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White People Need An Anti-Globalist Church

The French government’s decision last year to demolish 2,800 churches across the country is a dark omen for the West; especially when much better-attended mosques are given luxury renovations.  Whether you are a Theist or not, for the state to destroy exquisite Neo-Gothic architecture is an attack on Western civilization and a manifestation of our utter disconnect from our ancestors.  Meanwhile, across the Channel, the Church of England cash crisis spells a similar end to English cathedrals.  But how do Alt-Righters feel about this?

Many, of course, see Christianity as a big mistake – an oriental religion which was imposed on our ancestors by the sword; after all, it has gradually feminised our men into pathological altruism.  Yet, others meme, ‘Deus Vult!’ and hope the next Pope will act as the voice of Europeans who want an end to the mass immigration, which is destabilising homogeneity and radically changing national character.  Many insist that the alt-right should rather aim to reform liberalism and leave behind the significant role of the Church in the history and development of Europe.  After all, liberalism has dominated the West for centuries now, including Christianity.  Therefore, it is asserted that we should push race-realism and attack liberalism’s core tenet of hyper-individualism.  If people still need religion, they should look to the Pagan religions of their forefathers which didn’t teach any of this ‘turn the other cheek’ nonsense.

I, however, find this to be a very disjointed view of all three movements – Paganism, Christianity and liberalism.  They are so intrinsically linked in Western history that, for one to be reformed, would require the reformation of them all.  For instance, when I think of liberalism, I do not necessarily think of the modern hyper-individualist, globalist democracy, reducing man to a mere economic unit and promoting cultural Marxism worldwide; I think of the development of libertarian systems of law, uniquely produced by Europeans – systematic and rational systems of law, descended from the libertarian primus inter pares of the Indo-European aristocracies of old.  And which institution produced Western law privately?  The Church.  But, the essential tie which binds the faith to a reformed liberalism is stronger than this.

Answer this: what fundamentally needs to be reformed in liberalism? 

As Alexander Dugin has identified in his ‘fourth political theory’, the historical subject of liberalism proper (whether classical or modern) is the individual, to liberate her from everything that was external to her (faith, tradition, authority).  The consequences of this hyper-individualistic liberalism are mapped nicely by Alex Kurtagic in his review of Dugin’s The Fourth Political Theory, ‘Unthinking Liberalism’:

‘[W]hen you get rid of the transcendent, you end up with a world that is entirely rational and material. Happiness then becomes a question of material increase… When you get rid of the transcendent, you also eliminate hierarchy: all men become equal. If all men are equal, then what applies to one must apply to all, which means universalism. Similarly, if all men are equal, then all deserve an equal slice of the pie, so full democracy, with universal suffrage, becomes the ideal form of government.’

In a nutshell, no Church – no hierarchy, no natural order.  Sure, the libertarian values of Europeans as developed by the Romanised, Germanised Church sought to strike a balance between the power of the proud paterfamilias of the Northern tribesman and the sovereign.  The common conscience could not allow a father the right to brutalise his wife, children and slaves; their defence by the king was only an obligation and afforded him no superior rights, as ensured by the Church.  But, as Kuehnelt-Leddihn demonstrated in his great works, especially Liberty or Equality, equity and equality are not synonymous – this sort of legal liberalism was in no way egalitarian, democratic or leftist.

On the contrary, the political aim of the Church was the natural order, as opposed to the artificial equality of tyrannical democracy or the artificial inequality of tyrannical oligarchies (the broad-brush typically used to depict all of medieval history).  On the subject of political power, Pope Benedict XVI asserted that the Church ‘forms the only definitive protection against the power of the collective and at the same time implies the complete abolition of any idea of exclusiveness in humanity as a whole.’  No strong Church – no strong platform to reform liberalism.

Furthermore, the Church satisfies our inherent sense of transcendence, something liberalism can never do.  We cannot think in terms of ‘if’ our people need religion; religion is a social necessity.  Indeed, in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, self-transcendence is that highest of attainments which our species yearns for.  This makes the Church our silver bullet against liberalism.

In its current form, soulless and without our noblest of human needs being met, liberalism has caused the West to lose its culture and its common conscience toward one’s folk or even immediate family.  Today, the ideal man is a mere economic unit with increasingly bizarre and degenerate peripheral quirks invented to pathetically garner some semblance of an identity.  The ideal man of the Church is the knight or warrior-king who was a gentleman towards his people – all of his people – but ready to protect them from outside threats.

But isn’t Christianity too weak to handle the threats the West faces today, within and without?

To begin, I’m just going to dismiss all contradictory arguments made by Pagans, such as that Christianity was both really mean in taking power over Europe but is also too pacifist to defend Europe; or that Christianity is an effeminate slave ethic, for there’s nothing more masculine than taking care of your people and treating them like family.  These arguments are not intellectually consistent.

Of course, the pros and cons of the Church’s influence in Western development must be weighed.  For instance, without the Church, a unified Europe with a transcendent, long-term vision to harness the Faustian spirit is unthinkable – this is best illustrated by the heaven-conquering gothic cathedrals which dominated the continent.  But, whilst Belloc could quite rightly say that ‘Europe is the faith, and the faith is Europe’, the same universalist spirit which united Europe comes from a Church which does not distinguish herself as an exclusively European religion.  The chief complaint is that the Church was never designed to focus on such natural identitarian instincts, as did Paganism.

It is impossible to ignore the fact that Christianity is a universal religion for every tribe, tongue, people and nation, to paraphrase The Revelation.  However, this does not contradict where the New Testament writers speak of ethnonationalism, nor instances where early church fathers, such as Tertullian or Augustine, write of the same.  Contrary to popular belief, the Romans were thoroughly ethno-nationalistic; such considerations were ubiquitous for the early Church.  In traditional Roman Christianity, the spiritual and temporal swords (the Church and the state) are not one and the same; it’s not the place of the Church to implement an immigration policy for the good of the people (although they have often pushed to expel certain groups).  Nevertheless, Christianity has evolved for centuries to become a thoroughly European religion.

Even before the rise of Christianity, the influence of Indo-European and Indo-Aryan religions on Judaism was enormous.  The myths of Genesis, monotheism, angels and demons, heaven and hell, spiritual warfare and even messianism – all were developed from ‘the white man’s’ religions.  Many have written of the influences of neighbouring Near-Eastern groups, especially the Persians, on Judaism, but Hengel’s work on the Hellenisation of Judaism, following the conquests of Alexander the Great, shows how the all-pervasive influence of Greek civilization on the region paved the way for the rise of Christianity.

First-century Judea was rife with Hebrew supremacism and rebellion against Rome.  But those who would transcend beyond this, submit to Caesar and seek an abstract, ideal kingdom would be saved from the destruction which was to come upon Jerusalem, during the Jewish-Roman Wars.  It was these very Indo-European elements of Christianity, crystallised in a way, which made it so appealing to Europeans.  And, for centuries since, we have been making it our own.

Everywhere we look in Catholicism, we see a thoroughly Romanised religion and institution.  Of course, the influence of Greek philosophy, especially Aristotle, cannot be ignored.  Moreover, the ‘Germanization’ of early medieval Christianity in Europe, as expounded by James C. Russell, is just as big a milestone in the development of the European Church.  Yet, how many of us see it as our own?

Whilst Eastern Europeans have returned to their churches, understanding that the Church represents our most powerful cultural technology for fighting the daily mounting threats to European civilization, we take her for granted.  They emerged from the ashes of communism with this lesson, yet Alt-Righters sit at their computers, mourning a lack of like-minded community, while our churches are being physically destroyed for lack of attendance, except for old ladies and third-worlders.  The Church has saved us before from the threats we now face and it’s staring us in the face now as our best solution.

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Lynda
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Historic Christianity has been infiltrated and subverted to be a tool of the new/Jew one world religion – the Orthodox through the World Council of Churches, but the Roman Catholics are expected to do the heavy lifting as far as folding in all the other religions. That is what Assisi was about. With the Catholic Church, the organisational and material structures are now in the hands of the novus ordo post Vatican II church (a new religion that subverts Roman Catholic faith and morals). There are a lot of traditional Catholic communities which observe the traditional faith. Nationalism – the… Read more »
Walter Oleg
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I have a favorable feeling towards historic Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox) but if the churches continue to work against White survival then it will be time for something new. I’d assume see every Cathedral in Europe collapse before accepting White death. At the same time I’d find it almost as repugnant if Whites lived on through Islam.

Mark Citadel
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For those interested in how “Love your enemies” used to be understood vs. how it is understood today, I recommend the transcript of this speech given by Ivan Ilyin in Paris, in which he draws upon the teachings of St. Theodosius of the Kiev caves. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3034357/posts Basically, the term at issue here is “enemy”. What does that mean? Ilyin makes the case that throughout most of history, this was thought to mean “personal enemies”. So, people who might slap you in the street, brothers who might insult you, etc. It can thus be interpreted as another way of saying “don’t… Read more »
Gary Boyer
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While Christianity does teach altruism and to love our enemies, many of the passages used to promote pacifism are taken out of context, and most have to do with resisting the temptation of revenge which may lead to repaying evil with evil. They are almost always about not using violence on the offense, and not about avoiding self-defense. Jesus didn’t want Peter to defend Him the night of His arrest because He knew He had to fulfill prophecy and be crucified, yet this story is where most pacifists point to for their “proof” that Jesus taught pacifism. In context, this… Read more »
McHappy
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Boomer America flushed white down the toilet.

Cobbett
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Well…we can believe in Christ the Saviour…or we can win back our civilisation.

