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How Trump Can Turn Healthcare Around

Richard Spencer discusses the death of the American Healthcare Act, how Trump can turn things around, and why he should offer a national healthcare plan in its stead.

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Spencer, “Why Trump Should Champion National Healthcare
Spencer, “The Case for National Healthcare

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))) Depeche Europa (((
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Great Video, Richard!

Thanks….

Stay Strong, My Brother……

Peace to the Alt-Right…….

Great Movement!

bob
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WHY ARE WHITES NOT STARTING A INS CORP FOR THEMSELVES – AS A PRIVATE COOP???? IF WE USE THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE LAW – THE PUBLIC LAW HAS ZERO TO SAY WHAT WE DO…

Ed Edgerton
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There is a good chance that the government ant the (((anti-whites))) would try to shut it down using civil rights laws. There would also be pressure on doctors not to work with this type of insurance. Regardless, I think it is worth trying.

bob
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The Courts have ruled many times that PRIVATE CLUBS of any type are not under ANY public laws policy … we can do it

Ed Edgerton
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The government has many ways to make things difficult for explicitly pro-white clubs. If a club employs people, then that could be a problem. If it takes tax deductions, that could be another problem. Obamacare, with its civil rights provisions, could prevent such a health plan from being considered valid for IRS purposes. There will also be pressure on doctors not to work with such a plan. Again, your idea would be difficult, but it is worth trying.

bob
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yes – it would be very hard to do – but one must try. The employment of people is not a problem – and not tax deductions – NO contact with the “public side”. Obamacare is only ‘public’ and would have zero power over us. The doctors would be hard at first – but as time goes on they would make more $$ and less paper work – it would take time, but can work, Bob.

Ed Edgerton
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Doesn’t Obamacare force people to pay a tax penalty if they don’t have health insurance considered valid by the government?

bob
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YES – They take your $$ out of your tax filing, if you do not pay … for being poor. But through this idea – you would have ins.

Rascal
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This is ultimately the best option. We need White doctors serving White patients, through a coop.

bob
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The REAL issue here is that we control the spending of our own $$ to ourselves. The #1 issue behind our down fall is that we gave up the control, rights and issuance of our own national $$ for ourselves.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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I’ve never had anyone been able to answer what health insurance companies do other than serve as a middle man taking a cut for themselves.

bob
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that is all they do .

Krafty Wurker
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Dick has made a modest suggestion. Many, including Dick, understand that we are being forced by the market to take action to control healthcare costs, and provide health insurance for people who work for a living. Remember this, the major sticking point in most labor negotiations is the out of control rising cost of healthcare.

Orson_23
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Richard Spencer needs to stop promoting ridiculous proposals, like this, under the banner of the Alt-Right.

He’s damaging the movement by associating the Alt-Right with these foolish, policy proposals.

Nationalized, government healthcare has been the goal of our (((enemy))) for decades, because it gives them complete control over the life and death of Whites. — And it ensures that wealth will flow endlessly from Whites to non-Whites.

Even in a completely White ethno-state, universal government healthcare would lead to disaster.

Richard Spencer is completely wrong.

And Stefan Molyneux is right:

“How To Save Health Care: A Memo to Donald Trump”

Bax Byron
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Richard, I think you are on point here as usual. Republicans could absolutely OWN the politics of a vastly improved healthcare system. They could effectively end the healthcare debate so that we could move on to bigger and better things. Unfortunately, free market & for profit medicine is a sacred cow of the Replicuck Party. Got to get those healthcare industry donations to keep muh seat in muh congress for as long as I can. After all, it’s muh power.

grumpiertrucker
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This is so politically naive tho that it’s embarrassing. And since I’m seeing it echoed by other Alt-Right guys, I can only wonder if you’ve all been eating retard pills. I’ll respond directly to this vid first and then the larger point the Alt-Right has been making. First: This wasn’t a compromise bill where no one was happy. Liberals were ecstatic and giggly over this bill as it completely entrenched Obamacare and put us on the road to Single payer. So that assessment is almost childlike. Saying that it’s our job to criticize Trump and hold his feet to the… Read more »
Christopher Michael Dalrymple
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Christopher Michael Dalrymple

I like you Grumpy Trucker, you seem to know the fine details that many, myself included, are lacking.

DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ
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DaveMD ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗᴰʳ

Very interesting post.

