Massive Victory Day Marches In Russia; A Meet-Up With Russia’s Alt-Right

I participated in the Victory Day march in St. Petersburg. The one in Moscow gets all the press, but the one in St. Petersburg is almost as big.

These marches all have a volunteer portion to them now as well. They call it the Immortal Brigade. Literally millions of Russians show up with photos of their grandparents and great-grandparents that fought in the war and march down the main street. It is a huge part of the Russian government’s program to revive civic nationalism in Russia. The great victory against all odds in World War 2, the Orthodox faith and the sports program are 3 of the main columns of the program to revive civic pride that the Kremlin is pursuing. Naturally, this march is a big deal. It became an even bigger deal after the events in Crimea as the lackluster parade suddenly became a massive civic phenomenon. Overnight, the parade became absolutely huge, reaching crowd sizes even larger than those in 1945.

The liberals were quick to downplay this natural outpouring of patriotic sentiment, but the truth is that they were completely floored by what they saw, and no amount of nit-picking about numbers and accusations of paid attendees could mask the truth that literally millions of people almost spontaneously were marching all around the country.

Now that I’ve stuck my usual shiv into the Liberals, I can move on with my personal observations.

I could not help but notice some of the messier details of the march. For the most part, these were not locals participating. People that marched in the Immortal Brigade drove, metroed or trained in from the suburbs or even neighboring cities. St. Petersburg’s center is filled with hipster SWPLs. None of them were present, not even as bystanders along the routes. After living in a city for enough time, you can tell who belongs and who is visiting, who lives in the bohemian center, and who had to come in from the suburbs.

Also, the crowd was middle-aged or older.

The black and white filter makes them look even older than they are.

There were virtually no young couples in the crowd, and hardly any students. This was despite the fact that May 9th is a holiday and they almost certainly had the day off. There were young kids in the crowd, but they came with their families. After the marchers made the trek along the entire length of Nevskiy Prospekt, they settled into the parks and started relaxing, eating sandwitches and of course, drinking.

I peeled off from the march near the end to go into a cafe that I knew had a balcony on the top floor with a breathtaking view. Naturally, its one of those SWPLy hipster haunts. The place is usually filled with the most bohemian fashionable types that have nothing better to do with their time. Today was no different. Despite having a balcony with a view of millions of people marching with flags and banners and music, the hipsters could not be bothered. They remained where they always do- lounging on the divans, bathed in hookah smoke.

How could you pass up on a view like this?

Right after I rejoined the march, a fight broke out right in front of me. Two Vibrant groups were beating each other with the sticks that are used to hold up the photos of relatives. One man fell to the ground, his head covered in blood. The other group started kicking him until the police stepped in. It all happened very quickly. Everything was calm and then suddenly- CHIMPOUT.

It was on the Winter Palace plaza, near the end of the march. The Jesus flag is being flown by a volunteer brigade of Novorussian Cossaks.

The two groups were Armenians and Azerbaijanis. The Armenians took offense to the Azerbaijani flag being flown among the group of Azerbaijanis and so they attacked them. I almost immediately began to start worrying about whether the civic nationalist program could possibly hold up in Russia- especially among the Bashkirs who hate the Tatars or the Chechens that hate the Dagestanis and the X who hate Y groups. The answer is that there will be peace as long as there is strong centralized Russian power making sure to break up every single fight before it gets too out of hand.

Meanwhile, the future should worry the Kremlin. The youth are drifting away from the program and increasingly becoming Nationalists or Navalny-type Liberal Nationalists.


A couple of days before the march, I met up with the Russian nationalist group, the Black Hundreds. I was very impressed by their organization. Although I hate to admit it, it was far more organized than our organization in the United States. They have their own bars, their own printing house and an extensive network of peers. I suppose it is easier in Russia, where there is no White Guilt to speak of and a good deal of racial friction anyway.

They were all aged about 25-35 and all clearly middle-class to upper-middle class. These are the Bobo Nationalists of Russia. In that sense, they are just like the Alt-Right in the United States, Nordic Youth over in Sweden, Generation Identitaire in France and Austria. They didn’t really participate in the marches either.

For them, the divide between them and the march attendees is like the divide between the Alt-Right and the Alt-Lite.

It was surreal to hear Alt-Right talking points repeated to me in Russian. Many had read Kevin MacDonald and knew about Richard Spencer. Some sported a fashy haircut. It got me wondering if maybe Globalization wasn’t such a bad thing after all.


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  • Russia’s great patriotic war stuff can be tiresome, but let’s keep a little perspective.

    Americans still celebrate WW2, which directly led to the death of Western civilization and to the descendants of those American GIs becoming a hated and persecuted minority on the brink of being wiped off the face of the earth.

    • Okay, how is this for some perspective? The United States, despite all that behaviour, also had the advantage of having been the opponent of the Soviet Union during the Cold War, in which it tolerated the presence of much of the old Axis networking and personnel who wanted to get a second chance at struggling against the Soviet Union.

      There is a very big difference between siding with NATO after 1945, versus siding with the Warsaw Pact states after 1945. It’s an absolutely enormous difference.

      Also, the thing which is actually getting tiresome here, is watching you people trying to defend the Soviet Union and its successor state which is still celebrating the Soviet Union’s legacy. It’s absolutely retarded.

        • Yep. See “Red Carpet” by Joseph Finder (got shut down by Armand Hammer’s lawsuit, but available used). Or Anthony Sutton’s “Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development” for some of the details of how the USSR was dependent on Western technology and resources.

          Or, as a microcosm of the Cold War, take a look at the career of one of the most well-known Soviet Communist agents, Alger Hiss. Hiss’s career (including after he was accused of being a spy and after being in jail) included stints at: the State Department, the United Nations, clerking for Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr, the Justice Department, some Senate Committees, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and – naturally – Harvard Law. Being a Communist traitor didn’t hold him back much, did it? Compare to say, what happened to McCarthy, who actually took the Cold War seriously…

          Also, Oumae has an interesting technique. Don’t get too caught up in the details– she gets into some fairly intricate pilpul. Overall, she puts up a good front of anti-Zionism, but consistently denies more subtle kayak influence, and manages to work in pro-globalism, “Don’t try to work with non-Whites against the jews, because they all hate you,” “Russia is bad– very bad,” muh ebil white supreemists, and a lot of divide and conquer, white guilt BS. Etc. Gives a strong impression of actual intent =/= stated intent.

  • For the record Victory day in some Eastern European countries is called The day of victory over fascism.

  • Also could it be that the marchers are from the poorer soviet projects on Petersburg? Not just from the countryside. All the post communist nations have high rise slums (some slummer than others) around their big cities. For any of you who want to go to said nations and meet the real people I recommend hanging around the poor parts of town.