JMB
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“Turn the other cheek” was taken out of context & twisted to make us weak. “Love thy neighbor as you love yourself ” is completely Identitarian. And of course jews being the chosen is a lie to stop Europeans focusing on ourselves & serve (((them))). This Christian refuses all of that. It is nonsense. I will not attend any church until I find one that teaches against these lies. Christianity is European/white & just like everything else it has to be stolen & perverted to control us. Today Christians just give in & go along with whatever. Just like the… Read more »
Evolver1
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You do know, of course, that Jesus was Jewish, right? He was the first Christian and without him there is no Christianity. Thus, Christianity is really a Jewish cult.

JMB
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I respectfully disagree. The jewish pharisees (zionists) condemned Jesus and refused salvation. Therefore giving gentiles salvation. This was foretold to happen therefore making salvation for non jews.
I say “respectfully” because I see why you believe it is a jewish cult. Jews took it over long after the crusades, weakening us by demanding for us to serve them because they are the “chosen”. A true Christian will see through that BS.

Evolver1
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A Jew is one who is born of a Jewish mother. Jesus was a Jew. The fact that he taught some things that other more religious Jews of his day rejected does not change his ethnicity.

Marathon-Youth
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Everything from the Garden of Gethsemane to the Resurrection are completely rejected by Judaism, including the miracle of the last Supper.

Evolver1
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I didn’t write that Jesus followed orthodox Judaism and it is clear that he was teaching things (especially the fact that he was the son of God) that were rejected by religious Jews of his day (and our day as well).

No, I wrote that Jesus was Jewish. And, he was.

Evolver1
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More…One does not change one’s race or ethnicity by changing religious teachings.

Marathon-Youth
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No Christ was not Jewish the way you present it. Christ was a Galilean not a Judaian. the word “Jew” is European and not a term used by Jews during the time of Christ. but What separates Christ from Judaism and Jews are a few important facts. -Palm Sunday when Christ came to Jerusalem during the “Jewish” Passover, & turned the money lending tables over in the Temple of Jerusalem. That act broke Christ from Judaism. 5 days later he was brought to Pontius Pilote and accused of treason (some of the coins were of Ceasor Tiberius) and blasphemy for… Read more »
Evolver1
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One might also try to argue that Karl Marx wasn’t Jewish because he was an atheist. In fact, Marx had two grandfathers who were Rabbis.

The point is that one can be an ethnic Jew and not follow orthodox Judaism–and Jesus was an ethnic Jew and much of his teachings are straight out of Jewish teachings with a tweak here and there.

ignatius
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Christian Identity is the truth of what Christianity is. Christianity has been our racial religion from the beginning but the Edomite offspring of Satan have been attacking it with lies like Christ said to them at John 8.

yar56
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Instead of churches we should strive to have places to gather. A get together for Sunday lunch for people to meet, kids to play, help each other (for those struggling to find work or food), etc. Basically what churches used to be about. Community outreach to our brothers and sisters will win a lot of hearts and minds while changing our perception to those still on the fence.

John de Nugent
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I am creating a new Aryan religion with popular Christian elements, which in turn are actually originally Zoroastrian, Germanic, Greco-Roman and Keltic elements, and thus Indo-European. We just cannot go BACKWARD to the moribund and discredited Churchianity, nor, as AH said, to Odinism, and certainly not to anything rooted in the horrific Old Testament, which is just the Early Talmud. There is massive evidence of NDEs (“Near Death Experiences”) and even reincarnation, and those are indisputably ancient Aryan doctrines. Life after death means a warrior who falls in battle for his race lives on in honor and glory.

Jimmy Flounderello
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Our Sunday school nun taught us that rock music was, “primitive, similar to African music.” Say it, Sister!

Evolver1
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I noticed two of my comments have been censored on this subject. They weren’t threatening or anything like that but just pointed out why Christianity is not good for Whites who want to survive.

harman1
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We have a spiritual vacuum,we can fill it once again as a race.Women will become wives and mothers,the natural order will be re-established and all else will follow.Liberalism is dying,we can show the way.

Evolver1
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Whites worshiping a dead Jew. There’s something very wrong about that.

Marathon-Youth
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The “dead Jew” aspect is what the Jews believe. As I see it the Resurrection is the act Christians believe and Jews reject.

Evolver1
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Jesus was just another Jew with a self-help plan to be sold to an easily suggestible and gullible people, much like the Jews today who give all those self-help, high energy talks about everything from vitamins to how to flip houses, etc.

JosephtheGreat
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I don’t think I’ll ever step inside a church again. As a child I went to Methodist church but my memory of it is vague and uninteresting. All I can remember is a bunch of standing to sing and boring sermons that I honestly never paid attention to. About at the age of 8 or 9 my mom stopped taking me to church because her and my dad got divorced, and that’s where my experience with Christianity ends. I gained nothing that would attract me back to it. While we still celebrated christian holidays, there was nothing else I ever… Read more »
VictoryOrValhalla
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Do you know why Islam tears down the monuments and idols of those it conquers? It is to break the spirit, and to eradicate his past. Men without a past, are men without a future. With no statues and no temples, no books and no songs, the physical foundation of his culture is obliterated. His past is forgotten by the next generation. His will to fight is reduced to mere primal self-preservation. A tactic of conquest employed by imperial Rome, now perverted and used against us. Men need faith – that it why (((they))) destroy it. The question of “has… Read more »
Melinda Ross
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That’s why Confederate monuments are being torn down as well. The Confederates were our bravest fighters, the most stubborn. That’s is why the Scot-Irish were brought here. I think the spirit of Christianity is important although in my experiences, the churches suck. I don’t need to be abused by white men anymore than I already have. But look at shows like The Andy Griffith Show or Father Knows Best. We were a kinder, gentler nation without significant drug abuse, divorce, or school shootings. The basic principles of kindness and civility were worth something. But I don’t mind when Richard Spencer… Read more »
4DPOETRY
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I am atheist and believe most people have a built in moral code, unfortunately that leads to individualism which makes us weak as an ethnic group, we need collectivism if we are going to fight off both the collective ideologies of Marxism and Islam, it’s like a pincer attack, and not only that, they have the propaganda machine pointing both barrels at our kids. Seems like we need to get back to a religious footing, take back the education and spiritual upbringing of our kids, cut ourselves off completely from government dependency and government interference and start working together as… Read more »
sane whiteguy
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I go with the idea that some people are Jewish, some people are Muslim, some people are Christian. I’m Christian and try to make the best of things. Most churches suck. Same as most TV shows, Cable News, Hollywood movies suck.

harman1
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I said a few years ago that we should fill the churches.Churches would become ‘our place’,our community,defining us as different form the chaotic and violent mobs.I was mocked for my suggestion but have since returned to church and glad of it. Attending church has not softened my stance on Nationalism,I am strengthened by it.

Stephen
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There is a danger in trying to make the religion fit the current day politics. The Bible says do not worship false idols, this could include nationalism, ethnocentrism, etc. The religion must inform the politics not the other way around. Christianity becoming to explicitly political is a cause for its decline in recent decades, in my view.

Evolver1
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Your authority is the Bible? You are on the wrong track.

jabowery
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https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/sortocracy-and-meta-government-a-new-spiritual-system

There is a difference between preservation and evolution. Culture is artificial selection. A pro-white culture does more than preserve whiteness. It repairs the damage already done to whiteness by dysgenics and then furthers the evolutionary _direction_ of “whiteness”.

Seek ye first fair evolution and all these things shall be added unto you.

Melinda Ross
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If people don’t need religion, then why do they need drugs and therapy? Churches became irrelevant long ago. We are better educated and more sophisticated than people used to be. We don’t need some old, white guys telling us what to do. I think we need connection to our soul. I believe in God and I believe in miracles. My husband will attest to the fact that I have had some pretty stunning ones in my life. I believe we need some kind of spirituality that allows us to come together and access the Spirit, especially when so many people… Read more »
ThomasER916
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>They need to connect with humanity.

Let’s talk about “humanity” and where America is heading…

“Before the camps, I regarded the existence of nationality as something that shouldn’t be noticed—nationality did not really exist, only humanity. But in the camps one learns: if you belong to a successful nation you are protected and you survive. If you are part of universal humanity—too bad for you.” ~ Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

Melinda Ross
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Anyone who would say that Christianity feminized our men, hasn’t been around for very long. The sexual revolution and feminism feminized our men, as per Charles Murray. Liberalism is the core tenant of hyper-individualism? These days, it’s all about following a certain train of thought or you’re out. It’s about walking in lock-step with the crowd. America was built on rugged individualism and it seems to have worked out quite well.

sane whiteguy
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In “theory” we could have a pro European Catholic Pope. In “theory” we could have pro White, pro European American, pro traditional English Libertarians with sensible views on mass immigration…. But, the reality is we don’t live in theory. We live in the real world. The latest CINO (Catholic in name only) Pope Francis wants to be a pop liberal rock star featured in glowing terms on Rolling Stone Magazine – which he was. This Pope likes to do propaganda photo ops where he literally licks the boots of invading Black/Muslim male migrant invaders to Italy. Libertarians just D*&$*# suck… Read more »
Walter Oleg
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I noticed that forced inclusion is emphasized more than anything in the RC and mainline protestant churches. You can be pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, trans-whatever, even an atheist and they’ll accept you “as you are,” but reject forced inclusion and you’ll be called a “sinner.” What this means is that the churches are just another institution controlled by the globalist enemy. The former USSR was more “white nationalist” than the West today.So institutions are a reflection of who controls them. The question is, when it comes to Christianity, is whether racial destruction is inherent to it? I know some will argue… Read more »
craicher
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Russia recently banned the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Good. I was at a Taoist temple here in East Asia the other day, as a tourist that is. Anyway, it is not like they would request I don’t visit because I am a racial alien. The same for Christian Churches in the West. That just is not their function. The Church is not going to save the White race. But if the White man is to save himself it is well and good for him to have a Traditional religion like Catholicism or Orthodoxy to fill his spiritual needs. It is such a… Read more »
Crud Bonemeal
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I don’t know anything about Eastern Religions.