Rascal
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The US already spends a disgusting amount of money on healthcare. Illegals and blacks already get free healthcare through emergency room usage. Did you know that the life expectancy for White males without a college degree is actually going down? In my opinion single payer is on the table because of these very reasons. If “liberals” loved this bill why weren’t they willing to vote for it? The real reason they loved it is because it made Paul Ryan, and by extension Trump, look foolish. It wasn’t just the bill either, it was the fact that they didn’t even allow… Read more »
grumpiertrucker
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1. Healthcare has nothing to do with life expectancy. Another Leftist talking point you’ve internalized promulgated by jokers like Michael Moore in his movie. Japan has a much higher life expectancy than we do, not because of healthcare but because they don’t use narcotics, they don’t have guns, they don’t drink nearly as much, they don’t drive cars as much, they don’t have 13% African minority and they eat better. So the fact that you conflate the two simply underscores my point that the Alt-Right is adopting all the language of the Left and opting to fight ONLY on their… Read more »
Rascal
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I don’t care about the “Republicans”, the GOP, and I am getting to the point where I do not care about the US. I only care about White people.

If the US and/or the GOP does not have the balls to stem the third world tide into the US, than the next best option is to accelerate the US into insolvency. National health care would help do that, while also providing better, cheaper care to White Americans in the mean time.

Robert Bruce
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Rising white working class mortality rates have more to do with poor life decisions and the overall state of the economic opportunities that exist in this nation. Alcoholism, drug addiction and suicide are the main causes of this drastic increase in the mortality rate. It is more of a spiritual depression type thing. Think of Fight Club and that famous monologue by Tyler upon welcoming the members to the first fight club. Guys are losing their jobs or have to work a second one just to get by. They aren’t eating very well, mostly fast food, etc and have lost… Read more »
Rascal
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We are talking about a “real program”. Sorry, but grumpie and people like him need to stop worshiping the free market. You said it yourself that automation is only going to destroy more jobs. After national healthcare, the next step is a basic minimum income. If people cannot sell their labor the free market simply doesn’t work anymore. Either that or coop ownership of the means of production if everything is going to be automated. I know I am sounding like a communist, but how else do Whites expect to prosper when I have seen estimates that 38% of jobs… Read more »
grumpiertrucker
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Healthcare has NOTHING to do with life expectancy. And to continue to assert that is what is quite stupid. You’re conflating correlation with causation. Africans have a lower life expectancy HERE in America. So there goes your “Just look at mortality rates in Africa” argument. Africans don’t have clean water, clean genetics, healthy food, infrastructure and a billion other things not related to healthcare at all. Please research this since you don’t know what you’re talking about. Read Coulter on this as well. And you’re exhibiting all the signs of a Liberal: You confuse correlation with causation; You argue a… Read more »
Rascal
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You cannot sit here and tell me that modern healthcare doesn’t effect things like infant mortality rate, and death by diseases such as TB and measles. Western healthcare systems have completely eradicated diseases that still kill people in the third world. We don’t have the “BEST” health care in the world if your largest demographic, non college educated White males are experiencing a lower life expectancy. Get that fact through your head. This is why Republicans like you lose elections all the time. Clean water, “infrastuctructure” like hospitals and emergency personnel, “healthy food” and a “billion other things” are considered… Read more »
grumpiertrucker
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Yes I can sit here and say it. Because it’s true. Research it. You make my point by talking about infant mortality. Premature birth is far and away the leading cause of it. Any healthcare system is NOT going to fix that. Unless you believe that if African women were in the US, they could go to the Doctor and somehow avoid premature birth? How exactly? It’s genetic. It’s also what drags down our life expectancy for the Nation: Because we have a genetically inferior minority population dragging the totals down. You’re making my argument again with your 2nd paragraph.… Read more »
Rascal
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As a White former libertarian, ultimately I would love a completely free market healthcare system, free of government intervention, but we will never have that. The democrats will use national health care as a way to buy votes from third worlders, and will use it to cement their power for a generation. Might as well beat them to the punch, and give poor whites better health care options in the process. If republicans like you wanted a free market solution, than you should have never agreed to let non White third worlders immigrate here, whether legal or illegal in the… Read more »
grumpiertrucker
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I never agreed to let 3rd worlders in. By begging for the Liberals to take over your healthcare, you will be guaranteeing that the flood of them will never stop or even abate. They are drawn here by Democrats for the welfare and goodies. Now you want to give them the biggest goodie of all. Every African who can get in a boat will crash our shores. And the Cuck mindset: Can’t beat them, might as well join them. The Left NEVER says this. They fight and sue and sue and fight and destroy until they get their way. We’ve… Read more »
Rascal
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The Alt Right isn’t finished, stop being such a drama queen for Christ’s sake. No other political movement even asks “what about White people”, let alone pretends to look out for their interests.

