society, comparable to Hindu Brahmans.

The Druidic education was a twenty-year program based on oration and repetition with the philosophy that one can ‘burn a library, but not a people’ and that it only the most well-trained and disciplined mind would be able to store and recite information. When looked at objectively or in relation to nature, the impression of mystery so commonly experienced in reference to the Druids and Celtic society loses its prominence- on the contrary, what exists of Druidic history can inspire a grounded, realistic awe. Furthermore, outside of verses and law codes, which, like fairy tales, organically developed among people, Druids used Greek letters “for public and private affairs”[18] which goes to prove Celts were not an illiterate race, instead, they simply cherished their doctrine and wished to avoid it from landing in the hands of an enemy. Therefore, literature from Pagan-era Ireland is scarce, and what is available (fairy tales, legends, et cetera) was written down by monks who had already become Christian. These factors, naturally, are the basis for the mystique that surrounds Druids and pagan culture in general. We have artifacts, even corpses preserved in bogs, but the lack of literature makes for lofty scholarship, most of which sees Paganism and the Druids through the lens of Christianity. Whether or not the author is either Christian (or Jewish, or Muslim)- it is an Abrahamic culture in which he is researching and writing. One must use his common sense to cultivate his own theories that tie together loose ends of pre-history.

Regardless, only the remains of pre-Christian traditions are still recognizable today, and reviving them would only be possible after centuries of living tribally- simply an unforeseeable possibility in the current state of the world. Therefore, while the ability to connect dots of the ancient past through study and speculation is important, it seems more pressing to first identify and expand upon the Celtic spirit that still exists within historically Celtic people. This effort was undertaken by Yeats in the early 20th century alongside the Irish Nationalists’ push for independence from Britain, that is, while war waged, Yeats worked in the cultural realm; it has been said after all that ‘politics is downstream from culture.’ An Irishman himself, Yeats was able to recognize a distinctly Irish spiritual culture outside of the cities, which was and still is the vast majority of Ireland. He revered the fairy folklore and legends of the peasants and was part of the effort to record and publish them. Furthermore, Yeats admitted he was glad that the native Irish ways were preserved “by literature rather than science” in that “the very voice of the people, the very pulse of life” is captured instead of each ancient tendency toward superstition being explained coldly with charts and translations.[19] In the spirit of the Nationalist movement of the time, Yeats made a point of distinguishing Irish folk from the British as well, mentioning in his introduction to Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry the close vicinity in which the so-called fairies, changelings, ghosts, leprechauns, pookas, and banshees existed with the people. The ‘little people’ of the ‘other world’ lived amongst them, just as the gods lived among the people in all of Ancient Europe. However, in Yeats’s time, “nobody ever laid new milk on their doorstep for them” except for the Irish.[20] After centuries of persecution and up to the present day, the divine simplicity of the Irish peasantry lends itself to the survival of their native worldview, even through Catholicism.

Without being a theologian, one can notice the most pagan influence in Catholic peoples- specifically Irish Catholics, in comparison to their British Protestant counterparts, for example. They practice devotion to an array of saints, display idols in their homes, and generally, have more religious communities. This is so for a multitude of reasons- namely, their lack of Roman rule, their isolation as an island, and most importantly, their distinct nature. Historically, Ireland falls approximately fifty-or-so years behind the reformations of neighboring states. That is to say, the Irish are a people who operate amongst themselves, within themselves, and in accordance to the spirits that encompass them. The British, in their spirit of conquest, and excusable snobbishness, have clashed with the Irish over these differences of character as two brothers might. However- they are brothers- and if it was Britain, a less zealous people in superstition, who brought Ireland kicking and screaming into modernity, then perhaps it is the duty of Ireland to plant its feet in the soil and allow Britain to go no further, without righteous assessment, into a new modernity that ensures the complete dispossession of its native people.

