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Michael Flynn Did Nothing Wrong

General Michael Flynn did nothing illegal; in my estimation, he did nothing wrong.

I’m surprised that Trump accepted Flynn’s resignation and that, reportedly, Steve Bannon called for it. This will not lessen the attacks on the administration, which we’ve seen ever since the inauguration. Indeed, it will most likely amplify them, as “The Resistance,” as they call themselves, will be emboldened by getting their first “scalp.”

Lost in the salacious headlines about “Russian espionage” and “treason” is the fact that Flynn did not share any classified information with the Russian ambassador (which would have been grossly illegal). The Logan Act (1799)—which guards against unauthorized negotiations with foreign powers—appears in most stories on Flynn, but it has, in fact, never been enforced and would not be operative in this case.

Flynn’s ultimate crime was charting a new diplomatic course with Moscow—a state that, in a sane world, would be viewed by Americans as a potential ally or, at the very least, one whose interests are not in conflict with our own. This realistic view is unacceptable to those who demand global hegemony, as well as the mass media, who don’t want to lose their new favorite bogeyman.

Flynn’s choice to not give complete information to Vice President Mike Pence was wise and shrewd. Pence is a loyal and decent man, but not an intelligent or independent one. He is a “conservative” of the Dubya Era; in other words, he is steeped in the ideology and policies that Trump (and Flynn) are leaving behind. Pence is the kind of person who would return to the neocon script if given the chance, who views the Soviets—er, Russians—as eternal adversaries, and who would embrace military engagements for reasons of so-called “humanitarianism” and “democracy.” Mommy and Daddy shouldn’t tell the children everything there is to know about the world. . .

Overall, this scandal reveals that Trump lacks the allegiance, not just of the mass media, but of the Deep State, that is, the unelected bureaucratic and legal apparatus of the government. People within the Deep State leaked the information on Flynn’s phone call, and they will attempt to undermine Trump at every turn.

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  • Je Suis Charles Martel

    His problem is what his problem has always been; he constantly contradicts himself because he can’t keep his story straight.

    • Andrew

      The problem is that this could happen and likely has in other administrations and nothing happened because such administration didn’t have a bunch of traitors infiltrating them. Flynn indeed did NOTHING WRONG and if this is the dynamic inside Trump’s white house the people who criticize Pence as a Neo-con “True con” bad choice are being vindicated.

      • VectorPrime

        This was leaked by the FBI/CIA if I remember correctly.
        There are tons of people within the Trump admin and other parts of government which will undermine the Trump admin.

        Too bad Trump is not Stalin…Because a purge is whats needed at this point.

  • Fred

    Trump must continue with his agenda, regardless. Shrink legal immigration, build the wall and deport as many illegals as possible. He needs to go medieval on media after reports that Melania is a hooker. Any weakness play to the Satan’s hand, which includes libshit, media, Deep State, racist minorities and other hostile and treacherous element.

    • echoprinter

      I agree, media is at war with him. He and others in this circle need to do the same.

  • He needs to root the leakers out and throw them in a deep dark hole.

    • Laguna Beach Fogey

      Helicopter rides.

    • Cat Ruby

      I think you’re on the right track “root the leakers out”. Flynn was more likely giving this Administration ‘Deniability’ of what’s known yet publicly denied. And, I’m more disappointed that a supposed loyalist President throws the General under the bus so quickly. On this path, The Donald will be mush in two years.

    • Spanish Inquisition

      It’s not that easy. Basically every bureaucrat is in the federal government is against us.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    This is troubling, I’m troubled.

    Flynn was certainly not our guy. But he was more of an independent, anti-establishment voice than most people working in the DC swamp today.

    Whoever takes over his position is likely to be far worse from our perspective,and Trump will have one less independent voice advising him, likely replaced by a more establishment voice urging him to become more of a normal republican.

    • Kev

      Indeed, I worry this event will prove more significant than the people realise. Flynn was the cornerstone of Trump’s entire national security strategy to the extent that he had one. His replacement will call for a tougher stance on Russia for sure.

    • Alek

      Fox News is bringing on a parade of Jews and Neocon enemies of the administration(which is not stated) suggesting names like Lindsey Graham as NSA. This is clearly a coordinated mini-coup by the establishment. Honestly, this was a really stupid thing to fire him over unless his ties to Russia go far beyond what we’ve all heard.

      • Alek

        The worst thing about fake news is that they intentionally provide no context. They’ll bring on Republicans who are avowed opponents(even endorsing HRC) of Trump and pretend like he’s losing support within his own party. They know Trump has just as many so-called Conservative enemies as far-left foes.

    • The Jews wanted him gone because he retweeted an anti-Jew tweet once.

    • VectorPrime

      I doubt Trump will put someone who has a diametrically opposed views in this position though.
      At least I hope not.

  • Phil

    Flynn lied to Pence. Yes, I know Pence is a “basic bitch”, but Richard, you can’t have key advisers lying to the Vice President. Pence is a loyal, docile man … and an evangelical. All Flynn had to say is “muh forgiveness”, and he would have been fine.

    • AFIK it was the TV that said Flynn lied to Pence. Let us not be distracted from that apparent fact.