Ultimately the solutions you presented, even if they are preferred by White people, will never get enacted, so best to look for the best path to power, and that is being the ones that enact national health care.

One Man's Chorus
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How will adopting national health care put the alt-right in power? If anything, it would discredit the Trump administration for ballooning the federal budget deficit.

Rascal
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Like anyone beside autists care about the national debt at this point. The last time that was a relevant talking point was 10 years ago. The financial system is already mathematically so broken, its death would be a mercy, if it even is possible for it to implode.

I would rather buy off Bernie bros, pacify 40 million blacks for 10-20 years of Trumpian power, provide cheap healthcare to lower middle class Whites, and use the legislation as a bargaining chip to do real immigration reform.

One Man's Chorus
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Were Greek bondholders “autistic” when they observed Greece’s debt-to-GDP ratio climb to 175% and jumped ship? Insuring 300 plus million people, plus all of the fraudulent claims filed by non-residents, would add trillions to the national debt. Our economy isn’t growing fast enough to sustain that big of an expense. You can’t keep going deeper into debt, because at some point the debt holders observe that it’s impossible for you to repay it. You become a liability and the government would have to promise debt holders bigger interest payments You assume that a national health insurance plan could be passed… Read more »
Rascal
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The debt is not slowing down, lol. What is a few trillion more? At some point, regardless of what happens to health care it is going to come down to the US telling its creditors to either fuck off, or invade us.

One Man's Chorus
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Its creditors are US citizens, the same people you claim Trump is trying to buy off with national health care.

Rascal
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The US civilians are debtors, not creditors. the creditors are foreign nations like China, US bond holders and the federal reserve. The average US citizen already owes a shit ton of money, what is a little more, plus good health care?

Besides, if we lived in a 90% White country I would agree with you, but we don’t. We live in an already declining multiracial empire. The US will be a cautionary tale of how not to run things within this century anyways.

One Man's Chorus
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67% of our national debt is held by American citizens.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/2016/opds022016.pdf

Rascal
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Americans are responsible for paying 100% of the debt. As far as I am concerned they are debtors. 67% of the time they would happen to be paying back themselves.

grumpiertrucker
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You’re not advocating for white people. You’re advocating for their further displacement. I am advocating for white people.
You have a Loser/Cuck mentality… Can’t beat ’em, join ’em… and it’s nice what you want… but that will never happen… so might as well try to make do.
Loser.
Cuck.
The Left NEVER speaks this way. Ever.
The Alt-Right is finished.

Rascal
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How exactly are you advocating for White people? I am advocating for poor Whites to get health coverage, you are advocating for your muh free market pipe dream.

grumpiertrucker
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Not a pipe dream How the whole industry actually functioned for about 220 of our 241 years.
But to you that’s a pipe dream.
So let’s just surrender everything.
White people will ONLY be harmed by Universal Government Health Care. Poor people white or black can get Medicaid right now… today.

Rascal
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Those 220 years the US was 90% White…. It is 62% White and dropping. At this point the only way you are getting your free market system, is if the US implodes, and a White ethno state forms. How you cannot see this, is truly fucking amazing. You are just as delusional as lolbertarians.

Rascal
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One last thing, the word “rino” is fucking stupid. wft is a Republican anymore anyways. If I am to take the last 15 years at face value Republican means Zionist globalist, who loves lobbying money from insurance agencies and getting Americans killed in stupid wars, while importing the third world… Yea, I guess I am a rino, lol.

grumpiertrucker
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A RINO is Republican in Name Only. What we’ve had running the Party for 50 years. They campaign on things like the Free Market, then they turn around and blow up the size of Government. An example of this is arguing for Federal control over Healthcare. I guarantee you that Trump would have never been elected if he campaigned on Single Payer healthcare. Wouldn’t have happened.