  • The Soviet Union stopped being a melting pot towards the ’70s. While the generation of my grandfathers inter-married easily (’30s and ’40s), my parents already had to overcome resistance to marry a different nationality within the Soviet Union. Towards my times, in the ’80s, not only marriage to a different nationality, but a serious pre-marriage relationships were considered a crime. The nationalism has stemmed from the Caucasus area and taken over most of the country.

    Simultaneously, the share of Slavic nationalities, the ideological base and the melting pot glue, has been shrinking since the late ’50s. Through the deep-seeded, constitutionally embedded process of “rootinization” (korenizatsiya), the promotion of the development of local nationalities, the Soviet Union has put itself in the grave.

    The country would have survived the economic failures of the late ’80s: The Afghan war expenditures, the sharp decline in oil prices, a significant drop in alcohol sale taxes due to the Dry Law. The combined GDP of the post Soviet Union republics is substantially higher than the one for the Soviet Union in 1991. But it would not survive the nationalism, the negative consequence of 60 years of state-sponsored diversity, which reached its peak towards the late ’80s.

    • With some exceptions the true Russians (slavs) should purge the aliens back to the stans. No racial aliens in European Rossiya!

  • “I hate to admit it, it was far more organized than our organization in the United States.” It’s a false equivalence though because Russians are the same ethnicity. Ethnic bonds are stronger than just civic nationalism and even “white” racial nationalism. America’s loss of ethnic cohesion hurt us in the long run. Southerners were the first American ethnic group and Yankees hated it along with our racialism so they conquered us and that’s where we are today.

    • wrong, russia is more multirracial that USA . slavs are just 30% of russia population.

        • LOL….80%NEVER!You have no idea what you’re talking about. The Jews destroyed Russia. In the Soviet era, internal migration and forced mixed marriages produced tens of millions of mongrels. The Mongolian dwarf putin is an example of this process

          • So who are you? I have been to Russia and Ukraine and most of Eastern Europe and funny I didn’t see those mongolians.

            Putin looks, and acts, White to me.

            I smell a Yid!

    • News flash, communism died 26 years ago. They will never go back to communism in Eastern Europe. Besides not everything was terrible under communism. Though it was an accident the people behind the Iron Curtain retained much more of their racial as well as cultural heritage.

  • Every Russian is an implicit nationalist. They become explicit nationalists after a few shots of vodka. Regardless of their age, sex, and origin.

  • Vincent, who has told you that Chechens hate Dagestanis? That is just simply not true.
    As for Bashkirs, they have a titular nation privilege in Bashkortostan, albeit well unfounded, directed mostly at Tatars (in some cases at Russians). But beyond Ufa and Bashkortostan, there is no explicit hatred between Bashkirs and Tatars.
    Azerbaijanis and Armenians, I sorta agree, although the animosity does not typically spill to neutral territories, beyond Azerbaijan and Armenia.

    The biggest issue Russia is facing, which the mighty Putin has not been able to solve, is huge demographic losses among the Slavic majority. However, unlike in the USA, different Russian nationalities produce much better offspring when mixing.

  • Appeal of Russian nationalists to European (white) nationalist (right) and conservative organizations

    “We need to secure the entire Russian youth from the virus of nationalism” Vladimir Putin

    Dear colleagues! The future of European nations and European civilization depends from you. The problems that we face are similar: the hordes of immigrants from Third World countries, displacing indigenous people, Islamization, degradation, the retention of power left (cultural Marxists, internationalists, neo-Bolsheviks, and so on.) This situation does not allow health national forces to take adequate measures against these problems. Propaganda of nationalism and racial identity is banned in most European countries.
    However, every European nation has a unique situation due to various domestic factors. Sometimes, when it has viewed from aside it is difficult to see the real content of events in the other country.

    We have learned that the hostile forces to the Russian people spend a great job of disinformation European nationalists, regarding the situation in Russia, for you to lobby for their interests. This situation is not acceptable, and today we want to convey to every European nationalist that Putin and his government – they are enemies of the Russian people, Putin &Co are robing and destroying Russia, by set up “iron hand” regime from one side and militant internationalism of neo-Bolshevism from the other side.

    In the beginning with we would like to remind you that it was one of the initiatives of the Russian Federation in November 2014 by which the Committee of UN General Assembly adopted a resolution requesting from countries to take more effective measures to combat nationalism and other forms of expression of national and racial identity of white people. Hence Putin is the initiator of the next wave of persecution of white nationalists throughout the world. Russian Foreign Ministry regularly sends notes of protest to various European countries in connection with mass nationalist activities, actually requiring the introduction of discrimination on the basis of ideological and deprivation of our associates right to freedom of assembly.

    Vladimir Putin’s regime physically destroys the Russian people. During the years of Putin’s governing (15 years) in the Russian Federation received trillions of dollars of revenue from resources. Commodity prices have broken all historical records. The country is washing in cash, but there is no impact on the lives of ordinary Russian people. In fact, 90% of this money was stolen by friends of Putin. Nothing has been done to improve or at least maintain the quality of life of the local population. In opposite it was development of such processes as: closing of hospitals, reducing movement of cheap trains, inflation, virtually uncontrolled influx of migrants, ethnical criminal, ethnic conflict, poverty (according to the most conservative estimates 16 million people are poor), ruin, terrible conditions for small and medium-sized businesses, coming to a complete decay of infrastructure, industry and agriculture. As a result, the death rate in Russia surpasses by world standards. Russian mortality of men of working age is 10 times higher than in developed countries and 5 times higher in comparison with developing countries. Approximately 80% of the villagers do not live to retirement age, because sometimes they need to go 50-100 kilometers in order to reach the nearest hospital to them.

    If the Russian state could do a bit to fulfill its obligations to the citizens in the last 15 years, the death rate could be closer to that of Poland and Estonia. In this case, according to the calculations of experts now it would be alive at least 4,791,886 people who died during the years of Putin’s rule. After all, even now people die 3 times less in Honduras than in the Russian Federation. Naturally low birth rate in socially disadvantaged circumstances is not able to somehow compensate for the over-mortality. As a result, Russian are in extinction.

    Reduction in mortality in the country – it’s hard work for all authorities, but Kremlin is not ready to do so instead of this it was adopted so-called “concept of replacement migration”, according to which the Russian extinct should be replaced by migrants, especially Asians and Caucasians.
    In Russia, according to various official and likely understated estimated 13-17 million migrants. Most of them are men of reproductive age. And there are 111 016 896 russian people in Russia. If we except pensioners, children and invalids, we can see, that there are 56 million Russians or nearly 29 million Russian men on 17 million immigrants.

    Thus, the number of migrants, most of whom – adult healthy men, and the number of men belonging to indigenous minorities (according to rough estimates – about 6.5 million) – in the coming years, will soon be equal to the number of Russian men.
    With the new Law on Citizenship, which is adopted by Putin’s government, almost any Russian speaking person (not native Russian, but the one, who more or less familiar with the Russian language) can obtain Russian citizenship by a simplified procedure. Another law passed by the Putin government, the so-called “TAD legislature” (the Territory оf Advanced Development), gives opportunity for migrants to move into the territory of the Russian Far East practically in unlimited numbers.