But if we tried to take over the East, the way they are taking over the West… I’d bet that a few of those Eastern Religions would have something to say about it.

Christianity is just failing us badly when it has nothing to say about #WhiteGenocide

Crud Bonemeal
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Christianity just doesn’t have anything interesting to say about the most important moral questions of the day.

Like, “what kind of people will live on this continent”. It says they should be Christian people.

But it doesn’t seem to care what race of people they are. Which is short sighted, given that race is a major determinant of behavior. African Christian Europe and European Christian Europe will be very different places.

People can be Christian or not, but it should not be expected to save us. And normal people probably shouldn’t take it too seriously.

Clark Kent
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My parents keep trying to drag me to their church but the one time I went it was all Filipinos and race-mixers in the pews.
My parents dont get that what I want is racial kinship. Filipinos are nice, but I don’t want to make Filipino babies.

vintologi
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We need a new religion for sure

http://datorissten.clanz.co/topic6.html

Smultronstället
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According to all kinds of studies, devout church-goers allegedly have lower blood-pressure and fewer symptoms of anxiety. This might well be the case, but if you don’t actually believe in God, if you’re not actually devout and just try to use religion as a kind of medical trick to lower your blood pressure, it won’t work anymore. And the same is the true in regards to the socio-cultural functions of religion. Charles Péguy once defined a “modernist” as someone who doesn’t believe what he believes. And if you don’t have faith in God but faith in faith, don’t believe in… Read more »
DavidFinklestein
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Monotheism was designed to program people to accept central control.

One Man's Chorus
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I don’t see whites returning to paganism, and an atheist population has no investment in the future. We really need to recapture our churches from the modernists.

R. Casimir
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But so many futurists are atheists. Do you actually know any atheists or are you just reciting things you read somewhere. It sounds like the old canard ‘without god you can not have any morality’, and yet atheists are under-represented in prison populations.

One Man's Chorus
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Why does it matter if I know any atheists? My experience with individual atheists won’t tell me how an entire society of atheists would turn out. If I know some nice Marxists, that doesn’t mean a Marxist society would be nice.

A population that denies God’s existence will see humanity’s existence as absurd, because if God doesn’t exist then there’s no conscious reason for man’s existence. An atheist population will lose the will to pass itself on. You’ll get existentialists and nihilists, not futurists.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((
The Communal and Social Aspects of the Church is what a lot of White People miss…… Some don’t miss it…….because they never knew it……. But, how do you go to a Church when you’re an Atheist?? It seems rather Dishonest……. Even as an Atheist…….I still Pray……. I Pray to my Ancestors every day……… I know they’re Dead……..but, they still Live Inside Me…….in a Way……. I’m sure New Religions/Churches could be created……..for Whites without Faith……… Where we Play Music……Sing……..Perform Rituals………Give Thanks for Good Things……. Honor our Ancestors……. Meditate……. Listen to Sermons, Poetry, or Homilies……. Reorient ourselves towards Positivity and Optimism……. The… Read more »
Hildi H
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What you’re describing sounds a lot like the Agnostics or the Unitarian Universalists but I think they support globalism and they’re definately into the multi-cult.

Scott Schroeder
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I seriously question whether this is worth saving: Matthew 10 KJV 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of… Read more »
Hildi H
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For the Matthew passage, Jesus is telling his disciples to be prepared for persecution. And that people will be divided by those who believe in him and those who don’t.
For the Luke passage, Jesus is referring to how people will be divided by those who are baptized and those that aren’t.

DavidFinklestein
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NT is so transparently full of crap, it baffles that people can’t see it. Church fails man? Blame it on original sin. Church is born to fail? Tell people to be prepared for persecution. And on and on. It is like the whole religion is based on deflecting its own short comings. I am NOT an atheist, but surely gods exist who don’t require paradox.

Hildi H
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Haha, I know what you mean 🙂

Scott Schroeder
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He’s saying words before blood.

Hildi H
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Well… He’s saying God before blood but if you don’t believe then that’s your interpretation.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Believe what?

That Jesus ‘ascended’ into Heaven?

Where’s Heaven??……..

Up in the Clouds somewhere??

How did Jesus climb a High Mountain with Satan and see all the Cities of the World……..

….if the Earth is a Sphere??

Hildi H
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Lol

Scott Schroeder
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Yes, God’s word. But if you want to make Christianity pro-white, good luck.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

God’s word??

Ha!!

How does God speak to you while you read Leviticus??

Hildi H
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People are starting to speak up. My pastor prayed last week during church for God to remind us that He created the nations. It’s happening. Hopefully, sooner rather than later.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

smh…….

Facepalm……

Hildi H
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Cool. What have you done for your race today keyboard warrior?

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Tried to inform my White Brother of the Folly of his Ways……

Hildi H
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And my pastor telling the congregation that separate Nations are Gods will is “facepalm”?
*eyeroll*

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Separate Nations are based on the Collective Will of Races/Ethnicities……

Thus Sprach Richard Spencer…..

Ha!!!

But, anyway……

I should just mind my own business……..

PEACE…..

Hildi H
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Different means, same end. Peace to you as well brother.

Hildi H
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The most pro-white churches I’ve experienced are the ones that combine their ethnic culture with the church. The Orthodox churches are mostly like that, a few Lutheran churches are still like that. But thanks, we’ll need the luck. I honestly believe that the more pro-White people are in the church the more pro-white the church will be. The church lost a lot of people because they cucked and people that were altrighters in spirit left.

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))) Depeche Europa (((

So……

Paul says in the Epistles that ‘Everyone is One in Christ Jesus’…….

So, why don’t you invite Blacks and other Non-Whites into your Church……

…..to be Consistent with your Biblical Christianity??

Hildi H
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Paul is referring to spirituality not race. God calls for the nations to be separate as he created them. In the same way we were created man and woman, God also divided men into nations.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Is Batman going to finally save Gotham??

Tune in to Batman III!

Evolution created Life on Earth, My Brother……..

Nations were created by Migrations, Separations, and Bloodshed among Different Human Groups……

Anyway……

This is pretty pointless……..

We believe in Different Cosmologies…….

But, we’re both White…..

And so we’re in the Same Family……

PEACE…..

Hildi H
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👌🏻

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

White Power!!

Ha!!

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))) Depeche Europa (((

Your Point?

Jesus and his Disciples were Jewish……

Are you Jewish??

Hildi H
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No, I’m Lutheran. And they became Christian when they were baptized. Still ethnically jewish I guess, but Jesus isn’t saying they’re going to be persecuted or divided because they’re “jewish” but because they’re following Jesus. I’m trying to help answer Scott’s question.

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Huh??

They didn’t call themselves Christians until long after Jesus died……..

Jesus’s Jewish Followers thought that their Religion was the Fulfillment of the Prophecies……..

…..and the True Jewish Faith……..

The Point is…….

Why as a White Goy you feel the need to believe in a Jewish Religion is Strange………

Hildi H
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I was born into it and it’s been my family’s cultural tradition for generations. Religion isn’t all scripture and dogma. Community, culture, and tradition are where I find a lot of value in my church.

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))) Depeche Europa (((

You’re a Good Person……

RESPECT…..

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))) Depeche Europa (((

The Bible is full of Insane Stuff like that…….

Go read Revelations……

Ha!!

LSD might have been discovered a lot earlier…….

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))) Depeche Europa (((
Sorry, I don’t believe in God……. I grew up in a Christian Home with a Pastor Father and went to a Christian College……. I’ve thought through all aspects of the Debate………for years…….. I have a Degree in Science…….. I’ve studied different Religions…… I’ve studied Philosophy…… I’ve studied Myself…… I’ve studied Life……. I just don’t believe it…… Does that mean that if I was on a Plane falling into the Ocean……. …..that I wouldn’t cry out “God, Please Save Me!”???? No…… But, to me that just proves my point…….. But, I’m not a Totalitarian……. Christianity helps a lot of People……… Christian… Read more »
Marathon-Youth
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Christ tells 2 of his disciplines to sell their belongings and each buy a sword
One of them replies that each of them has two swords
Christ replies “That will do”

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))) Depeche Europa (((

What Book and Verse was that??

Marathon-Youth
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Luke 22:36

Moishe-the-Beagle
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The church has always accepted the old testament as divinely inspired, placing its proto jews in a privileged position ahead of our own ancestors. This is something that Christian Identity people try to address in their own way, but when you read the OT honestly it is clearly a document of proto judaism. That europeans should have a holy book in common with our greatest enemies, and one that tells their story and not ours, is a problem. Catholics can complain about protestant judaisers, but the rot was there from the beginning. Dante has Virgil in hell and Isaac and… Read more »
R. Casimir
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I believe a WN blogger came up with the term “Semitic Mind Weapon” for Christianity. Good term. HIs blog “MIndweapons in Ragnarok” was proto-AltRight, he got doxxed in 2014 and suspended publication, but the original content is still up.

Игор
Guest

“The church has always accepted the old testament as divinely inspired”- yeah but it’s also abolished by NT, at least that’s a position of Orthodox church.