Rascal
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So basically it is when the GOP stopped advocating for their own people, and nation, and instead went down the muh conservatism route, which allowed them to dupe voters by using bumper sticker phrases, instead of actual results, for an actual constituency.

grumpiertrucker
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That is correct. Like getting elected on the implication that you are going to remove Federal involvement in Healthcare by repealing Obamacare. Then getting into office and allowing the insurance companies to further entrench Obamacare in their “repeal” bill. That’s a RINO. Then, allowing the media to determine for you that since you “failed” to pass this insurance industry bill…. it’s a huge disaster and you must “save” yourself and “save” your Presidency. And the only way you can do that is to beg the Liberals…. who’ve you just thoroughly smited in elections… to take over your Healthcare. That’s a… Read more »
Rascal
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Trump tried to repeal Obamacare, the only problem is it was a worse bill written by a conservative. So please excuse me while I laugh at some cuckservative coming to this website and telling me that the Alt Right is finished.

grumpiertrucker
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It is finished. Because you have weak minds and are weak. You have no fight in you. You are all talk.
This bill was NOT written by conservatives. Actually, it was the Conservatives in the Freedom Caucus who defeated it.
So you don’t know basic stuff.
But the Alt-Right is finished if it thinks it can trade with the Left and if it bends over and takes it at the first sign of trouble. And it only believes it’s trouble because the media is telling you it’s trouble.
Weak.

Rascal
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This is hilarious coming from conservatives who have given everything to liberals and lobbyists without getting anything. Your God Reagan gave California to democrats permanently with his amnesty, and got no border enforcement in return. You gave AIPAC the Iraq war, and got nothing but lobbying money in return.

The list is long and extensive of conservatives giving absolutely everything to their political enemies and not so much as whimpering when they left the table with the hands being empty.

The Alt Right would be willing to trade with the left, but we would actually get something in return.

grumpiertrucker
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You thinking I sound like a Reagan Republican is just proof that you don’t get it. Are not following along at all.
You’re a mess of contradictions.
I gotta life. Peace.

Rascal
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Than what are you? lol. You sound like a basic bitch conservative to me.

Rascal
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Whites having access to better healthcare proves your point? lol, ok. A national healthcare program would provide most Whites with access to better health care, and would eliminate many of the financial stress associated with White America’s health. It would also provide health care in a more efficient manner. Rich Whites that already had great coverage would continue to have great coverage because they would be able to pay for it out of their pocket just like before. There is a reason Americans pay more for medication, and drugs, and it is because of insurance companies being a bloated, corrupt,… Read more »
One Man's Chorus
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A national healthcare program would provide most Whites with access to better health care, and would eliminate many of the financial stress associated with White America’s health. You just assume this. How do you know that a national healthcare system will provide whites will better access to healthcare, since there is no mechanism in a national health plan to increase the supply of labor and supplies for medical services? Is a national health insurance plan going to increase the amount of doctors working in ER rooms and clinics? If not, then you are going to have longer wait times for… Read more »
Rascal
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There is also the costs. Healthcare costs are destroying White families, especially in the lower middle income brackets. It is one of the biggest reasons Whites aren’t having children… Family healthcare plans are expensive as fuck. Many of these Whites forgo healthcare all together. Longer wait times is better than no wait times at all.

One Man's Chorus
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Your response tells me that you don’t grasp the issue. You think the government could pass a national insurance plan and everything would be as is, except the government would cover the costs. You think people could just waltz on down to the hospital with an insurance card and get instant health care. In reality, it would be a complete fiasco and Trump would be blamed for it. He wouldn’t be in power for 8 years; he’d serve one term.

Rascal
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Not a national insurance plan, a national health plan. Remove the insurance companies entirely. Sure there would be wait times, and there would only be so many clinics available, at least at first, but it wouldn’t be a fiasco for the family of four than cannot afford ridiculous health insurance plans, it would cement their vote for the rest of their lives.

One Man's Chorus
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A national insurance program is what Canada and Germany have. So you want socialized medicine?

The autistic people are the ones who don’t understand the costs of producing health care.

Rascal
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Dumb people are the ones that realize that the US already spends more on healthcare per capita than any other country in the world, including the dreaded “socialized” countries. Oh no, maybe we will have to call off the next 6 trillion dollar desert adventure and actually spend the money on our own instead. Wouldn’t that be a shame if that happened.