    After only one generation, without urgent action, Russia will cease to be Russian land.

    They try to deceive us, saying that the extinction of Russian is something irreversible, cultural degradation caused by people who are more on what does not fit and must be replaced with another nations, but it is not.

    Demographics in the Russian Federation are entirely political, rather than ideological or moral and spiritual area. Reasonable program for improving fertility could be simple and clear: cheap accommodation + adequately paid job + + quality medicine available to pre-school.
    Thus, according to research by sociologists, 80% of women and 87% of men could get one additional child (if it does not, and if it is – that more than one), if they had the money to provide it with all necessary.

    It is no exaggeration to say that Russians in Russia are actually deprived of civil rights and liberties. Independent media are almost completely banned, Internet sites with Information which irritates the Government are blocked on wide scale, and repressive legislature allows to imprison any citizen who dared to criticize the regime. Some of persons who was convicted by political articles deprived of certain rights of a lifetime – a ban to stand for election, the ban on political organizations consciousness, a ban on a number of professions. If such a person will be included in the list Rosfinmonitoring – he had never able to find a normal job, as all of its financial accounts will be blocked.

    Opposition organizations are prohibited, free registration of parties is impossible, elections are rigged, local elections partially abolished (mayoral elections abolished in 66 regions, regardless of the fact that 77% citizens were opposed to this (opinion poll conducted by “Levada-Centre”) and opposition, including nationalists, actually are deprived of the opportunity to participate in the electoral process.

    For participation in non-authorized protest actions you may get penalty up to 10 years in prison. Even on authorized actions, any participant can be arrested and fined or sent into custody for several days without any base (as a formal occasion used falsified reports on administrative violations – which actually was not). Only in 2013 year 2532 civilian protesters have been subjected to administrative detention in Russia during a political protests.
    The regime of V. Putin sends to prison all dissenters. More than 90% of convicted on political charges were Russian nationalists. For 2013, our experts have estimated that the number of nationalists faced with political repression in the form of criminal cases exceeded 2,000 people, among them – the initiator of the campaign for the resignation of Putin, one of the leaders of the Association of Russian – Alexander Belov. According to official statistics for the year 2014, the so-called “anti-extremist”, but in fact political articles were brought around 600 new criminal cases.

    Every year the situation with the rights of citizens, and especially Russian, is getting worse and worse. Russian Federation ranked second place after Syria in the number of refugees seeking asylum in developed countries, 34% of Russian citizens are afraid of retaliation for criticism of Putin’s regime (data of sociologists, “Levada-Center”).
    Putin is well aware that he illegally robed of Russian citizens, why is he afraid of opposition. While the structure of the suppression of dissatisfied (intelligence agencies, the political police), still working, he is trying to sell off what little remained. After all, at the end of the reign of Putin’s team, even the company “Rosneft” is on the verge of bankruptcy, debts are almost equal capitalization and total liabilities far exceed her. “Rosneft” took a loan from China to 70 billion. Dollars are against future deliveries-slogan of this deal. In addition, as stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich, the Russian Federation is ready to sell to China more than 50% stake in oil and gas fields. To believe in the myth that under Putin, Russia has risen from its knees can only people not interested in what is happening in our country.
    We would like to dispel the lies of the Russian Federation as a country of the winning conservative values. According to Deputy Interior Minister Igor Zubov – in Russia more than a million people are involved in prostitution, of which at least 130,000 are minors (2013). Annually from alcoholism in Russia kills 1.5 million people (World Health Organization). Daily detected 200 cases of HIV infection by the end of 2015, the number of diagnosed cases can reach one million people. 8 million. People use drugs. RF ranked first among teenage suicides in the world, the death rate among teenagers in Russia is three times higher than in European countries. For 2014 closed 185 branches and universities. Laid off more than 8,000 physicians (in this case, that 45% of the population has chronic diseases, according to the Ministry of Health). Health expenditure in 2015 will be reduced by 20% (Ministry of Finance).

    Putin’s propagandists often use tolerance toward homosexuals in several European countries to demonstrate the “lack of spirituality of the Western World.” However, tolerance for homosexuals in Russia exceeds all bounds of common sense. Homosexual rape is widespread in the army, in prison, in children’s homes, in everyday life. Cases to attract violators to justice are rare, statistics is not known that people are victims of sexual violence by aggressive homosexuals are marginalized for their further life, if this becomes known. Russian human rights activist and nationalist Maxim Martsinkevich was engaged in the identification of pedophiles among homosexuals, and accidentally exposed several high-ranking officials – and then immediately was sentenced to 5 years, the formal reason for condemnation was the reviews on the popular movies posted on the personal page of Maxim in the social network, allegedly with nationalistic propaganda. Founded antipedofilia movement “Occupy – Pedophiles” – completely destroyed by police authorities.

    The war against the Russian nation in the East of Ukraine. War with Ukraine is presented as an act of patriotism, aimed at uniting the Russian nation. In fact, all is just the opposite. Putin’s actions in Ukraine led to the destruction of Russian enclaves and rapid Ukrainianization Russian living in the main part of Ukraine (Russian, which is too hard to live with the stigma of “supporter separatists, terrorists and occupiers” – because it is so now, many are looking to the representatives of our nation living in Ukraine).

    Crimea – subsidized region, who lived at the expense of tourism. After the annexation of the tourist business in the Crimea, you can put a cross (only this year Crimea has lost 80 billion rubles, more than half of revenues from tourist industry). Crimea is isolated from the outside world for the Russians themselves go to the Crimea for a long time (you need to stand in long hours in the car on the ferry line) and expensive – cheaper to rest in Egypt or Turkey, or in Sochi (for the Patriots). In the Russian Federation there is no money to invest in job creation in Crimea – so the Russian youth will gradually emigrate abroad from the peninsula in search of a job, find a job in Russia after massive layoffs caused by falling oil prices and the effects of sanctions – it will be impossible. Thanks to Putin Crimea will become extinct permanent disaster area, not to mention the fact that with the annexation of the Crimea Russian actually lost their civil and political rights, as they are deprived of most of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation.

    More than 1.5 million Russian and Ukrainians were forced to leave the territory of Donbass due to military action, inspired by the Russian Federation. Affected about 2 million white children (UNICEF data), 65 children were killed and 127 were wounded (according to Ukrainian). The region is on the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. Self-proclaimed republic LNR and DNR – a criminal terrorist enclaves that exist at the expense of Russian taxpayers’ money, sharing the ideology of Bolshevism and internationalism, dreaming about the reconstruction of the USSR.

    We again ask everyone who reads this appeal – not to support anti-Russian regime of Vladimir Putin, the maximum distance of all the pro-Putin structures, trying to take advantage of you in their own interests. We urge you to exercise racial solidarity and respect for the national liberation struggle of our people.

    • Your words are so moving, this just comes to show that it’s very important to get connected with like minded people.