Today, many sects of so-called neo-pagan and occultism exist, most of which confuse heathenism with hedonism, so to speak, and adopt a random amalgamation of world religions based on the same flimsy attraction one would have to a brand of soda or beer in order to “act in non-Christian fashion” and to ‘find themselves’ through self-indulgence.[21] This, needless to say, dampers the popular opinion towards paganism- but a single generation of well-disciplined youth in search of rooted identity could rekindle a native spirit in a time where spirit, identity, and faith are widely lacking in Europe. Not to proclaim, of course, a return to pre-scientific ignorance or irrational prejudice- simply a collective embrace of native Europeanness- one potential route being the way of pre-Christian Ireland, which even the countryside of today’s Ireland sparkles with. Although Ireland became independent, it’s own nation, through the efforts of nationalists of Yeats’s time, the modern socio-political and cultural landscape remains a threat to the “realistic naturalism” once possessed by the Celts. That is, “[the] love of nature for herself, [the] vivid feeling for her magic, commingled with the melancholy a man knows when he is face to face with her, and thinks he hears her communing with him about his origin and his destiny.[22] Ancient Europeans inarguably had something we lack, which is the wisdom of barbarians- those who place themselves, as men, in the same plane as animals, spirits, and nature herself- and don’t deny themselves the ability to become godlike through honor and reverence. The pre-Christian Irish folk adhered to this natural doctrine in a uniquely charmed an unassuming fashion- which is exactly what kept them from the otherwise merciless sword of Christianity- and is indeed precisely why that doctrine is still animated in the blood of historically Celtic peoples.

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“Edition used: Loeb Classical Library, 1917. The text has been in the public domain since 1973”

Cotterell, Arthur. The Encyclopedia of Mythology. New York, NY: Smithmark, 1996.

Ellis, Peter Berresford. A Brief History of the Druids. New York, NY: Carrol & Graf, 2002.

Haribson, Peter. Pre-Christian Ireland: From the First Settlers to the Early Celts. London: Thames and Hudson, 1988.

“Mound of the Hostages- Tara.” Knowth. Accessed April 16, 2017. http://www.knowth.com/tara.htm.

“Knowth.com is a resource website for the Megalithic sites of the Boyne Valley.”

Nally, Claire V. “The Political Occult: Revisiting Fascism, Yeats, and a Vision.” In W. B. Yeats’s A Vision: Explications and Contexts, edited by Neil Mann, Matthew Gibson, and Claire Nally, 330-43. Clemson, SC: Clemson University Digital Press, 2012.

Orwell, George. “W.B. Yeats.” George Orwell’s Library. Accessed April 16, 2017. https://orwell.ru/library.

Robb, Graham. The Ancient Paths: Discovering the Lost Map of Celtic Europe. London, UK: Picador, 2013.

Vikernes, Varg. “The Key to Paganism.” ThuleanPerspective (videoblog). Entry posted December 31, 2014. Accessed April 16, 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRo8gZBkwZk.

 

———. Reflections on European Mythology and Polytheism. Middletown, DE: Marie Cachet, 2015.

 

———. Sorcery and Religion in Ancient Scandinavia. London: Abstract Sounds Books, 2011.

 

Yeats, William Butler. Essays and Introductions. New York, NY: Macmillan Company, 1918.

 

———, ed. Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. New York, NY: Dover Publications, 1991. First published 1888 by Walter Scott.

[1] Yeats, William Butler. Essays and Introductions. New York: Macmillan Company, 1918, 217.

[2] Orwell, George. “W.B. Yeats.” George Orwell’s Library. Accessed April 16, 2017. https://orwell.ru/library.

[3] Vikernes, Varg. Sorcery and Religion in Ancient Scandinavia. London: Abstract Sounds Books, 2011, 120.

[4] Ceasar, Julius. “The Gallic Wars.” Ceasar: The Gallic War. Accessed April 16, 2017. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Caesar/Gallic_War/.

[5] Robb, Graham. The Ancient Paths: Discovering the Lost Map of Celtic Europe. London, UK: Picador, 2013, 74.

[6] Vikernes, Varg. Reflections on European Mythology and Polytheism. Middletown, DE: Marie Cachet, 2015, 65.

[7] Vikernes, Varg. “The Key to Paganism.” ThuleanPerspective (videoblog). Entry posted December 31, 2014. Accessed April 16, 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRo8gZBkwZk.

[8] Yeats, William Butler. Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. New York, NY: Dover Publications, 1991. First published 1888 by Walter Scott.

[9] “Mound of the Hostages- Tara.” Knowth. Accessed April 16, 2017. http://www.knowth.com/tara.htm.

[10] Haribson, Peter. Pre-Christian Ireland: From the First Settlers to the Early Celts. London: Thames and Hudson, 1988, 106.

[11] Ibid., 56

[12] Ellis, Peter Berresford. A Brief History of the Druids. New York, NY: Carrol & Graf, 2002.