One Man's Chorus
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the US already spends more on healthcare per capita than any other country in the world, including the dreaded “socialized” countries.

Yes, why is that? Could it be that they spend less per capita on their populations because they’ve had to make budgetary cuts?

Rascal
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It is because our retarded system is an aborted amalgamation of a “free market system”, laced with socialized medicine. It is what 50 years of bullshit compromises looks like. Either go full national health care, or full free market…. With the national health care plan you get to buy power. That is why I prefer it at this point.

One Man's Chorus
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You don’t know what you’re talking about. It wouldn’t buy power; it would alienate Trump’s base and the libtard voters won’t support Trump in 2020.

You avoided my question because you don’t understand economics.

Rascal
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You over estimate the “free market wonk” portion of the population. Most people just want a good future for their children and themselves. There is a reason republicans will never touch SS or medicare. The only way you are ever getting a free market health care system is if the US goes insolvent, and a White ethno state emerges that is built on libertarian economic principles.

That is just the cherry one the cake for me. If the Us goes down maybe we roll the dice and get a chance to start over with the lessons learned.

One Man's Chorus
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If the US goes down, who’s to say Trump’s administration won’t be blamed for it? After all, he was the one who spearheaded national health care which pushed America off a fiscal cliff.

Rascal
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Very few people in the US care about the national debt. The actions that set America down the path of mathematical insolvency was started long before Trump was elected into office. Hew would be out of office personally before the US actually imploded anyways.

grumpiertrucker
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I never stated or implied that I was responding to whites having access to better healthcare. Never broached that subject at all. The only thing I even mentioned was whites can figure out their own lives and pay for their own healthcare. So the fact you reached that conclusion tells me that you are either A) Not dealing in good faith arguments here. (Another Liberal tactic you’ve learned. Always mischaracterize what the opposition is saying and then respond to that mischaracterization. ) or B) You just struggle with reading and listening comprehension. Either way I’m not going back and forth… Read more »
Rascal
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You cannot compare McDonalds and health insurance. Health related products are unique.

It isn’t just government that screws things up, it is bureaucrats of any kind, including those in insurance companies. I am not necessarily defending government intervention, that is what you don’t understand. I am trying to do the best with an already completely screwed up situation.

Ultimately I believe in coops that coordinate directly with doctors, but if I am already paying taxes that fund health care anyways, why shouldn’t I get some benefit from that?

grumpiertrucker
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You are surrendering to the Left. You’ve internalized and adopted all their premises. You even use their language. And quote their BS talking points. And any “fight” in you is only done on the ground the Liberals have chosen for you. And is merely symbolic. One small setback, or at the slightest resistance….and you immediately bend over and give up your entire healthcare system. Yeah, the Alt-Right is finished. No fight in them at all. Just Cucks who can’t wait to fold. And not only can they not wait to fold, they want to give up things in the process.… Read more »
Rascal
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There is no “left”, or “right” anymore, there is only what is best for White people. I don’t give a shit about your stupid political party, or your dumb fucking ideologies like muh individualism. I care about political power, and the survival of White people.

Since conservatives like you have done nothing to conserve America, or White people you have no room to talk about any other political movement as far as I am concerned.

grumpiertrucker
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Yeah, that’s like saying I don’t care about religion. Problem with that is there is a huge group of people out there who DO care about religion. And they are cutting off heads. You pretending to be above it all doesn’t and won’t change that. This is why I keep saying, “Get in the game.” You don’t care about Party identity… when another group DOES care about party identity… that means you are screwed. And you are… In the past 50 years you’ve given up your education system from top to bottom… slowly given away your healthcare system until it’s… Read more »
Rascal
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I care about identity, specifically race.That is all that matters anymore, and that is all the political parties actually represent.

Who is this “you”, you are talking about, lol. I wasn’t even alive when the conservative boomer generation was busy giving the country away in order to avoid being called racist.