      • No, that was the reason Trump gave for accepting the resignation.

    • Ryan

      Jajajajaja!

    • Crud Bonemeal

      I’d like to know more information about the nature of the phonecall and the “lie” before deciding to buy this particular narrative.

      For now, I’ll treat the facts as uncertain, and just look at the practical effects of this, which factions win, which lose.

      • Triuwida

        I still haven’t heard any factual basis for the media narrative that “Flynn lied”. According to his account of the conversations, characterizing what he said as “discussing sanctions” is a huge stretch of the truth. So if that’s true he didn’t even lie to Pence, he simply didn’t repeat every word that was said and the little that was mentioned on the subject just didn’t merit inclusion in his briefing of Pence. Not a lie, by any stretch.

        Which means this is Deep State Media making a mountain over a molehill, which is what they will do when they have nothing better to work with. And when there are still people that will buy their b.s.

        Amazing that even know, so many alt-Righters accept what the legacy media says as fact, without question.

    • Rascal

      Who cares if Flynn lied to Pence? I don’t. Not to this extent. There is more at stake here than trucon morality.

  • Mailinated

    Why doesn’t posts in the news category show up on the frontpage (altright.com)? It’s the most frequent updated category.

    Frequency and ease of reading is one of the most important factors for making people read your blog, you should definitely make the news category show up on the frontpage IMO.

    • Crud Bonemeal

      seriously, if this is supposed to be the new alt-right hub it could use some current events content (like this) featured prominently

      Instead the front page is full of old and less relevant stuff and the side bar isn’t even visible on my phone

      • Y Finkelstein

        Yes, I don’t understand why esoteric essays on Iran are front and center instead of breaking news. There is a place for breaking news, just not on the front page of the website.

    • Kalos Kagathos

      They also need to fix the spacing between the pictures and headlines so that it’s clearer which picture goes with each headline.

    • Karen Bayer

      Good idea. The way to do that is — Copy the NY Times and Wapo headlines and name your beta thread the same thing, only with a slight variation. EG:

      NY Times: Flynn Denies Russia Collusion Then Quits

      Your Thread: Flynn Denies Russia Collusion AND Quits A DAY LATER.

  • Rascal

    This was a dumb move. Even if he lied to Pence this is an exceptionally dumb move. Trucons cannot stand not losing to their enemies. They have to give them victories even in their hour of triumph.

  • Tony Daggert

    The leak was likely known beforehand and was coordinated with the journalist to trap Pence with that specific line of questioning. Watching the interview, it reminded me of similar oddly specific questions directed at Trump throughout his campaign that were meant to coincide with an upcoming leak.

  • Ed Edgerton

    I thought that it was the Deep State that got Trump elected. Remember those reports about supposedly imminent arrests following Wikileaks revelations just before the election? Maybe all this Flynn episode demonstrates is that the Deep State is keeping Trump on a short leash.

    • Crud Bonemeal

      Someone was obviously trying to manipulate alex jones types and conservadads with those reports, but not sure if it was actually the deep state

      • Ed Edgerton

        I think Alex Jones is a disinformation agent for the deep state.

        • Crud Bonemeal

          plausible

    • Abcdedcba

      The FBI is not the Deep State. It’s certainly not the CIA.

      • Ed Edgerton

        Your comment is so brief that it hardly seems worth responding to. The Deep State must certainly include parts of the FBI.

        • Abcdedcba

          I should elaborate.

          The FBI is “deeper” than the EPA or HUD. It is less deep than the NSA and CIA.

          • Ed Edgerton

            In my view, the deep state extends through law enforcement agencies, definitely including the FBI. It influences the FBI and local law enforcement through the placement of agents and informants. I don’t think that the deep state equals national intelligence services per se. Instead, it is a more extensive and less easy-to-identify and describe entity.

      • Triuwida

        Who in those departments kept their jobs through the 0bama/Trump transition?

        There’s your Deep State. It’s pretty much *all of them.*

  • VectorPrime

    All there is to know about this story is that Flynn screwed up, and the enemies jumped at the opportunity to crucify him, and in the process proceeded to start dismantling the Trump administration. Personally I think its a blow since Flynn was “on our side” when it came to geopolitics.

    Expect more of the same over the next years. This is a war, which Trump could very well lose considering he has more enemies than Allies.

    Most of the power players in the USA and the world, do not want a world where other powers grow to be more powerful. A multipolar world. Probably there is part of the military-industrial-complex at work here too, always eager to get into a major war with Russia or its allies.

  • Edward Shattuck

    He allowed himself to be extorted.

  • curri

    Filthy neocon Eli Lake nevertheless makes some good points:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-14/the-political-assassination-of-michael-flynn

    Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.

    In normal times, the idea that U.S. officials entrusted with our most sensitive secrets would selectively disclose them to undermine the White House would alarm those worried about creeping authoritarianism. Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama’s incoming national security adviser and Iran’s foreign minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be deafening.

  • curri

    Left-wing German blogger:
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/02/the-flynn-defenestration-will-hamper-trumps-foreign-policy.html

    Trump’s enemies and some intelligence officials accused Flynn of lying about the phone calls with the Russian ambassador. It is unclear what the alleged lies really are and especially why they should matter. Obfuscation is part of any White House business. If Flynn had secretly talked with the Israeli ambassador (which he probably did) no one would have attacked him.