[13] Robb, 88

[14] Ellis, 25.

[15] Robb, 279.

[16] Ibid.

[17] Ibid., 280

[18] Ceasar, The Gallic Wars.

[19] Yeats. Fairy and Folk Tales, xiv.

[20] Ibid.

[21] Vikernes. “The Key to Paganism.”

[22] Yeats. Essays, 209.

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Ed Edgerton
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I recently read the section of Genesis that talks about Abraham. It is comical, in some ways. “God” appears to Abraham and tells him that great things will come to him and his descendants if he cuts off his foreskin and if all of his male descendants have their foreskin cut off as well. This “covenant” also required that any male who lives in proximity to his descendants has his foreskin cut off too. That explains why Jews came up with BS reasons for why circumcision is good for people. In order to keep their covenant with “God,” they had… Read more »
illkhan
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Actual paganism hasn’t existed in 1500 years for the most part, you can’t go back no matter how much you want to. I’m sorry but trying to bring back dead religions is LARPing. Either create a new religion (good luck with that) or just modify Christianity to meet your needs.

Churchillian
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You still see a few Druids at Stonehenge for the summer solstice, bless ’em.

Churchillian
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As an Englishman, this resonated greatly: ‘The British, in their spirit of conquest, and excusable snobbishness, have clashed with the Irish over these differences of character as two brothers might. However- they are brothers- and if it was Britain, a less zealous people in superstition, who brought Ireland kicking and screaming into modernity, then perhaps it is the duty of Ireland to plant its feet in the soil and allow Britain to go no further, without righteous assessment, into a new modernity that ensures the complete dispossession of its native people.’

Very well written and interesting article.

Jarod
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Excellent article.

Urbanus_II
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Alt Idolatry.

ThomasER916
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Whites are a minority in Cucktianity. It’s a religion of shitmix countries.

Urbanus_II
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Paganism is incoherent anti-philosophical nonsense. Christianity is True. The Alt White is an enemy of Western Civilization.

Jarod
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Can’t tell if troll or brain damaged…

Urbanus_II
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I speak the truth to the Alt Retard trolls.

marijan
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Scram Christ cuck

Urbanus_II
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Did you forget to take your pills?

ThomasER916
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“Christianity is True”

You a true moron.

Halford Mackinder
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You two idiots deserve each other.

ThomasER916
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Halford Mackinder, you’re one of these dipshits who believes if he attacks all sides he’s morally and intellectually superior. You’re not. You’re just another pathologically individualistic White faggot with no future.

Urbanus_II
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Truth is the only thing that matters, not your little neo-pagan, anti-intellectual barbarian tribe. Grow up.

R. Casimir
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This is a better essay than much of what one reads on the topic but still paints in extremely broad strokes. It’s completely incorrect to say “Ireland was one of the last pagan lands”. In fact it was one of the first European lands outside of central Rome to convert. Your essay gives the generally accepted dates of 5th century for the conversion of Ireland. Sure there were laggards, but only for so long. The last pagan lands were holdouts among the Slavic, Finnic and Baltic tribes. The Northern Crusades took place in the 13th and 14th centuries, 800 years… Read more »
craicher
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Not a fan of Mcnallen and points taken but the Celts, Slavs, Nordics, Romans, Persians and so on shared an Indo-European cosmology that is well documented. So in that way Mcnallen was right.

Ireland was one of the first Christian convert nations in Europe so I don’t know what the author is on about.

Death Rattle, USA
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If you read the first sentence, though, it only claims that among the British Isles, the Irish stayed true to their Pagan beliefs the longest. And one can argue that the native religion is more recognizable in Catholicism than Protestantism. Regardless, European Polytheism was very similar ALL throughout Europe, and can be closely compared to many pre-Christian religions internationally, because they all reflected their respective habitats and peoples. Lastly, one can not avoid the occasional ‘broad stroke’ as many of the most trustworthy documents of the time are fairy tales transcribed by Christian monks. And if a so-called ‘broad stroke’… Read more »
craicher
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Except they did not. The Scots stayed pagan longer. The Irish, St. Columba, converted them.

Death Rattle, USA
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Religious conversion is never a total and simultaneous occurrence. Much of Ireland remained Pagan while missionaries traveled abroad. When Christians finally reached them, they simply replaced deities with saints and continued their traditions.