A hymn to Hermes
Guest

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you are just missing his meaning. If the NT “abolished” the OT then the OT and the general knowledge of ancient Jews shouldn’t be in the Bible or a part of Christian tradition at all.

Игор
Guest

Maybe i’m missing his point, English is my 3rd language, and honestly i suck at it.
And about OT/NT actually you need an OT to get context of NT. Otherwise you would act as an Muslim, for example imams study bible, but it’s highly unadvisable for common Muslim that do it on its own. Which is kind of dishonest.

Marathon-Youth
Guest

Solar Scriptura kind of does away with the old testament

Hildi H
Guest

It’s the same in Lutheranism. Jesus fulfilled the OT, so it’s like old news haha.

Игор
Guest

Well yeah, i don’t really get all Protestant branches, but if i’m not wrong those “Judeo-Christian” put = between OT and NT, which leads to some idiotic loyalty toward Israel, among some Americans. Christians for Israel for example.

MBlanc46
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Many of us simply cannot accept theism or other supernaturalisms. For those who can, fine, but many cannot. If we’re going to unite as a people, it will have to be on some ground than Christian faith.

FatherCharley
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I think the best path forward on the religion question is just to take an organic approach. If nationalism and traditionalism continue to surge in popularity, churches will naturally take more right-wing approaches. This will not be overnight, and churches are not going to go full 1488 anytime soon, but that is fine. The problem with making a explicitly ‘pro-white’ church is that it essentially ruins the religious aspect. Most people who advocate for this don’t even believe in God; it is nothing but a cynical infiltration. A blatantly political church would gain no more followers than the cucked churches… Read more »
harman1
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The church is right wing.It’s traditionalist approach naturally puts everything in order.The pastor at my church is very right wing,no to gay marriage and he makes no apologies for his views.

Clytemnestra
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With all due respect to the pagans, most Europeans, especially Americans of European descent, are Christian in orientation. The reason why Christianity is in such crappy shape is because it was allowed to mutate to Judaeo-Christianity which likes to manifest itself in its most virulent form of Christian Zionism. We need to reform Christianity by appropriating those parts of different sects that would work best for Whites. And I would even recommend incorporating certain pagan practices as long as it uplifts Whites. I was raised Roman Catholic, but I think we need to look at the Christian sect that has… Read more »
Marathon-Youth
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I am Roman Catholic as well. Early years studied in a private Roman Catholic school . Had to learn Latin. did that just up to conjugations. I see in Catholicism the Latin language, Roman laws, Greco Roman Architecture, Christmas tree, yule tide, Christmas carols, Christmas day, So many of the saints and their holidays… come from pagan cultures and faiths. the Vatican’s museums are full of ancient Greek and Roman art and artefacts and Popes commissioned art depicting pagan themes and Gods. That is just the first couple of Chapters of the Catholic church…does not include the Byzantine Empire or… Read more »
Hipster Racist
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I don’t believe the Mormons were very influenced by Jews, instead they were influenced by the Freemasons – Freemasonry in America being very White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. I’m mostly just engaging in the joy of sects here, but Presbyterianism, really any traditional American Protestant strain, can do exactly what the Mormons do. The Klan, after all was also a Mason-like fraternity and Presbyterians are generally allowed to be Freemasons. Our WASP secret societies were once the foundation of White America – it wasn’t until the era of the radio that they began to be demonized by the Jew run mass media… Read more »
Catiline_Conspirator
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“We do not need to engage in Hitler fetishism, bizarre imported political
ideologies like fascism, or even reinvent “paganism” in a hokey way
(our pagan traditions never went away, they are all right there embedded
in the Freemasons and well as Christianity itself.”

Your narrow intellectual isolationism is what got us into this mess to begin with, and it’s continuation is what prevents you from “rebuilding” using the cultural and political strategies which you (wrongly) think will succeed.

Hipster Racist
Guest

I’m not the one who has narrowed my entire world view into a 12 year time span from 75 years ago in a country across the Atlantic that never spoke English and expect to start a serious cultural and political movement by third hand Hollywood style reenactments.

I’ll cheer the Germans if they want to retake their country and honor their past, but they will have to do that.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

Your narrow understanding just got narrower.

MBlanc46
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I suspect that, say, the United Church of Christ is not “ours for the taking”.

Gutenberg
Guest

It’d be the easiest to take, just why would you want to? You can strum guitars and signal SWPL status in ugly buildings without bringing religion into it.

Krafty Wurker
Guest

The UCC is a wealthy rural based White church—that pays for much of the urban leftoid anit-White agenda. The only thing I can figure is that the urban actions of UCC must be kept secret from their rural White farmer membership who pay the bills.

It’s a bizarre situation with the UCC.

Marathon-Youth
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Christianity, Paganism and Judaism are strongly linked as I see it. -Judea was a province of the Roman Empire and Christ was a subject of that Empire (not a citizen). Ultimately he was tried by a Roman. -The Western Roman Empire officially fell on 444 AD. While the Eastern Roman Empirel later fell in the 14th century AD. & Emperor Constantine converts to Christianity. -The Ottomans invaded and destroyed Constantinople, burned the library of Alexandria and ended the Byzantine/Roman Empire. -Greeks & Christians fled Constantinople, taking with them works and copies from the Library of Alexandria to art & philosophy… Read more »
Krafty Wurker
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Before Constantine, Christ was seen as the promised one of God by the Greco-Roman pagans, particularly by the NeoPlatonists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism

Marathon-Youth
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Just learned a bit on Neoplatonism. Thanks Krafty

MylesStandish
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Real Americans are Protestant, so the standard alt-right denunciations of Christianity don’t hold any water for us. Protestantism is originally folkish and nationalistic, especially the one true faith: Presbyterianism. Presbyterianism expresses the inner world and aesthetic of the North Sea peoples -spare, stoic, and confident in the certainty of divine election. Our people conquered the vast oceans, the wilderness of the New World and the legions of bloodthirsty savages who opposed us. Who could now doubt the verity of our Election? Surely our Creator has favored us with handsomeness and bravery as well as keen intellectual and mechanical ability. New… Read more »
Dominique Nuit
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No, we need to recover the concept of Christendom, which was Catholic, with Rome at its center. We need to counter-reform the Catholic Church, turn the clock in the direction of paganism & euro-centrism

Catiline_Conspirator
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You wouldn’t by any chance have a copy of MARCH OF THE TITANS under your pillow, would you?

Johnny Fash
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Walter Oleg
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There should be an evangelical with the Israeli flag.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Игор
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It’s funny photo, but no morality thing actually should apply to Orthodox people, we have ontology, but man made morality is for non-believers.

Krafty Wurker
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I think you are speaking of the whole Protestant nexus that includes many forgotten Protestant Reformers.

Hipster Racist
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Presbyterians represent!

Krafty Wurker
Guest

Back in the late 1700’s the Presbyterians and Methodists split over the doctrine of “once saved always saved”, the Methodists led by John Wesley said that one could lose Salvation by rejecting Christ. The Presbyterians led by George Whitfield disagreed.

MylesStandish
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From our great Presbyterian kinsman, Ezra Pound: The Ballad of the Goodly Fere Ha’ we lost the goodliest fere o’ all For the priests and the gallows tree? Aye lover he was of brawny men, O’ ships and the open sea. When they came wi’ a host to take Our Man His smile was good to see, “First let these go!” quo’ our Goodly Fere, “Or I’ll see ye damned,” says he. Aye he sent us out through the crossed high spears And the scorn of his laugh rang free, “Why took ye not me when I walked about Alone… Read more »
ThomasER916
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TL;DR

You’re an autistic counter-signalling cuck.

Hildi H
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Christianity traditionally supports ethno-nationalism. The modern, secularized, politicized churches like to forget that fact which supported by text in the Bible: Acts 17:26 “From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.” Deuteronomy 32:8 “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.” Not all churches are cucked or POZed either. Fortunately, the church I attend… Read more »
Thomas Jackson
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Modern theologians have not understood that Christ put Truth above love. The Truth will set you free, not love.

Martin
Guest

Interesting. Every culture, every where, at all times, has had some form of religion. The communists utterly failed to delete it. Perhaps a certain percentage of humans simply need it to get through life.

TJ
Guest

Drain the Vatican

Flavius
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In my opinion, relying on Christianity is not a solution. Christianity has a deadly weakness: its core supernatural claims are not believable and without them, Christianity cannot exist in any meaningful, useful way. Because of that, even an explicitly racialist form of Christianity would be dangerous and
counter-productive. Once its supernatural claims are inevitably debunked, they would most likely also compromise
the racial solidarity for which that racialist Christianity provided
support.

Flavius
Guest

As far as I know, churches which promote an allegorical interpretation are declining and they are also on average more liberal.
Besides, I really don’t see how we can have a recognizable form of Christianity without at least some relatively concrete supernatural claims.

Hipster Racist
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It is interesting that the more “liberal” churches tend to be Whiter in practice, if not in theory, than the fundamentalist churches who, while growing, are growing via more non-Whites. It’s the ultra-liberal PCUSA that is at the forefront of the Christian BDS movement, making them an avowed enemy of global Jewry. PCUSA’s ultra-liberalism tends to manifest itself in telescopic charity in far away lands while maintaining a very White congregation at home. Left to their own devices, their “liberalism” tends to mean lesbian ministers and gay marriages and not miscegenation. The Whitest of the White allegorical churches is UU,… Read more »
Martin
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Quite apart from believing / not believing supernatural claims, Christianity is not in any sense a state religion, in the way some are, eg. Islam or Judaism. It is a totally individualistic, personal faith… indeed, that is probably one reason why The West is so individualistic…. in the past Christianity has been twisted into a sort of state religion, but it is a poor fit and requires extensive reworking. Usually what you get is a type of Judaism (Old Testament) applied to a new set of people – which makes sense, because Judaism *is* a national religion.