C. Edgars
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Giving over the healthcare industry to the leftists deep state is, in all honesty, the one and only way I can see the white death rate continue to grow at pace. Third worldists would love nothing more than to be a commissar deciding that all white men are to be situated at the back of the line for care despite being the overwhelming majority of the net tax payers who fund it. Conversely, this would change nothing about the behavior of irresponsible brown underclass members and would not budge the loyalty of reflexive leftists either. Tame that liberal paternalism Richard.

bob
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Were is the modern Social State from ? Bismark’s Germany – and his model worked cuz it was one nation, one language, one general Church, one history …. and it was built on the idea of HIGH tariffs and things that were made for export – high $$ export… Dose any of this sound like a free trade rainbow bs that is modern America?? Spencer this is America not Europe and not 1933…. You fix health care by having a 2 tier system – one local and every day care with you and your doctor where you pay him XXX… Read more »
Yehudah Finkelstein
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Even Bismarck’s Germany had its crack ups: See the Kulturkampf and its treatment of Alsatians.

bob
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no systems are perfect – humans involved …

Ed Edgerton
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I am opposed to single payer national health care if it forces whites to use the same doctors and facilities as all of the Thurd World hordes pouring into our country. In a sane world, whites with good jobs would be able to pay more to get away from these people. As I understand it, I have just about the best type of health plan possible under the Affordable Care Act. I still am stuck having to sit in waiting rooms full of Thurd Worlders. Anything that doesn’t move us away from that situation is pointless, as far as I… Read more »
Rascal
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At this point I am perfectly fine with Whites being forced to actually deal with what they have created. Imagine if all well off, snarky, smug Americans actually had to deal with the third world they have helped bring into the country? Actual change may be pushed at that point.

Ed Edgerton
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There are various ways at looking at things. I think it is good to argue, on an explicitly pro-white basis, for policies that help whites. The same goes for immigration. Would you argue for open borders because it would help wake up smug whites? That doesn’t make sense. I think it is best to argue for policies that help whites, but to do so on an explicitly pro-white basis. That is the essence of white identity politics. We want to get whites to start thinking about their group interests, explicitly.

Rascal
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The way you get brain dead Whites to understand they have group interests is to either explain it to them, or have them experience it for themselves. I advocate that any White that thinks that we (humans) are all the same, and Whites have no group interests, should be placed into the nearest state penitentiary for no less than three months. The US is already minority White in the under 5 age group. Based on Trump’s actions to date there is little reason to believe that we can save White majority status in the US. Time for draconian measures as… Read more »
Kate Hikes
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One of the more curious things about this debate is the idea that single payer/state financed healthcare would be more expensive than the current system. Yet Americans spend more on healthcare per capita than any other industrialized country, so it’s hard to see how that could be the case. A very large part of American healthcare expenditure is used to pay for insurance companies and those whom doctors, hospitals, etc. have to pay deal with them; but not one of these individuals, who must be absolutely legion, provides any sort of care or improves anyone’s health at all. By cutting… Read more »
Rascal
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Exactly. People that are against “socialized” medicine appear to not be aware of how much America already spends on healthcare. It is ridiculous.

Jeff Dabulis
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enough of your socialism, Spencer. it won’t work with our country’s demographics. Ask why all the government involvement in the healthcare system we have now was “necessary.” Who will come out better off when merit-based economic realism is applied instead?

Crud Bonemeal
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” Who will come out better off when merit-based economic realism is applied instead?”

Probably globalist billionaires and Jews, to be honest.

Certainly public spirited nationalistic gentile billionaires seem to be quite rare.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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As I said below, Spencer is advocating single payer to make Whites suspicious and angry about paying for health care for blacks and Hispanics. Single payer will also drive the USA deeper into financial chaos, opening up the possibility of a Soviet style collapse and breakup along ethnic lines.

JPS
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White survival depends on focusing the attention of whites towards their own interests. The US government will take the money of whites and give it to minorities. The more means they have to do that, the more effectively that end will be achieved. Whites need to pool their own resources, single payer ensures that Federal judges will prevent that. Focusing on white survival doesn’t mean that we hope we can get minorities to have fewer babies while merely “encouraging” whites to have more (force is required to be used on white women – that REQUIRES taking abortion away from them… Read more »
One Man's Chorus
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Richard, a single-payer system would guarantee that Trump served one term. Once the thing kicked in, it would expand the budget deficit. (And no, it can’t be financed with tariffs.) Those who say that a single-payer system will make health care cheaper don’t know what they’re talking about. It would obviously increase demand for medical services, which would increase the price for the labor and capital needed to provide those services. Hospitals would need more MRI machines, more CT machines, more stethoscopes, more doctors, more nurses, etc. A single-payer system won’t make the cost of manufacturing MRI machines cheaper; it… Read more »
Grant
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Glad someone actually gets it. On this subject some people on the Alt-Right is as stupid as the Left.