    So why was Flynn really under pressure and why didn’t Trump back him? It would have been easy for Trump to say: “I ordered Flynn to do that. Obama did similar. In both cases it was a GREAT success. USA! USA! USA!” Nobody would have been able to further attack Flynn over the issue after such a protective move.

    Sure, the real beef other people have with Flynn is not about Russia but other issues, like his plans to reform the intelligence services. But by throwing Flynn out like this Trump opened himself to further attacks.

    As it looks now a rather small gang of current and former intelligence officials – with the help of the anti-Trump media – leaked Flynn out of his office. They will not stop there.

    Now blood is in the street and the hyenas will lust for more. The Trump magic is broken. He has shown vulnerability. Now they will go after their next target within the Trump administration and then the next and the next until they have Trump isolated and by the balls. He just invited them to proceed. All major foreign policy moves he planned will be hampered. The detente with Russia has probably ended before it even started.

    • Magic is broken, how many times did I hear that during the election?

  • My gut check says getting rid of a war monger is a good thing. Shouldn’t have brought him on in the first place

  • Y Finkelstein

    Grab the Popcorn. Bannon and Miller are trying to kneecap Priebus and Spicer.

    We can only hope the GOPe wing is forced out of the White House. The GOPe wing is responsible for forcing out Flynn, now they’re responsible for Spicer’s statement that Trump wants Putin to cede back Crimea to Ukraine.

    If this is from Breitbart, you know Bannon is leaking this. We want Bannon to purge the GOPe cucks and fight the Deep State CIA spooks who get fat off hostilities with Russia.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/flynn-resigns-priebus-future-doubt-trump-allies-circulate-list-alternate-chief-staff-candidates/

  • adolf binladin

    hopefully trump will refuse to deal with the managerial elites of the mass state and people will start disappearing

  • Karen Bayer

    I THINK IT’S AN OUTRAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PARTED WAYS WITH FLYNN. HE WAS LOYAL … STOOD UP TO THE WASHINGTON FILTH … AND DID NOT BUCKLE UNDER PRESSURE TO DO OBAMA’S CRAZED WILL. TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME IN 2 YEARS THAT I’M UPSET AT TRUMP. I WON’T FORGET THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

    • The Glove Cleaner

      Yeah, you weren’t upset when Trump mocked the disabled man OR attacked a Gold Star family OR bragged about sexual assault OR colluded with the Russian dictator…

      All I can say is THANK YOU Karen for announcing your putrid character so loudly. We won’t forget that either.

      • Halford Mackinder

        o

      • Karen Bayer

        HAHAHAH !!! You know what?? As soon as the Demo-Cripps call for a probe on Clinton’s illegal server and the 33,000 she bleached “after” the Order To Preserve was issued … then we’ll talk about Flynn. Tit for tat !!

        About Khizr Khan … The Gold Star Dad … Oh, so you haven’t heard !! Khizr Khan’s lawfirm processed Visas for rich Arabs for which he got paid $500,000 a piece!! And only for RICH Arabs, not the poor. These Arabs now live among us unvetted, unmonitored and no one knows where they are!

        Pretty cushy deal !! No wonder he wants an open border. Well, there goes his Mulla staight down the toilet. Hahahaha.

        Next, Khizr Khan went on CNN saying, “There’s no such thing as Sharia Law!” — and then we found his 1982 Journal, which he still owns, wherein he wrote, “All Muslims are BOUND to Sharia Law.” Want to see some photos of what they do over there to people under Sharia Law?? So I really don’t give a shit about Khizr Khan.

        Then he held up the Constition wagging his Muslim finger at us U.S. citizens, as if the whole world has the right to come in here! Well, Khizr forgot to read U.S. Code 1182(f), which states, the president has the exclusive write to ban any alien group, as he/she sees fit.

        About Mike Flynn — On January 23, 2017, the Washington Post released an article stating the FBI found NO WRONG-DOING IN FLYNN’S CALLS, after listening to the recordings. Go to —

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.2927034157bf

        So you’re all still forthing at the mouth about this, because why??? Further, under U.S. Code 798, whoever released it is now under investigation by the FBI … FOR ESPIONAGE !!!! … because it was done without a court order. Bring on the probe by congress !! It will backfire in their faces, because ONLY 6 PEOPLE have access to phone surveillance … and they WILL BE EXPOSED.

        About Trump colluding with Putin — “There’s a high probability that the Russians hacked the DNC” ??? High probability — really ?? OK, let’s try that next time you get accused of murder. “Well, Judge, there’s a high probability he committed the murder.” Not good enough by a long shot. Again — No proof ?? Then it’s a LIE !!

        About the P*sy Tape … HAHAHAHA !! After it came out, Trump crowds went from 10,000 to 24,000. Didn’t phase us ONE BIT !! Good luck disputing all the above. “>)

        • The Glove Cleaner

          AWWW, FAIL
          http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/03/khizr-khans-connections/

          Wow, you’re even more delusional than I thought. If Flynn was so innocent then why did he get fired, er resign? Oh right, it’s cuz Drumpf caved like a pu@@y. Mmm, let’s see, what else? Oh drumpf campaign colluding with Russia. Well, he’s been pissing off the NSA and CIA so I’m sure the actual transcripts won’t accidentally show up. LOL!