      What matters Is that we unite into a supercunglamret of white nationalism to further our goals.

  • White populations are shrinking everywhere, and globalization is inevitable. If we don’t use globalization to our advantage and form a pan-European alliance, then we will make things much harder on ourselves.

    • Exactly why we don’t have time and energy to waste on supporting stupid “Civic Nationalist” ideas either. If we were growing in numbers, even slowly, or didn’t have intermixing issues then perhaps it could prolong the inevitable outside of our generation, but that isn’t a luxury we have.

      Putin loves to brag about Russia’s 1,000 year multicultural history while ignoring that for most of the time they were kept terrestrially segregated from one another with minor mingling. Also up until WW2 Russia had the highest birth rate in all of Europe. The old model just doesn’t work anymore under our circumstances. I see intermingling as more territory being lost that’ll have to be reconquered with lesser and lesser manpower now.

  • I won’t claim to understand the nuances of politics in Russia — especially not nationalist politics, since the multitude of different groups, parties and platforms is bewildering, bizarre, often downright absurdist, and not always unintentionally — but I’ll tell you right away that there are no advantages whatsoever to gobbling down the microwaved remains of the Soviet Union that the present regime is peddling. The Russian imperialists/supremacists dreaming of a Eurasian empire, a sort of CCCP2.0, will gladly use you as useful idiots if you allow it, but to them America will never be anything other than an enemy. It’s China they really want an alliance with. Meanwhile, this type of thing is quite literally the single quickest and easiest way to lose the support of nationalist groups in Europe who otherwise would be your natural allies. Especially in eastern Europe: the Baltic countries, Poland, Hungary etc. I’d advice you re-think this.

    • I won’t claim to understand the nuances of politics in Eastern Europe… but our “natural allies” over there seem to be far too friendly with the american foreign policy establishment. I’d advice you to re-re-think.

      • So Eastern European nationalist groups aren’t really natural allies to the American Alt-Right. Well if you say so, but if I were you I’d re-re-re-think it. Especially if you’re tempted to throw your lot in with the Putinists instead. I’m not sure what you refer to when you mention the American foreign policy establishment, but I wonder if it might not actually be the Eastern Europeans’ general lack of kneejerk anti-Americanism and their shall we say “naturalistic” view of Russia.

        • I don’t know who our natural allies are, we may not have any.

          But if there are any, it is probably somebody who hates the American foreign policy establishment (IE: (((neo-conservatives))), hawks and liberal internationalists) as much as we do.

          Eastern Europeans are no doubt very based, but some seem to feel that their incentive is to cozy up to the United States government, to get it to do their fighting and defense for them.

          This potentially conflicts with our desire to reign in and ultimately hamstring the American foreign policy establishment, and impose a more isolationist policy.

          Frankly, if you aren’t anti-American after the last few decades, that’s just kind of weird.

    • I just want to address this part here:

      It’s China they really want an alliance with.

      Russia can want that, but what is actually happening is something far more complex. There’s a lot of decent literature on this topic, but here’s one typical example:

      That’s basically how it is.

      Russia Trapped

      Russia has ended up in a position where it is trapped between the economic blocs of European Union and its associates to their west and southwest, and between the Asian factory bloc which increasingly integrated and (in terms of latitude to act in ways that are strategically consequential) is led by China on their east and southeast.

      Russia’s inability to develop the RFE, along with sanctions being placed against them by the European Union as a response to their invasion of Crimea, has left them stuck with China as their only pseudo-friend, a position which China is gleefully exploiting to economically undermine Russia. The situation that Russia is in, is fully in line with the kind of trap that anyone who has had a good reading of Mackinder or Brzezinski would recommend. It places Russia into a geoeconomic killzone.

      For the Russians, who are not feeling very comfortable at having been outwitted in this way, the chief concern that the Russian imperialists have is how can they break out of this trap?

      Russia’s attempt to escape

      Russia’s attempt to break out of the trap, is through diluting the unity of purpose that has hitherto existed in the Outer Crescent and the Rimland — in other words, diluting the unity of purpose within the North Atlantic and Central and Eastern Europe. Those attempts to break out of the trap have manifested as Russian attempts to co-opt budding nationalist movements in those locations, and to use them either to simply cause disruption, or to outright change the foreign policies of governments if they can get electoral success.

      We have heard the narrative that this is all about ‘globalism vs nationalism’. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. On a deep structural level, all the ideological talk is a proxy for a geostrategic struggle.

      The migrant crisis

      It so happens that Russia got slightly lucky, because all of this came to a head right at the precise moment that the incompetent and moronic German government decided to let in a massive number of migrants, and so Russian actors attached themselves to the cause and have been trying to shape the way in which the local European groups have responded to the crisis.

      Wither the Alt-Right?

      The American Alt-Right will probably find itself being increasingly self-contradictory in a semiotic sense. On the one hand, they have used ‘fashy memes’ to depict many of their ideas. But on the other hand, they are lauding a country, Russia, which out of all European groups has the strongest and most foundationally ‘Antifa’ national identity stemming from the so-called ‘patriotic war’ in which most of heavy lifting was done by them.

      They will not be able to square that circle, because if taken at face value, overtly presenting themselves as ‘fashy’ makes them look bad among ‘regular people’. But on the other hand, associating with Russia makes it worse because it means that even the target audience which finds the ‘fashy’ aesthetic and history to be something they identify with, will be repelled and disgusted by the pro-Russian pandering.

      That will leave the Alt-Right with no friends anywhere except for Duginists in Russia and their domestic base in America who voted for Donald Trump.

      It’s going to be a total memetic implosion for the Alt-Right in the coming years if they continue on the path they’ve taken.

      What should real European nationalists do?

      European nationalists thus have the unenviable task of needing to develop a way to oppose the massive flood of migrants, and to simultaneously make sure that Russia is not allowed to gain any diplomatic or geoeconomic leverage in the meantime. This means that European nationalists must also oppose the American Alt-Right so long as the Alt-Right continues to be pro-Russian.

      This will be an arduous task, but as soon as someone is able to actually do it and have it gain traction, you will see that the Russians and their political proxies will be forced to abandon their pretence at being ‘fashy’, and they will then hotly and pejoratively accuse the real European nationalists of being this:

      Suddenly European nationalists will be accused of being Benito Mussolini.

      Which is exactly the accusation that the Russians and the Serbs brought out during the war for control of Southeast Europe, also known as the Bosnian War. Russians and Serbs suddenly ‘discovered’ that all their Albanian and NATO opponents were ‘fascists’ who were continuing ‘Mussolini’s legacy in the region’. You should expect that they will dust this charge off again in the future.

      The key is to just ignore the Russians when they do that and profess — with a straight face of course — to be ‘totally recognising all liberal international norms and etc’. Or respond with flamboyant and ironic pop art like the one I’ve linked to here as an example. Or do both. Both is fun.