Hildi H
Guest

Also, the Church is not traditionally individualistic either. Christians refer to themselves as “One Body”, “family in Christ”, etc. In some Church traditions salvation cannot be attained without the Church and being a part of the church community is highly encouraged.

Martin
Guest

I know what you are saying, but it kind of cuts across ethnicities rather than staying within – consider statements like “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – and when I say individual, i mean in the sense of personal choice. I don’t chose to be white, but i do chose to be christian – if ya get me.

Hildi H
Guest

Well, I think you could debate whether you choose to be Christian or whether the Holy Spirit called you, but then we’re going to go way off on a theological tangent. I always thought “one in Christ” was meant to mean spiritually. It’s supported by scripture that God didn’t make us a gender fluid raceless mass.

Martin
Guest

good answer

Clytemnestra
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@Hildi H and Martin: I seriously doubt that the Apostles (who all came from a fiercely ethno-nationalist tribe) ever foresaw the Marxist infiltration into Christianity mutating its doctrine into what is now called Christian Liberation Theology. They assumed that people’s natural racial preservation instincts would kick in before it got that far. I think they envisioned all peoples living in their own separate ethno-states but trading peacefully with other ethno-states, i.e., The Golden Rule Writ Large. No, I don’t think Christianity in and of itself was meant to create a new ethno-national tribe, like the Jews, but I do believe… Read more »
Hildi H
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That’s false. Ethno-nationalism is supported in the Bible in both Testaments. That some churches choose to ignore this is a modern phenomenon.

Hipster Racist
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The first Protestant martyrs in the New World were a colony of Calvinists in South America that were discovered by Catholic forces and made to write out a “statement of faith.” They stuck to their beliefs and explained that they did not believe the Communion host physically transformed into flesh and blood, but was instead a symbolic transformation. For this, they were executed by the Catholics. When Northwest Europeans broke from the Catholics and started reading the Bible for themselves, the first thing they did when they finished reading it (it’s a really long book) was to craft “confessions of… Read more »
Augur Mayson
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Faith is gullibility. Faith is the ability to accept fantastical claims devoid of proof.

Catiline_Conspirator
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Hipster Racist
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The Catholic church teaches that Christians are the “Israel of God.” E. Michael Jones, the Catholic, appears on a TV show called “Israel” – the title referencing the fact that the Christian Church is the “New Israel” not the Zionist entity in Palestine.

Protestants of course also teach that the Christian Church is the “Israel of God” not the Zionist entity. “Christian Zionism” is a rather fringe American thing that was mostly popular in the 1970s and 1980s.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

The Catholic conception is that Christian believers OF ALL NATIONS are the inheritors of Yahweh’s superceded preference for the Habiru.

Anglo-Zionism takes the position that US/GB are the exclusive successors of ancient Israel.

British Israelitism even goes so far as to boast (!) that Anglo-Saxons are descendants of the ancient Habiru.

Hipster Racist
Guest

British Israelitism was a short lived fad from the 19th century based on some comical fantasy history.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest
“The first Protestant martyrs in the New World were a colony of Calvinists in South America that were discovered by Catholic forces and made to write out a “statement of faith.” They stuck to their beliefs and explained that they did not believe the Communion host physically transformed into flesh and blood, but was instead a symbolic transformation. For this, they were executed by the Catholics.” Nice cheap shot. “When Northwest Europeans broke from the Catholics and started reading the Bible for themselves, the first thing they did when they finished reading it (it’s a really long book) was to… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest
You know what? I can’t help you. I don’t take the Bible literally. I’m a Presbyterian not because I did a comparison of the various sects and thought that was the best, I’m a Presbyterian because I was born one – it’s my tribe. But you are a great example of why Christianity can never really unite Whites, and it’s not really an issue of Christians vs. pagans, or the religious vs. the non-religious, or even Protestants vs. Catholics. It’s totalitarians vs. federalists. The Sedevacantists and Nazis are totalitarian LARPers. I don’t really want you to join the Presbyterians. Feel… Read more »
Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

For the record, I’m not a Catholic. Listening to you however, almost makes me want to become one. Almost.

Hipster Racist
Guest

You’re a “former” Catholic that dropped Catholicism for Hitler fetishism, right? You replaced One God, One Pope, One Church for Ein reich, Ein volk, Ein Führer.

The problem is your totalitarianism not the particulars of whichever ideological system you are adopting today.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

You grow more absurd by the day. Draw a line under it mate.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

White people owe no loyalty to any institution that isn’t loyal to them. What has Christianity done for white people lately?

Robert Bruce
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Same thing it has always done, given us salvation. The Church is failing because of the pervasive materialism that has permeated everyday life. This materialism has been introduced because we humans are rather corruptible. Also, the Reds are experts at infiltration. Look at our current Pope. A typical Latina American priest that adopted the outlook of dependency theory during the fascist stage of Latin American politics that coincided with the one in Europe in the 30s and 40s, then again in the 80s. In short, they became SJWs to the peasants that were getting beat down in a myriad of… Read more »
Scott Schroeder
Guest

It’s insane for white people to be loyal to an institution that is doing everything it can to destroy them.

Robert Bruce
Guest
Scott, it is not trying to destroy white people. The Catholic Church is appealing to Latinos more and more since they actually still go to church. Whites are basically apostates anymore. They just go for social reasons, to come off as proper, law abiding citizens, etc. For the affluent it is just a show. And the numbers are declining rapidly due to the total infusion of materialism in the lives of the average white person is astounding. People are rejecting the central tenets of Christianity for good ole sex, drugs, and rock and roll(rap now), and have been for going… Read more »
Scott Schroeder
Guest

What does Christianity do to help white people survive?

Hipster Racist
Guest

The institution isn’t loyal to us because we allowed it to be taken over by people who aren’t loyal to us. At the end of the day, an institution is the people that it is comprised of.

In America, the Church is aging, why not start taking it back? All you have to do is start showing up.

A hymn to Hermes
Guest
I don’t think it is as simple as that. I come from a background tied into Protestant Church administration and the kinds of people who occupy these religious institutions are not primarily political infiltrators. They are people serious about their religion who are only as concerned about politics about as much as the average person. Their political beliefs extend from the religion and not vice versa. I’m sure megachurchs and televangelists are propped up by Jews cherry picking out the worst doofuses for artificial popularity but that’s not the mainstay of Christianity in America, which is run by actual gentiles… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest
“We would be the political infiltrators cynically co-opting a religion for the benefits of our secular agenda.” Well, yeah, that’s the idea. I was raised in the Protestant tradition and I’d say that at least half of the congregation tended to fit that description. It tended to be something that the wives like to do for social reasons, and was seen as good for children, and the men talked about football afterward. All very WASP. “Their political beliefs extend from the religion and not vice versa.” In my experience that is only true for the left end of the bell… Read more »
Krafty Wurker
Guest

I think the problem is that we abandoned the Protestant churches, because we didn’t want to get involved in church politics—which would mean making a lot of silly people cry.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

OK, fine. What I object to is people who say if we just go back to the church everything will fix itself or that the problems we have are the result of a lack of faith in Christianity. The problems we have are overwhelmingly the result of white traitors betraying their own kind.

Hipster Racist
Guest

I share your objection to annoying Xian LARPers and I tend to ignore them. I’m less interested in which mythologies you pretend to believe and more interested in the Church as a civic institution. Even though I was raised Presbyterian, I think that’s a rather Catholic view, the Church as institution.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

My MAIN point stands: Whites owe no loyalty to any institution or politician or anything that isn’t loyal to them as white people.

Robert Bruce
Guest

No institution is loyal to white people if said people abandon that institution, especially if that transcendent institution is universalist in nature.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

The church became anti-white. Of course white people are going to leave.

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Robert Bruce
Guest
White people left the church there Scott. WASP churches are dying. I am Lutheran and was very much involved s a youth in my old church and it no longer exists as the numbers tanked after the old pastor retired. My family went to a new church, that was all white like the previous one and now that one is dwindling. Young people do not go to church anymore and it doesn’t have anything to do with the clergy becoming anti white all of a sudden. The church is dead because middle and upper class white kids are wrapped up… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest

My main point stands: institutions are loyal to the people that control them. Either we control the Church or someone else does.

Max Triggers
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I’ve always enjoyed your commentary Hipster, starting way back at Mind Weapons. I have to imagine what a small group of hard, fighting, Christian warriors could accomplish with regular attendance at a Church that was foundering… it could be a staggering turnaround. My Father had a Priest that was a former pro boxer who had killed a man in the ring before turning his life over to God. Now that’s a far cry from the faggotry that is the Church today. Unfortunately, the boomer generation was lost in abundance and the worship of Mammon, and abandoned Christ for shekels. I… Read more »
R. Casimir
Guest
The Catholic Church has a hierarchy that is difficult or impossible to infiltrate. (Unless you are willing to dedicate your life to it). Because lay people have very little say in how the Church is run. (This was a key innovation that helped the church survive over 1000 years in the West, so while we all like to belittle celibate / homo priesthood it has had an undeniable utility up till now) Thus, there is very little that AltRight Catholics can do to change the direction of the Church, which is almost completely anti-White in the USA (that is it’s… Read more »
Scott Schroeder
Guest

I keep asking Christians to point out something in their operator’s manual that justifies the long term existence of white people. Since there isn’t, that makes Christianity problematic and forever subject to subversion.