          Like I said, you’re just parroting breitbart alternative facts and announcing your putrid character with every comment. You’re rotting from the inside, just like the GOP.

          • Karen Bayer

            Actally, I don’t read Breitbart at all. Shouldn’t you ask me first what sources I have?
            Let’s start with this from the Washington Post —

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.2927034157bf

            Wapo wrote on Jan. 23rd: The FBI already listened to the recordings and “Found nothing illicit in them.” BOUUYAAHH !!

            As for Russian collusion, let’s see the evidence !! On the other hand, FORMER DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE, STEVE PIECZNICK already issued a statement on November 1, 2016, that he and other Intel agents are the ones who LEAKED the emails — they were not hacked. In other words there was a “Soft Coup” inside Intel against Clinton. HAHAHAHA. His statement is all over YouTube.

            Piecznick worked for the CIA during the Reagan / Kissinger / Clinton era. In his words … “After what we saw in the emails, we would not allow her into the White House.”

            About Flynn — According to U.S. Code 798, it’s illegal to wiretap a private citizen, subject to 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine — PER CALL. Further, only 6 Intel agents have authorization in the U.S. Govt. to wiretap. Further, the wiretaps were done without a warrant from a federal judge !!

            Hence, Obama did this ILLEGALLY and one his agents is about to be prosecuted. Further, leaking this to the press is an additional federal crime because it’s considered “Classified Information.” SO BRING ON THE CONGRESS PROBE !! CAN’T WAIT !! ONCE THE AGENTS GET PROBED THEY’LL BE SINGING LIKE CANARIES.

            But even though Flynn was a private citizen at the time of the calls, it does not matter. He had the LEGAL RIGHT to talk to his counter-part — the Russian ambassador — on behalf of the incoming president — a well-known fact.

            Therefore, only the CONTENTS of the calls is in question — to which, the FBI alread stated there was no wrong-doing in them.

            So why did he fired? I believe they sacrificed him because the couldn’t afford any distractions. Flynn got fired by Obama and the Pentagon because he refused to LIE to the American public. Obama asked him to lie, he refused and got fired by BARRY SOETORO — the biggest gangsta’ liar of all.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Wow, it’s like a waterfall of delusional gibberish.

            If Flynn lied to the FBI, it’s a FELONY.
            You’re wrong. Whether Comey brings charges (probably not) is beside the point.

            Monitoring high level Russian communications is SOP.
            So you’re long winded gibberish is wrong again.

            “Obama fired Flynn for not lying”?
            Um, care to prove that?

            Waiting…

            Meanwhile, the fascists you worship ARE lying to the American people YET AGAIN this morning. LOL!!! But lying is ok when it’s your side lying, right Ms. Putrid Character?

          • Karen Bayer

            Let’s pretend we’re in court. Here’s what you’d have to overcome:

            1) The FBI already determined there are is “no felonious content” in the calls.

            2) SOP of these calls involved a still private citizen, therefore US Code 798 applies and cannot be dismissed.

            3) The calls were then leaked to the press — another felony — because they’re considered by State to be classified.

            As you can see, it’s a viscious cycle from which you cannot escape. But keep laboring. It’s amusing.

            4) Mike Flynn was the Director of National Intelligence — and yet Obama refused to meet with him even “once” during the war. (Who does that?) Obama refused to hear Flynn’s plan to defeat Al Queda and ISIS, and was fired by Obama for beating down the White House door.

            5) Obama also refused to hear facts on the Clinton Foundation. Flynn intercepted wire transactions in the amount of $100 Million from several Arab countries. (Gee, all this time I thought it was $35 Million.)

            From the Daily Caller:

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/12/bombshell-obama-never-once-met-with-his-defense-intelligence-chief/

            Good luck disproving all the above.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Sure thing Karen, let’s have a look.

            1. Karen Bayer: “Conservative vote for jobs”

            ^^ WRONG
            http://media.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/photo/2015/04/15/presidents-jobs-gained-per-yearpng-19d704cc14d3a0a8.png

            2. Karen Bayer: “We also removed all the Islamic prayer rugs..”

            ^^ WRONG

            http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/phony-prayer-rug-story/

            3. Karen Bayer: “600 calls made by the Benghazi guys, while Clinton went home to bed at 11.”

            ^^ WRONG

            http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/06/27/democrats-benghazi-committee-report-destroys-right-wing-media-myths/211228

            4. Karen Bayer: “TRUMP has brokered over a million jobs in just two months.”

            ^^ WRONG

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/opinion/why-corporations-are-helping-donald-trump-lie-about-jobs.html?_r=0

            http://www.salon.com/2016/12/29/donald-trump-is-once-again-taking-credit-for-jobs-he-had-no-part-in-creating/

            5. Karen Bayer: “I never said conservatives create more jobs.”

            ^^ LIE

            “Here’s what you need to know about us conservatives …AND WE VOTED FOR JOBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

            6. Karen Bayer: “(Obama) lost $150 Billion to ISIS”

            ^^WRONG

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-2nd-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-that-iran-got-150-billion-from-the-united-states/?utm_term=.1da430981ed3

            7. Karen Bayer: “(Obama) lost $150 Billion to ISIS”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/20/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-says-6-billion-went-missing-state-de/

            8. Karen Bayer: “(Obama’s) birth certificate was totally taken apart using a simple PhotoShop application”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

            9. Karen Bayer: “I’m citing the $150 BILLION investment and 500,000 jobs brokered with Japan … just the other day.”

            ^^WRONG — 500,000? really? LOL, math challenged much?