  • It took the Soviet’s asian empire and resources, millions of east European partizans and exile armies, the armies of the british empire including Canada and Australia and India, the US technology, production capacity and full metal USAF and GI power, french resistance, other remote places support and resources (even Costa Rica declared war to Germany), to fight down a country (please forget Italy and due to their smallness Hungary and Finland) that today has an army of 180.000 gendered life guard soldiers. Any questions?

  • As Russian myself, I have to say this.
    What the hell you are talking about???
    Lets fact check.

    “There is no White Guilt to speak of”
    There no “White Guilt” because we dont have black people nor we didnt have history of enslaving someone.
    Quite the opposite actually we had communism. There were no supremacy of one group over another.

    And it is also hard to tell who is Russian and who is not this days.

    “Black Hundreds is Russian nationalist group”
    Ах да… Черносотенцы

    Actually they are more a christian fundamentalist group.
    here their website.

    This days they barely have more than 400 hundred people.
    And unlike US or EU alt right.
    Black Hundreds never opposed muslims or islam.
    Historically they actually had MUSLIMS AMONG THEIR GROUP!!!

    An anti muslim nationalist movement!
    They are called DPNI
    DPNI was declared extremist by the High Court of Russian Federation and banned in 2011.
    Yes they are considered terrorist group.

    “Bashkirs who hate the Tatars” No they dont.
    “Chechens that hate the Dagestanis”. No they dont either. All of them are muslim majority ethnic groups that go along well. 99% times at least.

    As christians we barely have any controll over them. XDDD

    • Unlike the Russians, the Muslims in Russia actually make an effort to preserve their traditions, instead of bragging about how traditional they are and then imitating westerners anyway. I understand some of the hostility towards them Russians might have, especially because of militants and organised crime from the Caucasus, but at the same time they provide very good examples of how to fight modernity, zionism, and american “culture” that European nationalists could learn from. Gabor Vona is one of the few that understood this very well; the alt-right would still have credibility if it continued to promote such thinkers and excluded rednecks, 4chan trolls, and Trump supporters.

    • “Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.”
      Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935
      “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution”
      The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250
      “Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
      Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936
      Judaism is Marxism, communism”
      Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64
      “The communist soul is the soul of Judaism.”
      Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an
      Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of
      the Jews, 1939), p. 143
      “We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism.”
      The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11
      “The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
      The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51
      “It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement.”
      Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106
      “That achievement – the Russian-Jewish revolution – destined to
      figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely
      the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort
      to reconstruct.”
      The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920
      “The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch
      of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and
      William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31
      “The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism”
      Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix
      “The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders”
      The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11
      “Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement”
      The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20
      “Jewry has come to wield a considerable power in the Communist Party.”
      Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 37
      “The East-Side Jew [Trotsky] that Conquered Europe”
      The liberator (New York), March 1920, pp. 26-27
      “The real East Sider [New York Jew Trotsky] is at the head of things in Russia.”
      M. L. Larkin, in The Public (New York), November 23, 1918, p. 1433
      “It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it
      is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism; all this is in
      perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews.”
      Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 148
      “Karl Marx, who came from an old family of rabbis and brilliant
      Talmudic scholars, was to point the path of victory for the
      L. Rennap, Anti-Semitism and the Jewish Question (London, 1942), p. 31
      “Among his [Karl Marx’s] ancestors were Rabbis and Talmudists, men of learning and keen intellect.”
      Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206
      “The peculiarly Jewish logic of his [Karl Marx’s] mind”
      Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206
      “Mr. Wickham Steed lays the rise of Bolshevism at the doors of Jewry.”
      The Jewish Guardian (London), November 28, 1924, p. 4
      “The Bolshevik Revolution has emancipated the Jews as individuals”
      Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 33
      “There are many Bolshevik leaders of Jewish extraction”
      D. L. Sandelsan, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), February 20, 1920, p. 22
      “There is no Jew who does not hope with all his heart that the Soviet Union will survive and be victorious”
      Zionist Review (London: Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland), September 26, 1941, p. 7
      “Communism and internationalism are in truth and in fact great virtues. Judaism may be justly proud of these virtues”
      Harry Watan, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New
      York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 80
      “If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist internationalism … then the Jewish race is doomed.”
      George Marlen, Stalin, Trotsky, or Lenin (New York, 1937), p. 414
      “The [Jewish] Commissaries were formerly political exiles. They
      had been dreaming of revolution for years in their exile in Paris, in
      London, in New York, in Berlin, everywhere and anywhere. They saw in the
      Bolshevist Movement an opportunity of realizing the extreme ideas of
      Communism and internationalism to which their fate had compelled them.”
      Dr. D. S. Pazmanik, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), September 5, 1919, p. 14
      “The Jewish people will never forget that the Soviet Union was the first country – and as yet the only country in the world – in which anti-Semitism is a crime.”
      Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), January 1942, p. 16
      “Anti-Semitism was classed [by the Soviet Government] as counter-revolution and the severe punishments meted out for acts of anti-Semitism were the means by which the existing order protected its own safety”
      The Congress Bulletin, (New York: American Jewish Congress), January 5, 1940, p. 2
      “There is no official anti-Semitism in Russia; anti-Semitism in Russia is a crime against the State.”
      Dr. Chalm Weizmann, The Jewish People and Palestine (London: Zionist Organization, 1939), p. 7
      “Anti-Communism is anti-Semitism.”
      Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), July-August 1941, p. 23
      “The part which Jews play in the [Communist] Government of the country [Russia] does not appear to be declining”
      Harry Sacher, in The Jewish Review (London), June-August 1932, p. 43
      “The Jews have a right to subordinate to themselves the rest of
      mankind and to be the masters over the whole earth. This is the historic
      destiny of the Jews”
      Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New
      York Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), pp. 99-100
      “We Jews, we the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever.
      Nothing that you will do, will meet our needs and demands. We will
      destroy because we need a world of our own.”
      Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 155
      “The Russian intelligentsia . . . saw in the philosophy of Judaism
      the germs of Bolshevism – the struggle of … Judaism versus
      Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York, July-September 1932, p. 105
      “Soviet Russia has declared war on Christianity, and on those who
      profess this faith. In the Russian villages today Bolsheviks and Herbert
      H. Lehman . . . were called the ‘secret government of the United
      States’ and were linked with ‘world communism.’”
      Dr. Louis Harap, in Jewish Life (New York), June 1951, p. 20
      “The Secretary of War [Winston Churchill] charges Jews with originating the gospel of Antichrist and engineering a ‘world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization’“
      The Jewish Chronicle (London), February 13, 1920, p. 8

    • Ramzpaul really is the Eternal Boomer. Sure, Soviet-style communism was mostly terrible from an economic perspective, but the Berlin Wall was necessary to prevent a brain drain regardless of the economic system involved. Underdeveloped states will never achieve prosperity so long as their most productive and high IQ citizens are allowed to leave for greener pastures. Ramzcuck is basically making the case for mass immigration here.

