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The New Shock And Awe Doctrine

The news about the MOAB bomb being dropped in Afghanistan has shocked and stunned analysts. Does it mean that Trump is bending to the Neo-Cohen agenda? Or is it Trump delivering on his campaign promise to “bomb the shit out of ISIS?”

Honestly, it’s actually just a very routine maneuver, a standard playbook move that is entirely consistent with US tactics since the end of WWII.

All this talk of chemical weapons and super bombs has everyone’s hair standing on its end. But the United States has a long history of using “shock and awe” tactics to overwhelm and deliver fear to their enemies. We can start at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where the United States rolled out their new toy to show off to the rest of the world and force Japan to surrender. In Vietnam, where Agent Orange was used to whittle swathes of jungle away and poison the Vietcong.  And we saw the same tactics during the Gulf and Iraq War. In Fallujah in particular, the United States “shock and awe” doctrine resulted in many bunker buster bombs, and shells armed with depleted uranium used in urban environments.

Harvard University has a pretty damning report on the use of DU weaponry in Iraq:

Depleted Uranium (DU) weaponry has been used against Iraq for the first time in the history of recent wars. The magnitude of the complications and damage related to the use of such radioactive and toxic weapons on the environment and the human population mostly results from the intended concealment, denial and misleading information released by the Pentagon about the quantities, characteristics and the area’s in Iraq, in which these weapons have been used.

The consequences were pretty horrendous at least that is what Democracy Now! has reported based on an interview with a local Al Jazeera reporter:

Noting the birth defects in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, Jamail says: ‘They’re extremely hard to bear witness to. But it’s something that we all need to pay attention to … What this has generated is, from 2004 up to this day, we are seeing a rate of congenital malformations in the city of Fallujah that has surpassed even that in the wake of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that nuclear bombs were dropped on at the end of World War II.

And US soldiers serving in the Gulf and Iraq Wars suffered from exposure to the fallout as well. Speaking of which, why all the concern over chemical weapons by the same military power that uses DU ordinance? Is chemical death really that much work than radiation poisoning? I suppose that’s up to the (((lawyers))) to decide.

So as far as controversial weapons go, MOAB is not that far out there in terms of what has been used. It is just a really big bomb that was used in a relatively remote place, not lobbed at the center of a city for the maximization of civilian casualties like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or for that matter, DU ordinance in Fallujah.

But while the Liberal media chews over the news and waits for the order on whether to condemn or commend, not everyone has been so patient. Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan’s former president, condemned the attack.

“This is not the war on terror but the inhuman and most brutal misuse of our country as testing ground for new and dangerous weapons,” Mr. Karzai wrote on Twitter. “It is upon us, Afghans, to stop the USA.” Looks like the falling out between the closest of friends, America and Afghanistan is all but complete…

Every time the United States wants to make a power play on the international stage, it falls back on the same old “shock and awe” tactics. Why the analysts are so surprised by the unveiling of yet another toy with a ridiculous Strangelove-ian acronym is beyond me. Perhaps they, like us on the Alt-Right really thought that things would change under a Trump administration. Nope, it turns out that the Shock and Awe doctrine is with us to stay.

 

 

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Smash Islamophobia
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The Harvard study has some pretty convincing numbers, but the Democracy Now! statement “What this has generated is, from 2004 up to this day, we are seeing a rate of congenital malformations in the city of Fallujah that has surpassed even that in the wake of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that nuclear bombs were dropped on at the end of World War II” is nearly worthless. Two different populations. Arab/ North African populations have a much higher baseline rate of congenital malformations due to higher rates of consanguineous marriage. The comparisons over time found in the Harvard… Read more »
ThomasER916
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All of this is bullshit anyway. We should be dropping bombs on Mexico.

Cassandra2
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Maybe DT’s getting impotent. Taliban are in Afghanistan, ISIS (our creation) are in the ME. Guess just change the names and locales and no one will notice.

Smash Islamophobia
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I don’t think it’s an error. Current propaganda seems to mention the Taliban (and al Qaeda) very rarely. Not a hot marketing term at the moment.

ISIS is the currently fashionable Emmanuel Goldstein. You’ve got to change the names from time to time, otherwise people might get bored, or they might notice that our designated bogeyman of the moment, and our proxy armies, seem to be very similar groups of internationally-recruited Salafist mercenaries.