Lucy Lipinska
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Thank you for an informative and highly inspiring piece. In a time when one must be blind not to see where the Christian altruism is taking the white nations, we are in a desperate need to revive the withered spiritual tree of ours before the advanced backwardness succeeds in obliterating all traces of it.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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If Indians could revive the Vedic Texts and Hinduism after Buddhism swept the Subcontinent, why can’t white people replace Christianity with their ethnic religion?

Ike35
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I’m all for it. But I’m sure when I come back here in a few hours it’ll be a tornado of butthurt from the pagan vs. christian flame war that will inevitably erupt.

(((The Sanity Inspector)))ن​
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Christianity has occasionally calmed the brutal German lust
for battle, but it cannot destroy that savage ecstasy….When once the
restraining talisman, the Cross, is broken…the old stone gods will
leap to life among forgotten ruins, and Thor will crash down his
mighty hammer on the Gothic cathedrals.
— Heinrich Heine, in Robert Carr, The Paths of Dictatorship

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Heinrich Heine was a Jew.

Ike35
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Yeah but that quote is awesome even if he didn’t intend it to be.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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It is a good quote, but I read some of some of his poetry in a German Lit class and hated both his poems and the guy’s whole life story. Heine was a typical Jew agitator who the Prussians BTFOd out of Berlin and he was forced to flee to France, where he died.

Ike35
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Well, look on the bright side, at least he died. Am I right or am I right?

Lucy Lipinska
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As I was raised Catholic (no longer practicing), I know how hard it is to get rid of the fear of God’s wrath that holds such a tight grip on Catholics. When it comes to the Protestants, I would claim that most of them are atheists, any way in Sweden, where I live. That might explain why there is no resistance to the Muslim invasion.

craicher
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Without a spiritual rebirth, i.e. a rejection of materialism, we are finished. I’m a Christian by tradition and have believed that is our only choice. But maybe not. It’s nice to read academic books about our pagan past but then when you see what comes out of the woodwork promoting it you run for the hills. And Catholic is far superior than Protestant as Catholicism integrates many of our pagan customs and beliefs into the new, Christian, religion while the Protestants are more like the Taliban of the Christians. Thus, why, as you noticed, most people in Protestant lands, are… Read more »
Johnny Fash
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Liberalism is a cancer that has spread into the Catholic Church and the Papacy. Catholicism is in serious need of reform. I don’t go to Church anymore but I still try and live my life according to Catholic teachings. It wasn’t that long ago that we had Catholic priests that knew what was up.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Father Coughlin was a great man. He should have ran for President in 1936.

curri
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He couldn’t, he was Canadian. Huey Long was going to run in 1936 with Fr. Coughlin’s support, but Long was assassinated in 1935.

Marathon-Youth
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a bad comparison but you kind of make your point

Yehudah Finkelstein
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The point is that old religions can be revived. Jews even turned Hebrew into a living language.

Marathon-Youth
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I agree Yehuda but we should recognize how much ancient Rome and Greece to pre Christian European faiths have been made part of Christianity. If we can do that we have a better idea of modern day Christianity and what really should be changed.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Christianity is in terminal decline in the West. It is now a religion of the Global South.

Marathon-Youth
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Going by your logic I support the end of Judaism and the worthless existence of Israel.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Fine with me if all the Semitic sand cults die.

Marathon-Youth
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The world will be a better place if some simply stopped. too much power in the hands of a few

Marathon-Youth
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It is more alive than Judaism. The Jews put the Talmud which is a racist book along with the Torah, on the same level. Judaism is a morally defunct faith with no relevance today

craicher
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Because it is not a faith but a tribal identity. An avowed atheist of Jewish decent can immigrate to Israel and how about all those Bolshevik Jews?

A hymn to Hermes
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I don’t think Judaism ever had much spiritual vitality. Even if you go back to the power morality based religions of ancient, pre-classical Greece you see a great deal of vivacity and yearning for understanding in certain aspects of that faith. There is an authentic spiritual element even to this comparatively close to base nature, man as animal, struggling for survival religion. Jews have a one-track mind and a one-track gene-culture which amounts to Kill People; Take Their Stuff. Their secular ideologies all also fall along this same line, so even when God isn’t commanding Hebrews to massacre another people… Read more »
Marathon-Youth
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Agreed but it is worse than that. Couple of points
Christ broke the link to Judaism on Palm Sunday and he was punished for that on Good Friday
Cyrus Scofield altered the bible so that the part which says “the seed of Abraham” in reference to his son to mean all the Jews. the concept of the “Chosen people” is new and Scofield’s interpretation solidified it