      • “the Berlin Wall was necessary to prevent a brain drain … Underdeveloped states will never achieve prosperity so long as their most productive and high IQ citizens are allowed to leave for greener pastures”

        You just made RamZPaul’s point … you are literally justifying Communist Jews enslaving half of Germany for decades.

        • RamzPaul’s point was lame virtue signaling and propping up various petty nationalisms in response to Nina Kouprianova tweeting about Russian Victory Day.

          • ‘Russian Victory Day’, symbolises the gigantic win which the Soviet Russian entity gained over the Wehrmacht and over the Kwantung Army.

            Just in case anyone has actually forgotten that. Why is the Alt-Right commemorating this? Literally, why?

          • The Alt Right isn’t commemorating anything. A Russian woman was. And RamzPaul had to butt in because he has a boner for Ronald Reagan speeches and believes Eastern European petty nationalist agitprop.

          • Okay, but I also support spreading Eastern European nationalist agitprop, Central Asian nationalist agitprop, and Caucasus and Circassian nationalist agitprop, Tatar agitprop, and any other kind of similar agitprop.

            I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t. This is one of the few times where whether it is accidental or not, RamzPaul actually got something right for once. Obviously no one actually believes the content of Ronald Reagan speeches, Reagan was just one of the people who had to sell it all to the ‘normal people’.

            See also:

          • “I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t”

            Because Petty Nationalism is retarded. Read Benedict Anderson’s Imagined Communities. All of these “National Identities” are fake and are constructs of the 19th century. Petty Nationalism only came about because of mass media like newspapers where everyone read the same news in the same language. Before that, all identities were regional.

            We need to move beyond nationalism and think about Racial Empire.

          • Well technically everything that humans do is ‘fake’ in the sense that everything beyond the old tribal wigwam/igloo/thatchedhouse village arrangement is born out of the artifice of the process of state formation which began when armed groups began declaring ownership over land and water resources in the territories that sedentary societies had developed.

            I don’t see how fawning at the feet of the Russian Empire which desires to establish a buffer zone across half the Eurasian continent (which apparently includes even the Northern Korean peninsula which is rendered inaccessible to everyone by installing a madhouse there) is any more ‘authentic’ than say, taking money and training from Poles, Britons, Germans, Iranians, Chinese, Japanese, South Koreans or whoever, to strategically oppose Russia by creating lots of satrapies all over Eurasia.

            Surely whichever side you choose is going to be determined by what your economic interest is, and by what your racial interest is.

          • Race can’t be faked and is the most powerful force in human relations in the 21st Century. Nationalism can be fakes. A Muslim Tatar or an Asiatic Siberian is “Russian.” A Mexican illegal or a heathen Chinee is “American.”

          • So hold on, you are acknowledging that Russia is basically encamped atop other people’s lands, and that in ‘real’ nationalism, Tatars and Siberians should actually just secede from Russia?

            Okay, I agree to that idea 100%. But you had started this conversation in opposition to precisely that kind of behaviour.

          • No. Russia should be part of a white empire from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

          • Oh, so you are just claiming that continental Europeans are going to be ridiculous enough to pool their sovereignty with that of Russia willingly?


            Even if Europeans were to do something that stupid, can you think of one seafaring nation that would quite rightly do any and everything including hiring mercenaries to start a war on purpose to disrupt it? I can.

            (Hint: It’s Britain. And seriously, memes aside, Britain would really disrupt it and they’d be correct to do so.)

          • Britain’s foreign policy hasn’t exactly done whites many favors in the last 100 years or so

          • That’s probably one of the most accurate memes on this issue that I’ve seen so far. That is basically how it has been going, and it’s pretty horrifying to see.

          • It can only go up! And that upward trend is largely attributable to me being invited onto the team in 2015. I take full credit for that.

          • I doubt Spencer takes the Dugin stuff any more seriously than he does his own pro-EU ideas. It’s interesting and makes for conversational fodder and blog posts, but it’s not like introducing people to Dugin’s ideas is going to have a particularly huge impact on American (or European) White people.

            Pro-white (and counter-semitic) ideas are growing of their own accord, AFAICT we just need to keep the purity spiralers from driving White people away with their incessant LARPing and faux-ideological purity. As the other commenters mentioned in the previous thread, all the people in the “Alt Lite” will eventually get tired of “liberals are the real racists” and will come over to White Nationalism proper.

            We’ll just have to let them know that the Goldberg LARPers demanding everyone become an ideological Nazitard-Theocratic-Paganist-Trad farmer hiding out in the backwoods pretending to stage a coup against the government are just bored trolls and not to be taken seriously.

          • The EU is implicitly White. No evidence Spencer is LARPing on this.

          • Well if you don’t like Spencer you can always leave, which will make everyone here happy. That will give you more time to watch the latest Gavin dildo and RamzPaul Boomer Cuck YouTube clips.

          • No, it commemorates the victory of Jewish supremacism over nationalism

          • Actually, no, your point was lame virtue signaling and you get triggered by Ramsey because he called out the fact that all the Nazi LARPers are actually Jews long before your partner Joshua Ryne Goldberg was arrested.

            Of course it’s not surprising you have a soft spot for Communism, considering.

          • Stick to the topic at hand, RamzCuck’s lame boomer Mindset, not some Jew troll you autistically bring up in every thread. You’ve brought up that Goldberg guy, now Krafty Wurker will chime in and blame all of WWII on Irish and Italian Catholics.

            Ranting about Commies is dumb. This isn’t Free Republic or World Nut Daily.

          • I hate it when Boomers virtue signal like Paul Ramsey in this instance. I don’t hate all boomers. There was a bad article on this site that said “Boomers sind unsere ungluck!” and I criticized the article because the Alt Right would not exist without David Duke.

            Most Alt Righters are Millenials so why would I hate Millenials?

          • I’m assuming you hate Millennials for the same reason you hate Boomers – your Uncle Shlomo wasn’t invited to the golf club and you still hold a grudge.

            You pretty much do nothing but attack white people who won’t play along with the Goldberg act – you are certainly consistent.

          • No, I only attack Autistic retards like you and Krafty Wurker who post the same B.S. over and over again in every thread. You know, narrow range of interests like “Joshua Goldberg” or “IT Catholicks” means you’re on the Spectrum.

          • It’s telling that mentioning your partner, Goldberg, is so triggering to you. It really gives your whole shtick away.

            You derailed the entire thread by bringing up McInnes in order to purity spiral against White baby boomers. I was on topic; I was responding to the article.

          • Catholics don’t approve of sticking black dildos up ones ass on TV or making out with faggots like Milo. Their both fake ass Catholics and a product of Vatican II.

          • As fake as illiterate low Church holy rollers like Krafty Wurker?

        • -Being expected to stay and work in one’s country of birth after having received decades of free public education and investment.