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/07/a-japanese-billionaire-just-showed-companies-everywhere-how-they-might-profit-off-trump/?utm_term=.842c6442c619

            10. Karen Bayer: “Negro is not a bad word. It is the ethnic term for persons of African origin.”

            ^^^WRONG

            http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/02/76-term-negro.html

            11. Karen Bayer: “Your PC crap no longer works here.”

            ^^^ HAPPY HOLIDAYS HYPOCRITE

            12. Karen Bayer: “(Todays) Democrats started the KKK”

            ^^^ WRONG

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redeemers

            12. Karen Bayer: “I’m Pro-Israel … unlike BARRY SOETORO.”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.njdc.org/oped062315/

            https://mic.com/articles/30521/obama-israel-trip-is-obama-the-most-pro-israel-president-ever#.I2u9sD5bD

            13. Karen Bayer: “Black Lives Matter shouted “Dead Cops”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/

            14. Karen Bayer: “Khan”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/03/khizr-khans-connections/

            15. Karen Bayer: “The FBI already listened to the recordings and “Found nothing illicit in them.”

            ^^^ EXCEPT THAT PESKY FELONY OF LYING TO THEM

            16. Karen Bayer: “it’s illegal to wiretap a private citizen”

            ^^^ WRONG

            except when they are calling high level Russian officials. LOL

            17. Karen Bayer: “Obama did this ILLEGALLY and one his agents is about to be prosecuted.

            ^^^ WRONG LOL

            18. Karen Bayer: “I believe they sacrificed him because the couldn’t afford any distractions.”

            ^^^ AND YOU’D BE … WRONG AGAIN, that is if you “believe” your lying orange zit.

            http://www.npr.org/2017/02/14/515215088/white-house-press-secretary-says-trump-fired-flynn-as-national-security-adviser

            19. Karen Bayer: “Obama asked (flynn) to lie, he refused and got fired.”

            ^^^ WRONG

            http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-t-flynn-fired-from-dia-2014-4

            Well I’m a bit tired, proving so much of you gibberish false. So, let’s check the latest tally.

            Karen Bayer – 0

            Objective Truth – 19

            I’m afraid you’ll have to pray for a Drumpf court to win this one, cupcake.

          • Karen Bayer

            1) Karen Bayer: “Conservatives vote for jobs”

            THE FACT THAT YOU PRESUME TO KNOW WHY WE VOTED FOR TRUMP, IS THE REASON FOR YOUR GALACTIC, BONE-CRUNCHING, DISEMBOWELING DEFEAT ON NOV. 8TH — WHICH IS YOUR TORMENT FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS. AND FOR YOU THIS WILL BE LIKE BEING ROASTED SLOWLY IN A BBQ PIT. HAHAHAHA.

            2) Karen Bayer: “We also removed all the Islamic prayer rugs..”

            FACTCHECK.ORG WAS NEVER IN THE WHITEHOUSE, SO THEY WOULDN’T KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. HERE IS A LIST OF SEVEN OBAMA EMPLOYEES WITH PROVEN TERRORIST TIES:

            http://freedomoutpost.com/muslim-brotherhood-taken-white-house/

            MUSLIMS ARE “NOT ALLOWED” TO MISS THEIR PRAYER CALLS — 5 TIMES A DAY.
            THESE PEOPLE ALL WORKED “IN THE WHITE HOUSE” SO YES — THEY DID HAVE MUSLIM PRAYER RUGS AND PRAYER ROOMS.

            NICE TRY.

            3) Karen Bayer: “600 calls made by the Benghazi guys, while Clinton went home to bed at 11.”

            FIRST, I’LL BELIEVE THE BENGHZI GUYS WHO ACTUALLY FOUGHT THERE — NOT YOU, SINCE YOU’RE A FAT, USELESS MOUND OF LARD, WHO’D COLLAPSE IN COMBAT IN LESS THAN A MINUTE.

            SECOND, THE 600 CALLS FOR HELP ARE CLEARLY CITED IN THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE BENGHAZI HEARINGS. HERE ARE EXCERPTS FROM CNS NEWS. CONGRESS COUNTED 600 CALLS FOR HELP.

            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/more-600-benghazi-security-requests-never-reached-clintons-desk-reports

            4) Karen Bayer: “TRUMP has brokered over a million jobs in just two months.”

            HERE ARE THE JOBS HE BROKERED “AFTER” NOVEMBER 8TH, WHICH ARE IRREFUTABLE.

            FROM MAINSTREAM NEWS AGENCIES:

            REUTERS: JAPAN TO INVEST 700,000 JOBS / $150 BLN INVESTMENT.