Cassandra2
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But this is my whole damn point. Any thinking idiot (of which there are none) knows ISIS was created as a Mideast Caliphate. Taliban is Afghanistan. So, we all so dumb to them they can pull this shit w/o our comment? Jesus!

Smash Islamophobia
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” So, we all so dumb to them they can pull this shit w/o our comment? Jesus!”

Look at the officially-promoted Syria narrative. We’re intervening in a civil war to fight against both sides. We’re backing “moderate” al Qaeda, but no one will notice, because they go by a different name now. Assad is much worse than the “moderate” “rebels,” but where are all of the internally-displaced people? In government-controlled areas, or rebel-controlled? Etc. In short, yes.

Cassandra2
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Assad has a right to defend his democratically elected gov, same as we would from anarchists. We and our allies created ISIS and Al Qaeda. There are no “moderate” rebels (makes it sound so sweet and proper then). Check Syrian girl on this and Tulsi Gabbard. The “moderates” did the ’13 gassing as they did this one. The West has long sought control over Syria, as it had Iraq.

Rhino 🦏🥛🐸
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What’s it mean?

It means that some day we will be on the opposite end of this scenario and we will deserve it.

Alex Harris
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Here is an excellent sermon by Pastor Steven Anderson on the “Military Industrial Complex”. Almost all of it should ring true to people on the Alt Right. I disagree with this Pastor’s stance on race, but he seems to be spot-on with everything else.

craicher
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Religious leaders should not speak on profane topics even if what he says is correct or liked. In fact they should have their tax exempt status pulled when they do.

Alex Harris
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Not sure I agree with you there. That would also preclude the pastor from speaking against state-sanctioned homosexual marriage, or usury, wouldn’t it?

))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

Thank you, Vincent……

Great Information…….

I’m actually a bit Agnostic over the MOAB Strike…….

Destroying ISIS is Good……

Trump and MAGA Nation wanted that…….

Not sure why we are still in Afghanistan though……..

Bin Laden is dead……

We’re not going to stop the Taliban from eventually taking a lot of Power back…….

The Shock and Awe aspect of the MOAB Attack is very Plausible……

If not 100% Certain…..

I wish Trump would Flex some Muscle with Building the Border Wall…….

Flex some Muscle with ignoring Left Wing Activist Judges stopping his Travel Ban…….

Start dropping some Metaphorical Bombs on the Left in America…….

That would be MAGA!!

Carlton Richardson
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The Republicans will never let your president build a wall. But maybe some patch money for some fencing. Come on wake up, Trumps just a good conman and nothing more. He’s in it because the rich wanted him in it and none of this will benefit you. Get it?

Riopel
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Bombing other countries for inexplicable reasons is no different from entertainment for the dumb Amerikwan cattle. Wouldn’t it be nice if we actually bombed our (((enemies))) for once instead the people our enemies want us to bomb? Does anyone actually believe it was ISIS that was hit?

SLCain
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I’d wager that not a single government official can any longer explain our war aims in Afghanistan or state under what circumstances we would be prepared to leave. How is what we are doing now different than what we did in 2014? Or 2012? Or 2010? Of course, they might say: But Obama was President then. Well, what about 2008, or 2006, or 2004, when Bush was President?

We seem to be on our way to the Hundred Year War that John McCain promised us when he ran in 2008.

Riopel
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“I’d wager that not a single government official can any longer explain
our war aims in Afghanistan or state under what circumstances we would
be prepared to leave”

Clearing regions for radical Islamic expansion to benefit Israel.

SLCain
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Mike Enoch mentioned that if you were an alien anthropologist, viewing the Earth from space, you would come to the conclusion that the U.S. Government / Military is an organization chiefly engaged in spreading radical Islam around the globe.

Игор
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))) Depeche Europa (((
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))) Depeche Europa (((

To all my Alt-Right Brothers and Sisters…….

I don’t care what our Enemies call us……..

We want to be Free…….

Peace to My Family……..

I wish all of you Great Blessings………

Gerald Martin
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And the best part is that anyone we don’t kill with our bombs over there gets to immigrate over here and kill us with their bombs. What a great foreign policy THAT is!

Cynic
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Shock and awe = blitzkrieg

Cobbett
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How’s that? Iraqi forces were bombed for a month and then mopped up…the Germans defeated the Anglo-French forces in 6 weeks.