Robert Bruce
Guest
Christianity is a universal religion. He came for all people. If he followed your notion of race, he would have only come down to save the Jews, but he came down to save everyone, no matter what race the person was. He saved Jew and Greek alike. If you want to know who is exterminating white people, all you have to do is look in the mirror most likely. Have you procreated yet? It is funny how Ann Coulter wrote about immigration and how the white race is dwindling, but she is a 53 year old childless woman. It is… Read more »
Scott Schroeder
Guest

You can be a universal particularist. You can say all races have rights to homelands, self-determination and existence.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Still waiting.

Robert Bruce
Guest

Waiting on what?

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Some justification in your operator’s manual for the long-term existence of white people.

Robert Bruce
Guest

People are people. Jesus loves everyone, including white people. He was more worried about your soul, the transcendent part of your being, not your color or race. He loved people of all races. As for mating, he left that up to you. Now get out there and get a white girl and knock her up!!!!!!!!

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Whites are never going to win a breeding contest with non-whites.

Robert Bruce
Guest

No, but we never were anything more than 13% of the worlds population at our zenith anyway. But if you are so concerned about our extinction, do your part and procreate. If you don’t do your part, you have NO reason to bitch.

Ike35
Guest

100 years ago we were 30%.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Pro-whites need to win the propaganda war and take power. If pro-whites are not in power, for every extra white kid you have the people in power will dump ten Somalis in your lap and tell you to feed them.

Robert Bruce
Guest
Can’t take power in a democracy there jack, where your numbers are going down. Propaganda war means nothing in terms of voting, with you only a plurality and your race is split. Do you expect to keep power once you take it if you and your millennial friends don’t propagate the race? Replacement is 2.1 kids per couple, but to maintain a majority it is at least 3 to 1 and even maybe 4 to 1. So again Mr. Schroeder when are you going to get cracking? With more and more white males going MGTOW you aren’t going to get… Read more »
Scott Schroeder
Guest

Power goes to whoever controls public opinion. Borders can change.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

So there is none?

Robert Bruce
Guest

We are not the chosen race Scott, neither are the Jews or anyone else for that matter. Christianity is a universalist religion that plays no favorites. The Bible does talk about staying true to ones race, but the religion itself is for anybody that comes to it.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

You’re saying Christianity is completely indifferent to whether a single white person exists 100 years from now. Why should white people support such an institution?

Robert Bruce
Guest

There are several verses in both Old and New Testaments that support ethnic homogeneity, but Christianity supports all races.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Citations, please.

Hildi H
Guest

A good article that goes into great detail about “A Biblical Defense of Ethno-Nationalism”:
http://faithandheritage.com/2011/01/a-biblical-defense-of-ethno-nationalism/

ThomasER916
Guest

Yet it says nothing about White people explicitly.

Show us where
Christianity is pro-White. I want to read the most explicit argument.
Where are Whites “God’s Chosen people”? Where is that written? Show me.

Hildi H
Guest

Because the Jews didn’t accept Jesus as the Messiah they broke their covenant with God (which partially made them God’s chosen people). Jesus called the Jews who didn’t accept him as Messiah the children of Satan. Jews today aren’t the Chosen Ones any longer. That’s my interpretation anyway.

As for pro-White, I’d say it’s implicit. The Bible is openly pro ethno-nationalism and anti-globalism which is implicitly pro-White. God says he created the different nations and gave them each their own homelands to self-govern. Seems pro-White enough to me.

Hildi H
Guest

I tried replying to you earlier but my comment seems to have been removed. The Bible does advocate for Whites existence, for all people’s ethnic separation and existence actually. Acts 17:26 and Deuteronomy 32:8, and other passages as well, say pretty much that God created the nations and purposefully divided men and gave them their own lands and languages. So, God purposefully created White people and their homelands therefore destroying that is against Gods will.

Krafty Wurker
Guest

Very true. Thanks for reminding me of Acts 17:26.

Hildi H
Guest

Acts 17:26
“From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.”
Deuteronomy 32:8
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.”
The Bible actually supports ethno-nationalism and anti-semitism.

http://faithandheritage.com/2011/01/a-biblical-defense-of-ethno-nationalism/

Yehudah Finkelstein
Guest

Christianity is dying in the West and European cathedrals will soon essentially be museums.

Robert Bruce
Guest

I did a study abroad in Poland and Russia in the spring of 1997. Almost all of the great Cathedrals we visited in Poland were pretty much museums like you said. Only the one in the Jasny Gora fortress seemed to actually have services going on in it.

Julius Caesar
Guest

Thanks to the judaic multitude of subversions.

Halford Mackinder
Guest

“Christianity [sic] has gradually feminised our men into pathological altruism”

Its so sad that so many in the Alt Right repeat this transparent falsehood so brainlessly. The only way this narrative is works is by pretending 1900 years of Western History don’t exist. How can any honest person take these people seriously?

Charles The Hammer
Guest

Lets not pretend that the Catholic Church was some kind of virtuous institution during the life of Martin Luther. In his time it was rotten to the core. Many rightly saw it as a racket. Luther was disgusted with how the church would take money from peasants who were told that their loved ones would be guaranteed passage to Heaven.

sane whiteguy
Guest

Yeah, but then Luther decided the solution was take all of Europe back to the Jewish Old Testament Bible – we’re stuck with Jehovah – the tribal God of the Jews that brings down plagues on Gentiles like the Egyptians.

We’re Gentiles.

Jehovah and his tribe are still bringing terrible plagues down on us – S*#&@ like Marxism, feminism, open borders immigration, Neo Conservatism etc.

Aurelius
Guest

Well, women getting involved in the church kinda did it too.

Women getting involved in everything kinda fucks everything.

MylesStandish
Guest

But somehow the women knew that Drumpf was a conman, while the “based patriarchal sh*tlords” were played for fools.

Johnny Fash
Guest

51% of white women voted for Trump too. He was still the best available option, just not the Kalki we were hoping for.

ThomasER916
Guest

You’re always an autistic, counter-signalling cuck.

Robert Bruce
Guest

And he always is right thus far from what I have seen. Also, the term “cuck” has been way overused by you folks. I think it is time to put it to bed. All it is is a smear for someone that doesn’t agree with you, even on smaller points. It just is a dumb term to use in general.

Hipster Racist
Guest

Every time you use the term “cuck” as a generic insult, you weaken its utility. The Alt Right was cucked by Trump, and Trump himself is a literal, biological cuck, with three Israeli grandchildren.

Also the entire Alt Right is built on counter-signaling, what you are complaining about is counter-counter signaling which, to be frank, is sorely needed right about now. Don’t worry, Trump is already the President so no one can “ruin” it for you by not worshipping the Mighty God Emperor Trump.

Third, you are misusing the term “autistic.”

ThomasER916
Guest

you’re sperging

Hipster Racist
Guest

FALSE.

Evola-Chan
Guest

Well I guess I’d better invest in a harness in case the Earth flips upside-down

TJ
Guest

Women Create Dingbat Planet

Rik Storey
Guest

Absolutely agree. If I could have gone into more depth, I would. Thanks very much for the comment.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Whites need an unambiguously pro-white religion.

vintologi
Guest

I have been developing mine for a while now http://vintologi.clanz.co/topic1.html

Melinda Ross
Guest

That would be Fundamentalism.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

If that were true, they got one thing right.

Melinda Ross
Guest

A couple of years ago, I went to the Fundamentalist Church down my street and attended a few services. I don’t like them, for the most part. They have sticks up their butts like most Christians. But the thing I did like was that they were all white. It was like being in God’s country again.

sane whiteguy
Guest

Just compliment the good things they do – have beautiful, large families. Finesse the racial issue, don’t get in to arguments about marriage, politics.

4DPOETRY
Guest

Something that breeds religious fanaticism, where you can have four wives and eight kids, and anyone not in your religion is your sworn enemy, that kind of religion.

Melinda Ross
Guest

The FLDS believe in polygamy. It is an offshoot that started when the mainstream church opted out.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Just pro-white.

4DPOETRY
Guest

I got your original point, was thinking same thing yesterday, was looking at Orthodox Christianity, but their presence is so weak (UK), we need something where we can get everyone on board.

Scott Schroeder
Guest

Once whites have their own homelands and we end the anti-white propaganda that makes white people hate themselves, white birth rates will be just fine. Whites don’t breed well in captivity.

4DPOETRY
Guest

Just finished The Greatest Story Never Told and two thirds of the way through New World Order, Communism Through The Backdoor, bloody depressing stuff, even when you know the truth it feels everything is stacked against us. If Germany could not even succeed in defeating the Jew/Communist alliance, what chance does anyone else have, unless there is a massive worldwide awakening and institutions are all cleansed of commies and socialists which is highly unlikely, they are everywhere at this point.

Melinda Ross
Guest

I just sent emails to Homeland Security saying the same thing. Why is Trump helping dairy farmers when California is falling?

JMB
Guest

Lol STOP! I am currently watching a little everyday. Lol don’t spoil it!

Rik Storey
Guest

And the Church is the best place to start. Also, Mormonism was designed to be just that originally. It was only a lack of folks like yourself which changed it.

Evolver1
Guest

Right. Unfortunately, the Salt Lake City Mormon Church has become just another church of what’s happening now.