gokart-mozart
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“A single-payer system won’t make the cost of manufacturing MRI machines cheaper” Nobody said a Medicaid-based single payer will cover MRI. If you want an MRI, there will be a private market and you can pay for it, or your private insurance you pay for can. What EVERYBODY wants (and I’ve been sending doctor bills for 45 years) is to take your kid with a fever and a sore throat to the doctor, get a prescription, take it to the pharmacy (or even better, to the drug desk in the practice), and the only thing you hear from the doctor… Read more »
One Man's Chorus
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Medicaid already covers MRIs and other diagnostic scans in all 50 states. It covers surgeries, dental work, psychological counseling, prescription drugs and a bunch of other services. So if Trump based a single-player plan on Medicaid, what I said would still apply – the demand for medical services (doctors, medicine, surgical instruments) would increase and so would their costs. Patients wouldn’t see rising costs; they’d think the government contained costs because now they could pick up prescription drugs at Walmart for nothing. But the government would see the rising costs and take measures to control it. They might institute a… Read more »
Afterthought
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White taxes going to non-white health care. Wow. Just…

Nick Eisendick
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You’re already paying for it.

Rascal
Guest

At the rate things are going economically and professionally it will be Chinese and Indians paying for Whites healthcare….

unpaidpundit
Guest

For decades, Republicans have (without saying it aloud, of course) tried to “starve out” blacks and browns, i.e. allow them very little in the way of social benefits. It hasn’t worked. Even though the U.S. spends less than 2% of GDP (not including Medicaid) on the poor, the black and brown population continues to grow and thrive. Meanwhile, life expectancy for white Americans has plunged in a manner reminiscent of the increase in mortality in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Yes, but those tactics are not wrong.

They’re just insufficiently draconian.

Vlad le Putin
Guest

Pretty much this

Alek
Guest

If single payer was only applied to citizens, I’d be OK with it. It would also be applied to non-citizens and illegals, acting as a further entitlement for our replacements. Thus, I can’t support it at this time.

gokart-mozart
Guest

Oh, and with reference to my post below about single-payer, it goes without saying that closing the Southern border, with a wall and machine guns if necessary, expulsion of anyone (and their children) without citizenship or permanent residency with the right to work, and capital punishment for selling opioids or amphetamines will all be part of the grand bargain.

Alek
Guest

In exchange for serious immigration reform and restriction, I’d agree to single payer.

edcdbbb6
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I feel like we’re standing on a beach, all the water has suddenly rushed out a mile and there fish flopping around, and nobody else noticed. They’re standing around talking about what to have for dinner. Richard, the US is *broke*. There is going to be a fiscal crisis inside the next five years. There will be no infrastructure program. There will be no new healthcare plan, and in fact medicare is going to collapse. You people need to get it through your heads that there’s no money. Explaining to people that the money is all gone is what Trump… Read more »
R. Casimir
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Why’s that? Other than the gold vendors and their in house propaganda writers who believes that? People have been saying “we’re broke” and the dollar is going to crash since the seventies. They have projected hyper-inflation but we don’t see any sign of that, just a slow trickle of a few percent a year. Hard to keep in front if you are a saver trying to live on investments, not as big deal if your benefits are indexed. Back in the late 90s we were assured that this was it. We’d passed the point of no return and the bond… Read more »
edcdbbb6
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I wouldn’t bet on a dollar crash or a hyper-inflation. Probably exactly the opposite. What is an arithmetic certainty is the national debt can’t double again over the next eight years. We’re not going from 20 trillion to 40 trillion. Massive cuts are coming to all kinds of things whether people like that idea or not.

R. Casimir
Guest

Agreed. But if you look at the debt to GDP graph it looks like we’ve already flattened it out.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S

But your point is still accurate, no room to go above the already absurd $500B – $1T a year in deficit spending. That is some sort of real limit. (We hope!)

Krafty Wurker
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Medicaid may collapse, Medicare won’t, because Medicare is an insurance system you pay into all of your working life, until you are 65. Then it’s a slow start to be able take advantage of it.