          -Being “Enslaved”


          • Good luck trying to win White people to the pro-White side with East Germany Communist nostalgia, I’m sure that will work. People voted for Trump because they wall is to keep Mexicans OUT, not white people IN.

      • FFS, I said this was going to happen – the “Alt Right” has now dragged themselves down to Antifa’s level and are now indistinguishable from Antifa itself; they have become the monster they were supposed to fight. Lay down with dogs, stand up with fleas.

        The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the “Anti-Fascist Protective Wall” (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATOcountries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to “fascists” by GDR propaganda.

        • From about the 1930s to the 1950s, Stalin purged most Jews from positions of influence in the Communist Party, and antisemitism became the unofficial policy of the USSR from that point onward—as can be seen by the position of the USSR in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Also, not coincidentally, the USSR was generally socially conservative and traditionalist after the “rootless cosmopolitans” were mostly gone. The Soviet Union subsidized childbearing and taxed those who did not breed. From the perspective of white demographics, therefore, the collapse of the USSR was an absolute tragedy. Male life expectancy fell off a cliff, and much of Eastern Europe is still feeling the generational knock-on effects from the cratering of fertility that occurred in the 1990s. East Germany would be better off if it was still occupied by the Red Army, as opposed to being invaded by low IQ arabs.

        • Yes. If I was the leader of a third world country, I would create the equivalent of the Berlin Wall. We would all be better off if the human capital of third (and second) world was not looted on a regular basis through mass immigration. Such a policy is perfectly consistent with race realism and eugenics, both of which I support.

          • If you have to build a literal wall across the length of a city so as to keep one half of the people separated from the other because of underdevelopment, it means you did something wrong.

            For an example of that on a grander and even more grotesque scale, see North Korea.

          • Any wall built to keep people in is a prison wall.

            Any country that has to shoot escapees is a failure.

          • Lol. I absolutely love the irony of reading sanctimonious, moralistic lectures about purity spiraling, LARPing, and public respectability from a 9/11 truther who writes BDSM spanking erotica on his blog. You really have your finger on the ideological pulse of the average white normie, don’t you?

  • Vincent Law
    Globalization is horrible. I hope your conclusion is just a joke and I will take it that way. Otherwise a great article.

    • I think he meant the globalisation of information. He probably shouldn’t have capitilised the word. If that’s what he meant, I agree with him.

  • They’re celebrating the downfall of Hitler. The Alt-Right should not be glorifying this Jewish spectacle.

    • Please go look up Richard Spencer’s wife. Full on Bolshevik, denies that gulags even existed, claims we are all “right wing idiots” that get everything wrong about the glorious Soviet Union. I’m not joking, look up her twitter.

  • So the real WN don’t celebrate this garbage day yet Richard Spencer’s wife had a meltdown on twitter yesterday, denying gulags existed and spouting Soviet propaganda. Go look for yourselves, fellas. It’s unreal.

    So Spencer is married to a Russian version of a Alt Lite Patriotard. Interesting and hilarious.

      • I’m not too familiar with National Bolshevism (never read Dugin or Limonov) but just from reading the Wikipedia page on it, it sounds like a pretty typical Third Postionist ideology. Socially conservative, ultra nationalist, economically leftist. It also is characterized by the same Pan-European Nationalism that Richard Spencer endorses (and I personally reject.) Calling her a full on Communist might be a little bit of a stretch (she doesn’t seem to endorse the Leninist/Trotskyite varities of Communism) but yeah, I can’t really get behind her statements on Twitter. Fuck the Soviet Union.

        • She uses “nazi” and “right winger” as a slur, and seems to suffer from a really distorted high opinion of herself, which is both sad and hilarious. Her arguing is like that of a far leftist “I’ve got a PhD in Russian History you peasant!!”

  • Were they aware that Richard Spencer’s wife is a communist? What did they think of him? You didn’t say, wonder why…..

  • haha, you’ll be ramping up the Russophobia to an even greater level with this report. The gutter press like slate and buzzfeed will be raising the alarm about the new Black Hundreds.

    • Wait until someone says, “LOL we made it all up and you dumb bastards reported it”.

      Anyone watched any recent Russian WWII movies on YouTube? The Russian war flicks start out with the hero getting his face beat in by the NKVD. He’s redeemed by the German attack, because the Russians need officers, because so many were shot in Stalin’s purge of the Red Army. Take it from there…

    • Hipsterism = Dogs instead of babies.

      Hipsterism = Self-Inflicted White Genocide

      Hipsters are a Genocide on white people!

        • “Hipsterism” is just another form of white flight. It’s steeped in deep investments in subcultural nonsense which are specifically divorced from moral dimensions and hence potential political conflict.

          You can pretend that the “Hipster” label applies to a wide swath of the white population because of what frizzy haired mulattoes preach in “Whiteness Studies” but that isn’t the common understanding of what the term means.

          • First of all, “hipsterism” isn’t a real thing – it’s an ironic label that was picked up by anti-whites and now it is essentially an anti-white slur. Second, the people that are usually labelled “hipsters” are the ones doing a “reverse white flight” and engaging in gentrification in urban areas and are attacked by anti-whites precisely because of that.

            Third, the “common understanding” of the word is two-fold: first, the aforementioned ironic label, and second, the anti-white slur.

            ” It’s steeped in deep investments in subcultural nonsense”

            Ironically, it’s pretty much the opposite of that – that’s the whole point of the original label, it was an ironic non-embrace of subculturalism. You are thinking of the “punk rockers” – like Gavin McInnes’ generation – they were the ones that invested in their subculture and took it seriously. “Hipsters” never did.

            The kids that listen to “fashwave” and the like are “hipsters” by anyone’s definition. The “Alt Right” is a “hipster racist” movement, and labelled such by anti-whites and the left. Young white families that live in cities are labelled “hipsters.” Young White evangelical Christians are labelled “hipsters.”

            The word is a joke – when it actually used descriptively it means “white.”

          • Hipsterism is absolutely a thing and it is basically white people pretending to be apolitical by only caring deeply about bullshit which can’t be used to peg an identity to. The people who are doing “reverse white flight” are overwhelmingly on the far left and are disproportionately Jewish and homosexual.

          • “only caring deeply about bullshit ”

            Ironically, the left always attacks “hipsters” because they are not invested in anti-white politics. A few years back the Wall Street Journal did a profile of Rand Paul’s likely voters and described them as “hipsters” that never embraced anti-white identity politics.

            Also as a cultural term “hipster” implies people who do NOT take subculture seriously. I didn’t invent the term – I’m using it the way it is actually used and pointing out its use as an anti-white slur as well as an ironic self-label often used by whites to mean “white.”

            “The people who are doing “reverse white flight” are overwhelmingly on
            the far left and are disproportionately Jewish and homosexual.”

            If by “left” you mean “anti-white” you are incorrect, and as for Jews and homosexuals – neither of them are usually labeled as “hipsters” either.