That disgusting cuck Mitt Romney said he pulled his car over to the curb because he was crying tears of joy when he heard on the radio that his Mormon church had a new revelation that Blacks could now be priests in the Mormon Church. And, since then, the Mormons have been building their temples in Africa and other non-White areas of the world.

Joseph Smith must be turning over in his grave.

Melinda Ross
Guest

They are globalists, hell-bent on world domination.

sane whiteguy
Guest

We have written extensively about the LDS Mormon church at Occidental Dissent – they still have lots of good practices, but the top political leaders like Orin Hatch, Mitt Romney are cucks.

It’s turning in to a club of nice White people and those that want to be in, around nice White people. This clean, well groomed nice White people will tend to agree with whomever is in the room with them at the time:

Undocumented
Muslims
Liberals
Marxist Jews
Neo Conservatives

And LDS Mormons always, always bow down to anything in a military uniform. LDS Mormons are the ones that keep re-electing John McCain.

Melinda Ross
Guest

I was a Mormon for twenty years. I left because my daughter (pictured left) and I were horribly abused. In addition, they now support amnesty and are filling their churches with Mexicans, including illegals, and encouraging young women to “help the refugees.” Young, beautiful fair girls should not be around people who embrace a rape culture. I wouldn’t be caught dead there now, for these reasons. I do not want to spend my time with any more nonwhites and I do not support them.

4DPOETRY
Guest
They want more followers and more cash, like politicians looking for more voters, problem with organised religion is it is corrupted by power. That is what always put me off it, my wife is catholic, went with her to church a couple of times and was so angry I wanted to get up and knock the priest out, the shi-t that came out of his mouth. Basically they want to take credit for all the good you do, and shame you for your mistakes, any con artist can pull that trick. Religion is a personal thing, but how else are… Read more »
sane whiteguy
Guest
Kind of my experience – without any abuse. Seems like mostly a club of nice White people who try to be liberals and put the word out that they’re not racist anymore and want to help all Mexicans, Central American Muslims etc – I hate these kind of people If you have some free time, go on BeliefNet and go to the LDS section and explain why you left, finesse the racial, mexican thing a bit – instead focus on Islamic terrorists. Why do LDS Mormons have to be so pathetic and bend over backwards never to offend Islamic extremists… Read more »
Evolver1
Guest

She shouldn’t finesse the racial/Mexican thing at all. That is what is now happening in the Mormon church. They are aggressively trying to become a less White church by building temples in non-White lands and converting more non-Whites than Whites.

And, if you watch their Annual conferences on TV, you’ll see them pandering from the highest levels to non-Whites. Disgusting.

Clytemnestra
Guest

Exactly, if we could incorporate the Pro-White aspects of Mormonism into Eastern Orthodox Catholicism (which seems to be the most resistant to Zionism), we could have a Christianity that benefits rather than harms our people.

harman1
Guest

This is partly true,the Jesuits are firmly ensconced in the Vatican.

Robert Bruce
Guest

Eastern Orthodox Churches already are very nationalistic.

Slidell
Guest
Whatever its utility as a tool or social mechanism, a religion simply can’t be whistled up. A made-up religion like Mormonism or Scientology is an obvious fail, but Christianity’s main trouble is that few people believe it, I suspect because its origin stories fail the smell test. As a Germano-Celt, I respond to the idea of the old Northern relgion, and much prefer its stories and myths to those of Christianity. However, do I think there was an entity named Odin who rode an eight legged horse and has a spear which, when thrown, returned to his hand? No. Do… Read more »
harman1
Guest

I disagree.One cannot disavow the existence of God,the crucifixion is mentioned in numerous historical documents in different languages.You would never doubt the existence of Abraham Lincoln,Stalin etc It is the very plan to mock and make light of Christianity that draws me to it.Why have the Jews for so long hated the Gentile?There is power in Christianity and it cannot be destroyed.

Charles The Hammer
Guest

I think most of the pagan gods were probably real people who achieved greatness in life and overtime mythology was built up around their lives. Geneticists say that half of European men descended from one Bronze Age king. Perhaps that kings name was Odin. I’m really more of Deist or Panentheist myself, but there is a lot to Paganism that appeals to me. I like the idea of honoring ancestors and asking for their help in this world. Pagans also seem to be much closer to nature than followers of most other religions.

Clytemnestra
Guest

That Bronze Age King was probably Japheth, son of Noah. The Bible seems to lose all interest in him or his descendants pretty early in Genesis, but his line greatly expanded from Europe to India and he was worshipped as a god by his descendants.

R. Casimir
Guest

How is Mormonism an obvious fail? They claim 16 million members world-wide. They act as a fertility cult for their members, guaranteeing continuing demographic growth while other groups shrink around them. They have outsized political influence, including but not limited to Utah, they got one of their top guys nominated for POTUS by a major party …

It would be awesome of the AltRight could “fail” this badly!

Evolver1
Guest

Their fail is a new thing for the Mormons and it started when they became just another church of what’s happening now when they had a convenient new revelation that Blacks were okay. Now, much of the grown in membership is in non-White lands.

Slidell
Guest

Let me ask you this: do you believe that an angel revealed to Joseph Smith the location of golden plates buried in a hillside in Elmyra, New York? Do you believe that the angel also gave Joseph Smith a key to translate those plates, upon which were inscribed the Book of Mormon? Conveniently, after Smith transcribed the plates, the angel retrieved them, but we do have the Book of Mormon, written in Smith’s own hand! Supposedly the original, hand-written version is still owned by Smith’s descendants. Wow, so much for the New Testament!

R. Casimir
Guest

No, of course not. I’m not a Mormon. I think Smith was a freaking weirdo, he made up strange cultic rules to get more pussy and money from his followers.

Still I can’t say the cult he formed is a failure, just based on the utilitarian view that many people take it seriously, it’s still growing, adherents seem to be highly productive and happy (from what I see from outside), etc.

Slidell
Guest

My point is that it that replacing one form of fantasy thinking with another is simply building a foundation on sand.

sane whiteguy
Guest

It’s just religious myth.

Do you believe Jehovah – the tribal God of the Jews parted the Red Sea so the Jews – God’s Chosen People escaped across the floor of the Red Sea and the Evil Egyptians (not God’s Chosen people) were all drowned?

I got news for you.

We’re like the Egyptians, not Jehovah’s Chosen People.

We don’t own a movie studio or a major television news network.

The (J tribe) Chosen children of Rupert Murdoch are now purging anyone at Fox who is even remotely opposed to the Neo Conservative, Zionist, Lib party line.

Scott Schroeder
Guest
There’s some validity to that, but the betrayal of white people by those who should have been their leaders goes back over a century and encompasses every civic institution. I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that one single church could have held up against the across the board anti-white onslaught we’ve been subjected to for decades. If our leaders had done their jobs, we would still have pro-white institutions including Mormonism. However, I still ask: is there anything in the Christian operator’s manual that justifies the long-term existence of white people? If not, maybe it’s not the best vehicle… Read more »
Right to Reason
Guest
There is. The word Adam means ‘being able to show blood in the face’. In Genesis where it says that eve is the mother of all the living it can also be translated as mother of her race. In the book of Henoch (quoted frequently in Scripture) it says that Noah was white with blue eyes. Thus Adamite=white=Aryan. Fornication refers to race mixing (read how this word is used in the Old testemant). Jesus Christ is referred as the second Adam. In this interpretation the nations are the Adamic nations as opposed to the others. Download the e sword app… Read more »
JMB
Guest

God the Father is described more than once as a man with white hair & eyes like flames. The hottest part of a flame is blue.

Right to Reason
Guest

I have never thought about it that way!

sane whiteguy
Guest
Also St. Paul – the former Jewish Pharisee Saul of Tarsus is a complete BSer – preaching a John Lenon “Imagine” style universalist world where are Jews and Greeks, male and female, slaves and free will come together and become one with Jesus Christ. St. Paul/Pharisee Saul was preaching this nonsense to communities of Jews and Greek Hellens on The Road to Damascus Syria and Palmyra Syria. How are those beautiful classic White Greek Hellens doing now in these places with nastiest untermenschen from British and European prisons returning to Syria to Join ISIS and kill or enslave anything White… Read more »
Clytemnestra
Guest
I always thought Saul of Tarsus’ conversion to Christianity was a fraud. I think that Peter was the apostle that the Lord had originally chosen to take His message to the Gentiles. You saw that early in the Book of Acts where Peter dreams of the Lord showing him “unclean” animals and telling him to “kill and eat,” and when Peter protests, the Lord says something to the effect of “what God hath cleansed can’t be unclean.” Then Peter is called to a Gentile and his family where he preaches to them, they convert and speak in tongues. (If I… Read more »
Aurelius
Guest

Yes, Christian Identity does.

Pierre-François Lacenaire
Guest
Pierre-François Lacenaire

Christian Identity ≠ Christianity
just a “muh cathedrals” stance, then. not a religion

Aurelius
Guest

Jesus becomes a vengance God in other cultures. Something used to smite earthly enemies.

harman1
Guest

Jesus called out our enemies,he named the Synagogue of Satan,he was the first.What a pity he wasn’t listened to.

Aurelius
Guest

I agree.

However, other races tend to turn Jesus into one of the demo-gods and ask him to smite their petty enemies.

harman1
Guest

It doesn’t matter what other races do,we are here,we know the enemy and I believe that Jesus has called for us.Look at all the wonderful history that we have shared only to be defiled by the primitive.Time to turn to God,a Christian God.All good flows from him.

Aurelius
Guest

Christianity only lives in White people.

You know what happens to churches in africa when whites leave?

They turn to voodoo.

Aurelius
Guest

CI asks who the real lost sheep are.