            WALL STREET JOURNAL: SOFTBANK JAPAN / 50,000 JOBS / $50 BLN INVESTMENT

            BLOOMBERG: APPLE–FOXCONN / 50,000 JOBS / $7 BLN INVESTMENT / TO OPEN IN DETROIT.

            BLOOMBERG: IBM / 25,000 JOBS / $ 1 BLN INVESTMENT

            U.S. GOV: PIPELINE / 10,000 JOBS

            U.S. GOV: COAL INDUSTRY / 50,000 JOBS

            CLEAN TECHNICA / U.S. GOV: 198,000 JOBS / CLEAN ENERGY INDUSTRY

            L.A. TIMES: SPRINT 5,000 JOBS

            ONEWEB 3,000 JOBS

            FORTUNE: FIAT–CHRYSLER / 2,000 JOBS / $1 BLN INVESTMENT

            CARRIER A/C: 800 JOBS

            TOTAL: 1.2 MILLION JOBS

            NOT TO MENTION ADMIN. ASSISTANTS / TRUCKERS / SHIPPERS-PACKERS / ACCOUNTANTS & OTHER SUPPORT STAFF.

            FURTHER, ALL THE JOBS YOU “THINK” WERE ALREADY IN PLAY WERE NOT ANNOUNCED UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION — BECAUSE THEY ALL WAITED TO SEE WHO WOULD WIN.

            5) Karen Bayer: “I never said conservatives create more jobs.”

            THAT’S RIGHT. I SAID … “TRUMP CREATES MORE JOBS.” Daahhh !!

            6) Karen Bayer: “(Obama) lost $150 Billion to ISIS”

            FROM THE NY TIMES:

            “ARMS SENT BY U.S. FELL INTO ISLAMIST HANDS”

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

            FROM THE NY TIMES — “OBAMA’S ILLEGAL WAR IN LIBYA”

            HAHAHAHA !!! NICE TRY !!!

            7) Karen Bayer: “$6 billion went missing at State Department under Clinton”

            POLITIFACT FAILED TO MENTION “THE MISSING RECEIPTS”. I WROTE THEM AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT 5 MONTHS AGO, AND OF COURSE, THEY NEVER REPLIED.

            THEIR ARTICLE STATES THAT THE MISSING $6 BILLION IS A SIMPLE MATTER OF “MISPLACED RECEIPTS.”

            BUT EVERYONE KNOWS — THE BEST WAY TO HIDE MISSING MONEY IS TO DESTROY THE RECEIPTS AND FUDGE THE NUMBERS !! FURTHER, THE MONEY MISSING DURING LYBIA.

            WITHOUT RECEIPTS … AIN’T NO TELLIN’ WHERE THE MONEY WENT. YOU HAVE NOT PROVED YOUR CASE HERE.

            8) Karen Bayer: “(Obama’s) birth certificate was totally taken apart using a simple PhotoShop application”

            GO TO YOUTUBE AND WATCH “LIVE ONLINE DEMONSTRATIONS.” EVERY WORD AND NUMBER ON OBAMA’S CERTIFICATE WAS MOVED AROUND AND TAKEN APART BY USING PHOTOSHOP — WHICH WAS NOT POSSIBLE WHEN “REAL” CERTIFICATES WERE UPLOADED.

            FURTHER, IN 1962 BLACKS WERE NOT LISTED AS AFRICAN AMERICAN ON CERTIFICATES. THEY WERE LISTED AS “NEGROE.”

            FURTHER, HIS FATHER IS LISTED ON THE CERT. AS BORN IN KENYA.

            HOWEVER, IN 1962 KENYA WAS NOT “KENYA.” IT WAS OFFICIALLY CALLED THE:

            “BRITISH PROTECTORATE OF KENYA” — ON ALL BIRTH CERTIFICATES.

            CONCLUSION: THE DOCUMENT IS A CLEAR FORGERY.

            (DRIVES YOU CRAZY — RIGHT???)

            9) Karen Bayer: “I’m citing the $150 BILLION investment and 500,000 jobs brokered with Japan … just the other day.”

            SEE MY ANSWER ABOVE.

            10) Karen Bayer: “Negro is not a bad word. It is the ethnic term for persons of African origin.

            I’M GLAD MY REMARK PUNCHED YOU IN THE FACE. IT WAS MEANT AS AN ACCUSATION AGAINST OBAMA — WHOSE VACATIONS COST TAX-PAYERS $85 MILLION — WHILE HAVING NEVER DONE “ONE THING” FOR BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY!!

            FURTHER, DETROIT HAD NO DRINKING WATER FOR 3 YEARS — MOST OF THEM BLACK — AND AGAIN HE DID NOTHING!!!

            11) Karen Bayer: “Your PC crap no longer works here.”

            FIRST CORRECT THING YOU’VE SAID ALL DAY.

            12) Karen Bayer: “(Todays) Democrats started the KKK”

            I NEVER WROTE THAT “TODAY’S” DEMS STARTED THE KKK — OR BROUGHT IN SLAVES. THE ONES OF PRIOR CENTURIES DID. NEVERTHELESS, IT’S INTERESTIING TO NOTE THE BLOOD-LUST OF YOUR PARTY — HECK, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE VATICAN DURING THE DARK AGES.