Pioneer American
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> Cyrus Scofield altered the bible
Citation needed. If he managed to change one translation, there are many others.
If you’re serious, take your idea up here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical

Einsalzgrüpenführer
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Einsalzgrüpenführer

Judaism never had much spiritual vitality for Jews, but it certainly does for Egyptians.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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“The Jewish spiritual tradition has always been sophistic and focused on sacralizing material transactions”

Yup. Only Jews would believe a Rabbi could trick and defeat G-D in an argument.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Judaism is essentially an ethnic religion now.

4DPOETRY
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Good post, religion and belief systems have been coming up a lot lately, seems like we are all thinking along similar lines, looking for an explanation of the French election for a start. An idea I had today is to start describing liberalism as a religion, and not an ideology, if we as a group start pushing this idea, a lot of younger folks may be revolted by the knowledge that they have been inducted into some kind of sick religious cult. What I mean is by creating a list of their habits, slogans, logical fallacies, etc and placing it… Read more »
Johnny Fash
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Liberalism is definently the current religion of the masses. It has replaced both Christianity and Paganism as the dominant code of morality in Europe and North America. I think thats what Neoreactionaries were getting at when they started referring to the Liberal establishment as “the Cathedral.”

4DPOETRY
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It appears to me that whiteys have three enemies, the Jews, Liberals and Muslims. Who are our allies, Russia, Poland, Hungary, large and heavily armed parts of the USA which is reassuring, and as a little white pill, I think that South East Asia, Japan, Vietnam, China may also be our allies in the future. They really hate the Liberal Western Disease, they even have a special name for it in China called ‘baizuo’ which translated means ‘white left’. They use the word “baizou’ as an insult (LOFL) I find that reassuring because I also heard they want to embrace… Read more »
Johnny Fash
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Personally I distrust the Chinese. I’m watching them collonize Canada right now and it infuriates me. They can be allies only in resistance to Western liberalism, but their interests are not our interests. Theres a good article on the Chinese problem at Counter Currents. https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/01/the-chinese-question-trump-supporters/

craicher
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I happen to work in China for part of the year. They are just following their natural instincts to expand and grow and dominate and rule. It is the law of nature. It is our job to protect our lands from their depredations and the depredations of others. It doesn’t make them evil but just human (another type of human) or just organic beings. Bacteria will also grow and expand as much as it can. Or rats. Or trees or anything living. There is no morality in it.

Johnny Fash
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True, but it’s not in my interest to sit back and watch them expand onto my territory. I don’t think their bad people per se, white people are giving their territory away and Chinese people want it. I don’t think it’s anything personal.

craicher
Guest
We also win people over by explaining we want to protect our own homelands and people from the expansion of foreign races and that that is a just and moral stance. If we can explain that in the right way we will bring many more to our side. What most people have internalized is that White European descended peoples are evil, pernicious usurpers of the poor, victimized natives (all non-Whites). Meanwhile our women are raped, our elderly beaten and robbed and our children bullied into submission. It’s called genocide and if we can make out people understand that they will… Read more »
craicher
Guest

How I see it too.

Jotunn Dovregubben
Guest

There are also several good articles on the Chinese over at eurocanadian.ca.

Johnny Fash
Guest

Euro Canadian is a really good site. I need to get in the habit of reading it more often tbh.

Jotunn Dovregubben
Guest

If you’re in Canada as well, it’s the best we’ve got. Some people have criticized it because it’s not specifically White nationalist, but Duchesne is forced to tread a fine line here in the land of poz. It is a European Canadian advocacy group which is an excellent first step. They have been accused of being a “white supremacist organization” by Chinese politicians, as accusation to which they responded, but I think they should pursue slander charges against these accusations. We need to grow our circles so they they include sympathetic lawyers willing to take up the cause.

Johnny Fash
Guest

Yeah, I’m Canadian as well. I check the site about once a month or so and read an article or two. Their coverage of Canadian issues is always good. Much better than (((The Rebel))) which is pretty much the only other right of centre media outlet in Canada.

It makes sense that Duchesne is careful about what he says. It’s more important for him to be one of the only red pilled College professors in the country than for him to go full fash.

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