Moishe-the-Beagle
Guest

According to my understanding (imperfect admittedly) it does so by tendentious mistranslations of verses from the pentateuch, coupled with equally tendentious anthropological speculations. Abraham, isacc, jacob, joseph et al were not aryan. They were cowardly lying sycophants who grew rich by acting much like todays jews.

Aurelius
Guest

GReat analysis, btw, maga lmao

Moishe-the-Beagle
Guest

Thank you. Wtf you on about?

Aurelius
Guest

Tha fuq you on about m8

Clytemnestra
Guest
CI makes the mistake of assuming that Whites are the real Jews and the people calling themselves Jews are not. (Some actually are, most are Khazars). But I believe they are in error when they say that Whites are the real Semites, long lost Israelites. Going by the decimation of Troy and other city-states routinely sacked and destroyed all over hell’s half acre throughout human history, I have no reason to believe that many Israelites survived God’s purging from the land. There may be some out there, but they are miniscule. I honestly believe Whites are not Semites but Japhethites.… Read more »
Aurelius
Guest
“CI makes the mistake of assuming that Whites are the real Jews and the people calling themselves Jews are not. (Some actually are, most are Khazars). But I believe they are in error when they say that Whites are the real Semites, long lost Israelites.” False, very faulty premise. Firstly, the word “Jew” never appears in the bible. Jew is a word that arose a few hundred years after the events in the NT. CI does not argue that white people are the true Semites. CI argues that the indo-europeans are the chosen people of the Christian God and that… Read more »
Clytemnestra
Guest
If one goes with your pure-blooded racial theme of a Judahite, no. But you forget l that John Hyrcaneus annexed Edom and forced them to convert and then his son, Aristobulus did the same with Galilee. The tribe has had its fits and started with proselytizing and getting converts for various reasons. This happened as recently in Kazaria. When I was in my twenties, the Jewish elite noticed all their young people marrying out and there was a big push to get their spouses to convert (that was in the late seventies). You also forget that the tribe has always,… Read more »
harman1
Guest

The Bible does mention Jew,or Rabbi.

A hymn to Hermes
Guest
You’d need to find examples of Hebrew script which predates at least the Babylonian captivity to really make this claim, which to my knowledge doesn’t exist. Regardless Hebrew isn’t a PIE language, it’s Afro-Asiatic. Paleo-Hebrew’s alphabet wasn’t invented by the Jews at all for that matter. Paleo-Hebrew’s alphabet is Phoenician, who were a people that traveled all over the world (so who knows, maybe they taught it to some PIE speaking peoples as well). It’s also the basis of the Greek alphabet because they taught literacy to the Greeks after the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization. So basically you are… Read more »
Aurelius
Guest

Yes, it is.

Triptolemus
Guest
Context denial and straw man argument: “To begin, I’m just going to dismiss all contradictory arguments made by Pagans, such as that Christianity was both really mean in taking power over Europe but is also too pacifist to defend Europe; or that Christianity is an effeminate slave ethic, for there’s nothing more masculine than taking care of your people and treating them like family. These arguments are not intellectually consistent.” Christianity *was* “really mean”–for instance, in his crusade against the pagan Baltic kingdoms, Charlemagne adopted the method of conversion “by the sword” that had been used by Muslims in Spain.… Read more »
Julius Caesar
Guest
“…Our origin lies with Homer, not Christ. Please read Dominique Venner for more on this point….” I am Macedonian. Homer was of Antic Macedonian origin. ( not “greek, hellenic”, as the hellens inhabited Achaia) I grew up reading the “Odysea” and the “Ilyada”. Still there are some things that surpass Homer and his values; I know much better than everyone what you mean when you say our origin lies with Homer. But Homer doesn’t teach us everything. Christ does. And there is the difference. The Christianity did not feminize the men – take for instance the Orthodox Russian men; or… Read more »
Triptolemus
Guest
I did not claim that Homer teaches us everything, but neither does Christ. And I did not claim that Christianity feminized men. I think your examples of European virtue are good ones, but those virtues predate Christianity. I posted my original comment because I don’t think it was necessary for the author to misrepresent pagans in order to make his point. If alt-right writers are going to ridicule pagans, they should expect some push-back as there are many European polytheists in our movement. That said, if you feel called to go to Church, by all means do so. I do… Read more »
Julius Caesar
Guest

” However, European civilization ≠ Christianity. ”
Christianity is indivisible of the European Civilisation. As the European Civilisation is indivisible of the Christianity.
Remove the Christianity, it will rest to us the Stonehenge, the Runic alphabeth….
the spiritual emptiness…. Except, maybe, the Eternal beauty of the Antic Roman Civilisation..especially the one from Pompei, which will not be enough to “feed” our souls and to propulse our minds to seek for solutions for our survival .
Feret gens Alba.
Julius

craicher
Guest

Are the Iliad and Odessy religions?

A hymn to Hermes
Guest
They were a part of a religious tradition. “Myth” actual means sacred truth. My biggest problem with Christianity from a historical perspective is that it totally lacks a European myth. It essentially sanctifies the Jews through the Old Testament just by preserving their mythology and never creating a set of myths of Christian peoples including Europeans. The works of Homer were part of an Old Testament for Hellenes, but it was actually about Hellenes and not some other group of people and Homeric works as well as the extant plays written centuries later on mythological foundations juxtapose the contemporary with… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest
Christianity appeared under Vespasian and Titus, who were engaged in what became 300 years of war between Romans and Jews. Vespasian and Titus recruited turncoat Jews, like Josephus, who declared the Flavians emperors avatars of the Hebrew god and his son. Vespasian and Titus were declared the fulfillment of Hebrew prophesy, and they destroyed the Jewish temple, thus ushering in the age of Christ. Vespasian and Titus I believe took Jewesses as wives and concubines and combined the Hebrew mythology with the Roman religion, and a few hundred years later another Flavian, Constantine, declared Christianity the official state religion. I… Read more »
Clytemnestra
Guest
@Hipster Racist: I always think of Christianity as a religion with a Roman father and a Jewess mother. In a certain sense you’re right. The Romans officially believed that their emperors were gods in human flesh. Once they died, they ascended to Mount Olympus to be with the other gods. The word for it is apotheosis. However, when their emperors got on their nerves too much, the Romans would dispatch them to Olympus with all prejudice. At the same time, each Roman family, while worshipping the Grego-Roman pantheon, also had their own household family gods. All in all, approximately, forty… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest
Cly, and for even more fun, if you want to see a modern parallel of this process, you only have to go to Pennsylvania and read the story of Fethullah Gulen. In the early years of the Iraq war, the USA was trying to figure out a way to pacify all those crazy Muslims. This was actually proposed in the Wall Street Journal: use Gulen to be a new Islamic leader to promote a Western-friendly form of Islam. Gulen was to be used in the same way as Josephus and Philo were used by the Roman Flavians. Take Islam and… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest
Cly: Julius Caesar was the first deified Emperor. Much of Catholicism is essentially the cult of Divine Caesar; Christ=Caesar. When the Flavian dynasty took over, they had to deal with the Jews – they merged the cult of Divine Caesar with the Hebrew mythologies – thus, Vespasian became God the Father, Titus because his Divine Son, and later his other son Domitian became the Awful Spirit, the third personage in the Holy Trinity. It was these three Emperors, the Flavians, that merged the Roman religion with the Hebrew mythologies. As part of their conquest, they had Jews like Josephus and… Read more »
Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

Double your dose.

Hipster Racist
Guest

You’re upset again. I can understand.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest
“Vespasian and Titus I believe took Jewesses as wives and concubines and combined the Hebrew mythology with the Roman religion, and a few hundred years later another Flavian, Constantine, declared Christianity the official state religion.” Your history is a little off there, champ. “I always think of Christianity as a religion with a Roman father and a Jewess mother.” You need to quit thinking and take up another hobby. How about polo? “When the Protestants discovered the Bible, especially the Old Testament, they adopted the Israelite myths as their own, but that really only lasted for a few hundred years… Read more »
Hipster Racist
Guest

You’re triggered. It’s ok.

Catiline_Conspirator
Guest

If I’m triggered what are you?

Hipster Racist
Guest

I was just trying to explain the historical reason why the Roman religion merged with Hebrew mythology, and you mistook that as something to do with “Protestantism.” Of course, no Protestants teach what I just said. It actually comes from the higher critics of Germany in the 19th century, but of course anyone who ever bothered to read Josephus, or Suetonius for that matter, would know.

Krafty Wurker
Guest

Actually, the Protestant Reformers translated the Old Testament as an after thought.

craicher
Guest

Aren’t most saints Europeans? When I go into old churches in Europe all I see is scenes of Aryans all over the place. No muddy joos to be had.

practicallyperfect
Guest

Then what would you replace it with? How would you satisfy that need for transcendence that, in my humble opinion, is part the unique European soul’s drive towards the heroic, to excel and innovate?

Triptolemus
Guest
Who said European polytheism is not transcendent? Who said that Christianity necessarily is? Who says that transcendence is the same in all cases? Was atheistic futurism any less transcendent than Catholic monarchism? My point is that this need for transcendence will find an outlet in every time, one way or another. To me, it is a question of authenticity. Nothing changes the fact that Christianity is an alien, Eastern religion, in spite of its adaptations to preexisting European religious formulas. Moreover, we must start from where our people stand with religion, today, not well-wish about restoring Christendom to its former… Read more »
Vincent Law
Guest

No one is going to pray to a tree.

alkaloid_content
Guest

No one suggested praying to a tree.

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