            13) Karen Bayer: “I’m Pro-Israel … unlike BARRY SOETORO.”

            WHATEVER SOCIAL PLEASANTRIES BARRY SOETORO EXTENDED TO THE ISRAELIS DURING HIS TERM, WERE TOTALLY OBLITERATED WITH HIS LAST BLOW TO ISRAEL. ALL ELSE PRIOR TO THAT IS AS MEANINGLESS AS SOILED TOILET PAPER.

            14) Karen Bayer: “Black Lives Matter shouted “Dead Cops”

            SO NOW, YOU’RE GONNA TELL ME WHAT I DID OR DIDN’T SEE ON MY OWN TV?

            https://youtu.be/y0Yq1iZjSpY

            15) Karen Bayer: “Khan”

            FACT: KHIZR KHAN’S LAW FIRM HANDLED “VISAS” TO RICH ARABS “ONLY.”

            FACT: HE WROTE THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE “BOUND” TO EVERYTHING THE QURAN SAYS.

            EG: QURAN 5.33 — “ALL WHO OPPOSE ALLAH, BUT OFF THEIR HEAD, HANDS & FEET.”

            FROM THE DAILY CALLER: AN EXCERPT FROM KHAN’S JOURNAL:

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/01/khizr-khan-has-previously-written-extensively-on-sharia-law/

            FACT: HE WROTE … “ALL OTHER JURIDICAL WORKS MUST BE SUBORDINATED TO SHARIA LAW” —

            AND THAT INCLUDES THE U.S. CONSTITUTION — WHICH HE PULLED OUT OF HIS LITTLE POCKET AND WAGGED AT AMERICAN CITIZENS.

            HE RECEIVED SEVERAL OPEN LETTERS ABOUT THAT ONLINE FROM U.S. MILITARY MEN.

            HAHAHA !! CLINTON NEVER DREAMED WE’D FIND OUT ABOUT HER FINGER-WAGGING MUSLIM — RIGHT ???

            16) Karen Bayer: “The FBI already listened to the recordings and “Found nothing illicit in them.”

            HOW CAN A RECORDING LIE? IF HE LIED, THEY’D HAVE CAUGHT HIM IN A LIE. BUT THEY FOUND NOTHING. HENCE, HE DIDN’T LIE.

            17) Karen Bayer: “it’s illegal to wiretap a private citizen”

            WRONG. AS SOON AS THE AGENTS KNEW THAT A PRIVATE CITIZEN WAS INVOLVED, PROTOCOL IS TO OBTAIN A WARRANT FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE, WHICH THEY FAILED TO DO.

            THEN, RELEASING THE TRANSCRIPT AND/OR RECORDING TO THE PRESS INVOLVING THE PRIVATE CITIZEN, MEANS ADDED FELONY CHARGES.

            NICE TRY.

            18) Karen Bayer: “Obama did this ILLEGALLY and one his agents is about to be prosecuted.

            SEE MY REPLY ABOVE. A SEARCH WAS DONE FOR “THE WARRANT” AND NONE WAS NEVER FILED.

            19) Karen Bayer: “I believe they sacrificed him because the couldn’t afford any distractions.”

            AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT. SINCE THIS ITEM IS SUBJECTIVE, THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT “AN OPINION” … OH WAIT … I FORGOT …

            YOU COULD PEPPER-SPRAY ME … SMASH SHOP WINDOWS AND/OR BURN A LIMOUSINE … OWNED BY A MUSLIM IMMIGRANT.

            20) Karen Bayer: “Obama asked (flynn) to lie, he refused and got fired.”

            OBAMA APPOINTED FLYNN AS DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE. AND YET, HE REFUSED TO MEET WITH FLYNN “EVEN ONCE” TO DISCUSS HOW TO DEFEAT ISIS. (WHO DOES THAT? AND WHY ????)

            FLYNN TOLD IT LIKE IT IS ABOUT “EXTREMIST ISLAMIC TERRORISTS” – AND OBAMA COULDN’T STAND IT. SO HE WAS TERMINATED.

            FROM THE DAILY CALLER:

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/12/bombshell-obama-never-once-met-with-his-defense-intelligence-chief/
            __________________________________________________

            TIRED ALREADY??? I GUESS YOU HAVE THE “STAMINA” OF HILLARY CLINTON WHO GOT THROWN INTO A TRUCK LIKE A SLAB OF BEEF.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Oh dear, your citing an “The Muslim Brotherhood Has Taken Over the White House” article from the “Freedom Outpost” as objective fact.

            I’m clearly out of my depth here… and I mean that LITERALLY.

            MEANWHILE, Trump’s implosion keeps steaming ahead…

            “Donald Trump Calls The Media ‘The Enemy Of The American People’”

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-media-tweet_us_58a76de7e4b037d17d27cab9?

            Hey, before you delete your profile in shame when Trump resigns or is taken to prison, just remember…. I’m LAUGHING MY ASS OFF AT YOU…. and in all caps. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Karen Bayer

            Hahahaha. Why would I delete my profile??? And miss our little chats???