Diversity Heretic
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It seems to me that the metallic toxicity of depleted uranium shells would be the biggest problem. Depleted uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium and I’ve never heard of the radiation associated with exposure to natural uranium producing seriously adverse health effects, except for people such as uranium miners. Shock and awe isn’t in itself a bad idea–much better than the idea of winning by attrition. But any military campaign should be fought to advance the interest of the people of the nation waging the war and this has not been the case in U.S. history since the Spanish-American… Read more »
le Père Mersenne
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The USAF won’t fly a C-130 over an S-300. Dropping the MOAB on some goats is just an expensive publicity stunt. It’s pretty much useless for anything else.

Cassandra2
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Thanks. I thought I was alone on this.

le Père Mersenne
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Nobody listens to you, do they?

Cassandra2
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Oh, no. I know nothing, even with a library of 3k books and many rare and 5 passports, post PhD, 45 yrs. of panic on such issues, etc.

le Père Mersenne
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I was referring to your Avatar’s story.

Cassandra2
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No, they didn’t her either. Anyway, it’s pointless now. All’s been flip-flopped and we’re heading into massive wars, out of which the solution will be the N. American Union and One World Gov from the UN, microchips, 250sf “homes” and carbon tax and 24/7 monitoring plus trans-human brain implants and more soft-kill food and drugs. What’s the capitol of N. America? Can one speculate in advance on the Amero? Going long now would be a good bet.

Dark Shroud
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It’s not that expensive considering the MOABs were paid for back during G.W. Bush’s administration. We have many more just sitting there in storage.

le Père Mersenne
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My guess they are have been in storage for almost 15 years, because they are useless.

Dark Shroud
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Yeah that’s why a General just used one to destroy a tunnel network used by ISIS and kill around a 100 of them in the process.

le Père Mersenne
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Do you believe everything you read? I’m not trying to be flippant here. I used to believe a lot of what I read. That’s why, to my everlasting chagrin, I supported OIF.

Dark Shroud
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I look at a lot of different sources. With N. Korea I also listen to people who escaped the country through various means.

le Père Mersenne
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Thanks for the reply. It has been 20 days since the MOAB dropping. Has much changed over there since? Will much change in the next 20 months? 20 years?

Dark Shroud
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The tunnel complex was destroyed. So it can’t be used by terrorist groups, smugglers, or human trafficking.

I’m for cleaning up our mess, including removing weaponry & ordnance, then getting out.

mp
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My guess is that it’s a trial run for MOABing some NK facillities.

Dillon Francis
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Perhaps but with what end in sight? Does anyone truly think that N. Korea will not retaliate?

Dark Shroud
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Right now N. Korea is limited in how they can retaliate. Which is probably part of the plan in the near future.

Cobbett
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They retaliate by using all they’re got on S Korea….that’s how.

mp
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End? I don’t think there is an end. Unless it’s just more chaos. We’ve been fighting in Afghanistan for 16 years. Why would anyone think there is an “end” to any of it?

DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

It means that America still hasn’t gotten the point that it would be far more economical to ban Muslim immigration.

WarPoet
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But that’s not who we are…

Cassandra2
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Typhoid Mary didn’t get a free pass in NYC either.

DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

“We” are, apparently, whatever Emma Lazarus scribbled in a notebook more than a century after the creation of the country.

Junius Daniel
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It means that the Yankee Government feels free to drop infinite amounts of ordinance, any where in the world, on those who are on their on sovereign ground, without a declaration of war.

As any non-scalawag Southerners knows – it’s business as usual, since 1861.

When I see the Army of Northern Virginia gather, I will join, and this time, if need be, we go north to Presque Isle, after we torch Pennsylvania Ave.

Until then, I have to cringe and endure my fellow Southerners waving Satan’s flag.

MylesStandish
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Umm what? Real Yankees have been purged from this government and we never supported it. It was dumb Southern hillbillies who thought Drumpf was going to make America great again.

Alt-right Southerners pretend to be nationalistic, but you’re really just useful idiots for ugly zionism. It’s time to bend the knee to patriots like Daniel Larison, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, all true Southern gentlemen and intellectuals. Repent, reform and learn from your betters.

Ike35
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Just don’t overlook the fact that this yankee gov’t is crawling with Shlomo.

mp
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According to Wikileaks, the tunnels we MOABed were ours to begin with. Or at least built with CIA money. Just taking back what belonged to us.

From Ohio
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Go ask Rep. Rohrabacher, he probably ran through these tunnels back in the 70’s and 80’s.

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