            Again, I didn’t invent the term and the way you are using the term is the same way that anti-whites use the term. You are likely not aware of that as you yourself have picked up anti-white stereotypes, apparently.

          • Used by the Right, it seems as if it is more often a synonym for SWPL– Whites who verbally signal allegiance to anti-White progressive orthodoxy, and look down on “rednecks” and “White trash” and “racists,” but who engage in implicitly White activities and culture, but would never admit to it in those terms. In this sense, ramping up the use of “hipster” as a slur is good– as long as they grow to understand that it is their whiteness that is the problem, not any more superficial trait.

          • Yes, and the “right” is using both terms – SWPL and hipster – incorrectly. Neither had anything uniquely to do with “signal[ing] allegiance to anti-White progressive orthodoxy” and both labels, SWPL and hipsters, are almost always used by anti-whites to mean “whites who may be liberals but who are still totally racist.”

            As I said, “hipster” has now become nothing but yet another permutation of “white racist” – half the time the word “hipster” is used descriptively it’s paired with “racist.”

            “.In this sense, ramping up the use of “hipster” as a slur is good– as
            long as they grow to understand that it is their whiteness that is the
            problem, not any more superficial trait.”

            Well that is certainly what the anti-whites are using the term “hipster” to do – telling white people that being white is a problem.

            Just a few years ago the term “hipster” was being used to describe urban whites who had NOT embraced anti-white identity politics – hence why they came up with “hipster racism.”

            It hardly matters because there is not such thing as a “hipster” anyway, no one identifies as a “hipster” – it’s just a silly stereotype that a handful of people adopted in as an ironic insult.

          • “Yes, and the “right” is using both terms – SWPL and hipster – incorrectly.”

            More ironically, in most cases. Especially SWPL, which is typically taken to mean, not “the type of White person portrayed on the eponymous website,” but rather “the type of White person who would take that website seriously.” And the term “hipster” is a little tough to define precisely, especially since it seems to be applied to others far more than it is adopted as a self-description. But I think I’m headed down a semantic rabbit hole here, so…

        • Rod Dreher is a FIFTY year old writer for the American Conservative. He’s pretty much the exact opposite of a “hipster.”

          I really lucked out when I picked this handle as a joke five years ago – it really triggers anti-whites, of both the “left” and (((“right”))) variety.

          • Gavin McInnes INVENTED hipsters and is 46. Dreher is a hipster. Sorry if it triggers you that a sack of crap like Rod Dreher is readily identifiable with your Disqus handle.

          • McInnes didn’t invent hipsters. I had to look up who Dreher is because apparently only Jewish Nazis even know who he is. It’s amusing, but not at all surprising, that you sound like a typical anti-white Jew – you use the same insults and have the same sneering contempt for White people that they do, which I guess isn’t surprising, considering…

          • You had to look up Dreher because you’re a dilettante who doesn’t know $h!t from shinola.

            I do have contempt for most urban SWPL hipsters because they’re not on our side. Not hard to understand. The real question is, why do you identify with and defend self loathing White hipster liberals?

          • “they’re not on our side.”

            They are not on your side, certainly. I’m White, and far from self-loathing. The hipsters that I know have white children – something I’m guessing you do not. You know, that whole “14 words” and all?

            Again, not at all surprising coming from a Finkelstein.

          • All the hipster bastions like Brooklyn and Portland are well known for their right wing politics Wasn’t it in Portland where a Cuck Multnomah GOP rally was shut down in Hipster central? It’s not my fault most hipsters suck ass. Key word is Most. Not all do because I’m not making a blanket statement. Of course in your Sperg tantrum you fail to see that.

          • According to you, millennial urban whites suck ass, and conservative rural whites suck ass (they are “cucks”) – and boomers suck ass – are there any White people you don’t hate? Or all we all just “goyims” to you?

            Wait, don’t answer that – the answer is obvious.

          • Many Millennial Urban whites do suck ass, look at the way they vote.

            Rural Whites are fine, thanks for interjecting them into the conversation. Rural whites make a fine juxtaposition with Urban SWPLs who love diversity but live in white neighborhoods!

      • Liberals are the real racists.

        It’s mostly a joke, but just read the articles written about “hipsters” and “hipster racism” in the last DECADE – it’s pure anti-white hate and demonization. It really proves the point that even if you are “liberal” – if you are white you are, by definition, “racist.”

        The term “hipster” is in fact used as a racial slur for urban white youth – it’s a “code word” in the same way that “thug” and “youth” are code words for urban black youth.

        Let the Asian explain:

        “What the worst thing you can call a white person?”

      • In fact, just read this comment from the video:

        “Despite its ironic intent and context, hipster racism still appears to perpetuate prejudicial racial ideologies. The difference between more harsh forms of prejudice is that this style of speech seems appropriate and relevant ingrained in the belief that it does no real harm. Those who exhibit hipster racist tendencies seek to escape accusations of racist behaviour on the grounds that they were “only joking.””

        They are serious, by the way. “Hipster Racism” is an academic subject and part of “whiteness studies.”

        • This is, of course, an excellent avenue for attacking self-hating Whites– LARP as a POC, and attack them for “racism,” no matter how self-flagellating they are. Make it clear that “racist” = White; that there’s no where to hide. No safe space.

          • Except none of the people you are describing as “hipsters” are “self-hating whites.” So you’re just barking up the wrong tree here.

          • The tactic is not dependent on the exact semantics. I’m not particularly invested in an exact meaning for “hipster,” tbh. But it’s important for people to realize that “racist” means, not “badwhytes like Clevon from the trailer park,” but “White.” In another sense, “racist” simply means “heretic,” of course– a way of shutting down discourse without addressing truth vs. falsehood.

            It’s also important to devalue accusations of “racism,” “anti-semitism,” “xenophobia,” etc., so it’s useful to dispense them liberally.

          • The “SWPL” book came out and was immediately embraced as a sort of proto-white identity, of course somewhat tongue-in-cheek. It followed another book, “Bohemian Bourgeois” which had the same meaning.

            This actually caused consternation among anti-whites – all of sudden people were identifying as “white” who were very much NOT Clevon from the trailer park. The “SWPL” guy even had an interview where he was all but forced to deny he wasn’t “racist.”

            “Hipster” came out in the early 2000s and it was literally just a silly joke – white music nerds making fun of each other. It almost immediately became a hate slur – just like “yuppie” was quickly turned into a slur that meant “racist whites who don’t embrace left wing politics and the counterculture” as opposed to “young urban professional.”

            No one actually called themselves a “hipster” – but the term was quickly adopted by anti-whites via “hipster racism” – which is supposed to be a serious academic concern but was instead used to simply remind even “liberal” whites that they are just as bad as those Clevons in the Ku Klux Klan.

            But the fact is that the people labeled “hipsters” just don’t buy into the anti-white identity politics and anti-whites are terrified that the rather silly identity of “SWPL” or “hipster” might actually turn into a proto-white identity.

            Hence – all the commentary about Spencer’s haircut …

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