Dick has made a modest suggestion. Many, including Dick, understand that we are being forced by the market to take action to control healthcare costs, and provide health insurance for people who work for a living. Remember this, the major sticking point in most labor negotiations is the out of control rising cost of healthcare. This includes with almost all government employees, organized or not.

One Man's Chorus
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We’re going to finance the debt with tariffs, hurr!

unpaidpundit
Guest

The U.S. is not broke or anywhere close to it. Certainly, the financial markets do not believe that the U.S. is broke. The markets continue to lend the U.S. money at very low interest rates. No one lends money to a government that is about to go bankrupt.

Robert Bruce
Guest

They do when if the entity getting the loan can’t pay it is fire sale time for all the natural resources(national parks, etc) that the lender can get!!!!!! Do you think Wall St banks only do this to 3rd World nations?

edcdbbb6
Guest

Have you looked at the 10 year treasury lately? I think you don’t really know what’s developing. The US actually can’t raise much long term debt anymore. Everything is getting rolled over on short term t-bills. When interest rates inevitably rise it hits the fan.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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I think Col. Spencer proposes Socialized Medicine to fast track what Schumpeter called Creative Destruction. A Public Health Care Option WILL bankrupt the government and eventually end the United States as we know it, just like out of control spending ended the USSR in the Eighties. Schumpeter held that the chaos of economic shocks, new technologies, and other cataclysmic events held possibilities for economic “creation” amidst the “destruction.” In this lense, Richard is applying Creative Destruction to American Whites, with the possibility that increased social spending will be the the final nail in the coffin for the late great USA.… Read more »
Orson_23
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Richard Spencer’s healthcare proposition is utterly ridiculous. We’re at war. Our existential enemy has total control of our government. — They want us dead. And Richard Spencer wants to give them complete control over our healthcare. — What could go wrong? The Alt-Right needs to get its shiit together and realize that we’re going to have to draft two, separate sets of policies on practically every issue. — War-time policies — and post-victory, peace-time policies. The post-victory policies will be the laws, and governmental structure, that we intend to implement AFTER we’ve reclaimed our White ethnostates. If we had already… Read more »
Crud Bonemeal
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“In the current year, we don’t want a healthcare system that “works” for all Americans. — We want a healthcare system that helps Whites, and hurts non-Whites. — Harsh but true.”

This. This. This.

unpaidpundit
Guest

You can tailor a healthcare system that helps the rich, but hurts the working and middle class. You can not tailor a system that only helps whites and no one else.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Probably true… but if a healthcare system helps minorities more than it helps whites… that’s bad.

Yehudah Finkelstein
Guest

Spencer is proposing National Health Care to help sink the USA into debt and kill off the proposition nation. Then America breaks up along ethnic lines like the USSR did.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

It does make a certain level of sense from an accelerationist perspective.

Jarod
Guest

If this were the case, would it really have made a difference if Hillary had won?

unpaidpundit
Guest

Hillary is a globalist who favors “free” trade, open borders. She would not have hesitated to find ways to favor her black and Latino base.

Crud Bonemeal
Guest

Trump is the accelerationist candidate, Hillary is more of a status quo candidate.

The hope is that he’ll speed up the process of sorting people into teams and getting them pointed at the right enemies.

Yehudah Finkelstein
Guest

Hillary would never advocate for a public option.

Yehudah Finkelstein
Guest

Blacks and Hispanics on welfare makes funding a public option on health care impossible.

Of course, we could always tax shit like cotton plantations to pay for more free stuff.

tic
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Only in our dreams will the plan include a one-time payment to any male welfare recipient who voluntarily gets a vasectomy. Too bad, because that would probably solve the welfare problem.

Alt Right Gossip on Youtube
Guest

when o-care collapses, trump will form a coalition with the Dems and a few
gop to install single payer….you heard it here first

grumpiertrucker
Guest

Name me the last Government program that “collapsed.”
I’ll wait.
They’ll keep shoveling money into this thing until all our Great-Great Grandchildren are dead.
The Housing collapse just broke the whole world and all those derivatives laws, repeal of Glass-Steagall, etc… are still in place.
This is also the talk of the “True Conservative” or the Cuck. There is zero evidence that any Government program will “collapse.” Because there is not a single Government program that has ever “collapsed.” They’ll just keep stealing money from you and your bosses forever.

Get in the game, Alt-Right.

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