I think it is effective. I’ve seen a lot of ineffective rhetoric and antics over the years. This just isn’t one of them.

As far as antifa, they’re just not something you can step over. You will have to step on them at some point. A pile of dog shit is static. Antifa might be a pile of dog shit, but they aren’t static. They follow you and stalk you, get in your face, sucker punch you, and do everything in their power to keep you from getting your message out. If you’ve got some super secret plan to be out on the streets and completely avoid antifa antics, then I’m sure others would like to hear it. If it’s simply a case of you not going where they are or where they might be, then you really will never go anywhere.

The purpose of the street purpose was to signal to the world that we are against putting America’s interests aside in favor of neocon wars that will ultimately fail. You are making the same mistake Cernovich is making,

In two years, when Syria is a quagmire, no one will remember or care about the antifa presence. Our stance against the debacle will be what mattered.

“to communicate a message – not to gain a moral victory in your own head. ” *sigh*

That is exactly what happened. A message was communicated. Some people like Youtube videos with a nice background and premeditated message, some people like a physical presence filmed and provided through periscope.. Obviously you are the former. Spencer has now done both. You cannot make everyone happy 100% of the time.

You have this fixation with confronting antifa that I do not share in this particular instance. Dealing with antifa wasn’t the point of this demonstration – at all.

Playing the “fa” to the “anti-fa” is “doing something” alright – it’s doing something stupid. It is dancing to the anti-white’s tune. It’s shooting at the bullets instead of shooting at the guy holding the gun.

The anti-fa isn’t the enemy – the people who run the anti-fa are the enemy. There is a concerted effort to get the pro-white movement to act as the Chong to the anti-white Cheech. First – do no harm.

Calling a lawyer is far more effective than playing Cheech and Chong with antifa. The purpose isn’t to make yourself feel like a big brave man, the purpose is to win.

“Pile of dog shit” Don’t go so easy on them.

Really? When it happened all I could think was “This is a bad look.” Of course it shows the cowardice of ANTIFA as well, but if it inspired a few people to look into our ideas then it wasn’t all bad I guess.

Building real life institutions that promote our cause and our own communities is good too and long term more effective/productive. I agree. ANTIFA is still going to throw bricks through your windows though. They’ve made it their mission to shut down everything we try to build or create. Their not going to stop just because we take the “higher” ground.

“Pacifism remains an ideal, war a fact.”- Oswald Spengler

Look at Golden Dawn from Greece. They do marches, rallies etc that often result in clashes with local ANTIFA. They also engage with local communities and do charity work and such. Now their the third largest political organization in Greece. This is also what the Left did in North America and now they control all of the institutions. That’s why groups like ADL don’t have to have to have a street presence. Legitimacy is earned little by little over a long period of time. It doesn’t happen just because the “truth” is on your side and you conduct yourself in a professional manner. Having a real life presence in the community garners more respect than posting Pepe the Frog memes and attending one conference a year.

Yes, it’s more effective long term – and short term.

” Having a real life presence in the community”

Except that “street protests” in Washington DC are NOT in any way, shape, nor form “having a real life presence in the community” Bzzzt. It’s the exact opposite of that. The political and commercial districts of DC are NOT in any way a “community” and Washington DC is the site of protests precisely because it’s the seat of government, not a “real life community.” Can we please move past these glittering generalities with no substance whatsoever? This is cargo cultism. “Courage” “manly” “community” “streets” “standing up” – no one is using these words as anything other than empty labels, like magic incantations.

Antifa is a tactic. “Standing up to antifa in muh streets” is shooting at bullets instead of shooting at the guy holding a gun.

The entire WN movement, for the last 30-50 years, has done absolutely ziltch EXCEPT for hold “street protests” and otherwise mimic the Antifa and the left – and it is precisely why the WN has a track record of 100% failure.

For the people seriously talking about how it’s “manly” and “brave” to “stand up” to the antifa – this is a personal and psychological issue that reveals a deep sense of, well, something. You don’t feel like a “man” unless you, what, bravely fight a pile of dogshit? You prove your masculinity by getting yourself covered in shit and this proves you aren’t a coward because you aren’t afraid of being covered in shit?

What the hell is wrong with these people?

I’m open to suggestions on how to deal with the antifa problem, but considering the “muh streets” strategy as been proven to be a 100% failure going on 50 years, it’s pretty safe to dismiss those people out of hand from now on. What that saying about the dogs returning to their own vomit again and again?

“The only one who is making this about masculinity is you. ”

That is of course obviously false and all anyone has to do is read the comments in which these words are used by multiple commenters: “manly” “courage” “stand up” etc. We also see the childish tactic of imputing moral failures on the opponents.

Apparently, the antifa tactic is working perfectly: plenty of ostensibly pro-white people are taking the bait and mimicking antifa, thus have becoming as easy to dismiss as antifa.

As for my suggestions, I’ve already given some. I said stop shooting at bullets and go after the organizers. Incidentally, that is EXACTLY how the $PLC became rich and powerful. They did not show up and “counter protest in MUH STREETS” – they carefully and craftily bankrupted their enemies, appropriated their property, demonized them in the media and then even set up fake groups to sucker others into repeating the same mistakes again.

“sends out the message that we won’t be intimidated by these goofs.”
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So it’s really a feel good exercise – they people promoting this keep using the same language: “antifa” “strength” “manly.”

No strategic thought whatsoever, it’s simply reacting to antifa – antifa set the agenda and we’re supposedly to blindly “fight” them because this makes of feel “strong” and “manly.” That’s … interesting.

” Failure to do so on our part will get us relegated to marginal irrelevancy.”

Good god, the opposite is true. Turning yourself into a “protest movement” that has cutesly nicknames like “Based Stick Man” and is indistinguishable from antifa MAKES you marginal and ineffective.

This is really the best you can come up with? “We must be the Fa to the Antifa, we must do everything the Antifa does – they have long haired hippies so we must have skinhead. They have signs and chants, we must have signs and chants. The only way to be a Real Man is by copying Antifa.”

What’s next? Uniforms and costumes?