            Hey … I can’t help it if the Muslim Bros. “got hired” by the White House. How is that my fault?

            “Donald Trump Calls The Media ‘The Enemy of The American People” ???

            You say that like it’s a bad thing. Have a good day.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Karen Bayer: “the Muslim Bros. “got hired” by the White House.”

            WRONG AGAIN
            Unless you can prove it with an objective fact. Which would really be something considering you haven’t provided even a single objective fact in all of you whacky rantings. Best of luck
            xD

          • Karen Bayer

            Honeychild — if we were in court right now — you lost your case over and over.

            About the Muslim White House employees —

            All you have to do is click on all the names in the article and —

            THEIR NAMES & WHITE HOUSE POSITIONS COME RIGHT UP !!

            Really surprised you don’t know this.

            Click on this — http://freedomoutpost.com/muslim-brotherhood-taken-white-house/

            Then read the background on each of them.

          • The Glove Cleaner
          • Karen Bayer

            Yep, sure is a conservative one. We monitored very closely the FILTH Barry Soetoro brought into “Our” White House.

            Neverless — the “names” in the article can be clicked on, which takes you straight to their White House Employy Listing — showing their names and positions — which proved what I said —

            MUSLIMS WHERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE — And Muslims are not all owed to skip their 5-times a day prayer thing.

            You lose again. (I’m getting tired of winning.)

            And by the way — Barry Soetoro had close, intimate, French-kissing ties with CAIR as well (the American Muslim civil rights organization) …

            SEVEN (7) OF WHOM WERE KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY

            BY THE DEPT., OF JUSTICE FOR —

            TERRORIST TIES !!!

            HAHAHAHAHA !!! Shocked the shit outa’ Barry !!

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Aw, but for something to actually be true in our world, it need to be corroborated by at least one “objective” source. Which means…. wait for it…. you are WRONG.

            If your claim is true, then you’ll have no problem finding an actual OBJECTIVE source. Unless, of course, you can’t or you’re too lazy or you’d rather cry victory in the face of defeat (0 for 22 now).

            I’ll wait for your proof. LOL 😀

          • Karen Bayer

            The official White House online announcements are all you need. Your turn to disprove.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Sorry, I missed your link to anything remotely resembling a shred of proof.

            Karen Bayer, all talk no substance.

            LMFAOOO!!

          • Karen Bayer

            Karen:

            County records show that “Karen” is the authorized counsel of record for the prosecution, as evidenced by these exchanges of the past week. Further, the prosecution has submitted all relevant exhibits, but counsel for the defense refuses to acknowledge said exhibits, which is indicative of their client, Hillary Clinton. Move to disbar counsel for the defense.

            Judge:

            Motion granted.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Still got nothing eh?

            No surprise

          • Karen Bayer

            Still no refuting evidence? No surprise.

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Your single fake news site is not evidence.

            If you think you have a fact, then back it up with multiple objective citations.

            Obviously you can’t. You have yet to prove even one of your delusional claims Karen. Now is your chance, put your money where your BIG mouth is.

          • Karen Bayer

            So, Jeffrey E. Phillips … still selling Viagra “dick pills” ??

            (Strike that. No biggy.)

          • The Glove Cleaner

            STILL nothing eh?

            So much for Karen’s facts.
            LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Karen Bayer

            Nope. Gave you plenty to research. Get to work!

          • The Glove Cleaner

            Yawn

    • Triuwida

      There’s probably more to Trump’s action than meets the eye. I wouldn’t waste any energy on being mad at the man.

  • Donald Suther

    The moment i read the main media article i did a search for ‘Flynn anti semite’.
    Why?
    Because it was obvious.
    Not obvious that he was an anti – semite. He fought against Nazi ideals that define anti semitism.
    Obvious he was against the Jews’ mass murders of the past and hence a threat to the Jew’s lebesraum in Palestine.
    I wouldnt align him with neo nazis
    I would align him as a man who would stand against any and all forms of lebenraum , its promotion and propaganda irrespective of who the perpetrators are.
    Hence an obvious enemy of all Jew media and millions of American Jews the biggest promoters whitewashers and deniars of the lebensraum in Palestine.
    Lets be clear: killing and terrorizing people to take their homes and land is lebensraum.
    And no military on this earth likes lebensraum or lebensraumists be they Nazis or Jews.
    So Flynn in the end is better off resigning as are those who oppose lebensraum as he is now free to join their ranks and oppose it fully without any pro lebensraum government constraints.
    14-0 + Flynn.
    A good man to have on our side.
    Free Palestine!

  • Gleimhart Mantooso

    Score 1 point for the DeepState™.

  • Halford Mackinder

    Its been a little over 24 and Trump’s foreign policy is in ruins. Trump is tweeting that Russia invaded Crimea. Next Trump will be saying “Assad must go” and if/when that happens, we’ll know Trump has been neutered.

  • Abcdedcba

    I’m certainly no fan of Pence but I can’t endorse the idea of keeping secrets from the VP. The president and the veep should see eye to eye on every major issue.

    The incompatibility of Trump with Pence was evident even before Pence was selected, but perhaps it may have been unavoidable. In any event, this was a disastrous event all around.