A failed attempt to cast a white man as the Persian poet Rumi highlights the anti-white establishment’s campaign to erase Iran’s heritage as the world’s greatest “Aryan Imperium”, and to derail the Persian people’s path to becoming the white world’s most reliable geopolitical ally in the very near future.

This summer David Franzoni, the screenwriter of Gladiator, announced that he wants to cast Leonardo DiCaprio in the role of Rumi in an upcoming bio-pic about the medieval Persian poet. Franzoni has also suggested casting Robert Downey Jr. in the role of Rumi’s mentor and dear friend, Shams of Tabriz. White liberals, ‘people of color’ and others partial to de-colonial theory are at it again claiming that white people have misappropriated something – or in this case, someone – of their own. Hurling accusations of “whitewashing” at Franzoni and Hollywood, they began trending the hashtag #RumiWasntWhite and successfully intimated DeCaprio out of accepting the role.

In fact, Rumi was white. He was an ethnic Persian who wrote the vast majority of his world-renowned poetry in his native language. The Persians are the cultural-historically dominant subgroup of the ethnic and linguistic grouping of Iranian peoples, which also includes the native peoples of the Caucasus region (especially in Azerbaijan and Ossetia), the Kurds, Pashtuns, and Balochis among others. The so-called ‘Tajiks’ of Central Asia (present-day northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and part of Uzbekistan) are simply Persians who have been given another name by 19th century British and Russian colonialists who schemed to colonize this area of Iran.

It is not just any area either. Known as “Khorasan” or sunrise land in Persian, this is where the majority of native Persian scientists and poets of the so-called ‘Islamic Golden Age’ hailed from. It is also Rumi’s birthplace. Stan means province in Persian. Afghanistan and the rest of the stans in that region are totally artificial nation-states, which is partly why they are so dysfunctional. The Persian spoken in the stans is referred to as “Dari” (Parsie Darbari or “Tajiki”) because it was the courtly (Darbari) language of the Crown (Taj).

The Persians and other Iranians never called their realm “the Persian Empire” or referred to their country as “Persia.” This was an ancient Greek designation that caught on in the West. When, in 1935, Reza Shah Pahlavi asked Westerners to refer to his country by its proper name he meant to remind the West that “Iran” is shorthand for Iran Shahr, a middle Persian form of the ancient Persian Aryana Khashatra or “Aryan Imperium.” To this day, many natives of the part of Khorasan that Rumi hails from refer to their land as Aryana. The first recorded usage of the term “Aryan” is in the rock carved inscriptions of ancient Persian Emperors such as Darius and Xerxes, who used to sign their decrees: “I am a Persian, son of a Persian… an Aryan of Aryan lineage.”

These men were white and they established the most tolerant, humanitarian, and constructive form of government in pre-modern times, which at its zenith counted nearly 1 out of every 2 people on Earth among its subjects. I am not even counting the realms governed by Scythians and Sarmatians, northern Iranian tribes who refused the Empire, and rode freely in an area from the Ukraine to the Gobi. Their warrior women became the basis for Greek legends about the Amazons. The Persians and their northern cousins were phenotypically identical to modern Europeans, having all descended – ethnically and linguistically – from the same Indo-European or Caucasian community of prehistory.

It is only beginning with the catastrophic Arab invasion of Iran Shahr in the 7th century AD that Iran’s ethnic composition began to be forcibly altered. (The Hellenistic colonization of the Persian Empire did not have this effect, since the Greeks were fellow Aryans.) Consistent with their messenger’s mandate in the Quran, after burning libraries, mutilating art, and massacring urban populations, these half-savage desert tribesmen took to enslaving and selling Persian women at public markets. Two centuries of Persian insurgency, especially in the Azerbaijan and Mazandaran regions, ended in defeat. The Zoroastrian mystics who led this Khorramdinan (“those of the Joyous Religion”) insurgency – a continuation of ancient Persia’s Mazdakite sect – donned the cloak of Islam in order to survive. They were badly persecuted nonetheless, since the idea of esoteric (Bateni) interpretation (Zand) is declared heresy by the Quran itself – which insists that its legal injunctions are clear, perfect, and unalterable. These Batenis or Zandiqs were the nucleus of the Sufi movement whose epitomizing voice Rumi eventually becomes.

When he was born in 1207, Khorasan was still ethnically white. Some of the region’s illustrious scientists were forced to pen their treatises in Arabic, rather than in their native Persian, because their research was being commissioned by Arabs (who at first just tried to wipe out Persian science). However, Persian remained the language of poetry and the Persian poets of Khorasan, especially Ferdowsi, actually saved the Iranian national identity by maintaining the linguistic structure that enfolded an Aryan modality of thought within itself, and by fostering the kind of living tradition of ancient Indo-European lore that we see in the Shahnameh. The poets, and even the Iranian scientists forced to write in Arabic, effected a Persian Renaissance of sorts that both inspired and reinforced regional revolts that came to the brink of liberating large parts of Iran from the Arab Caliphate by the 11th century AD.

Then the Turks and Mongols poured in from Asia in the 12th and 13th centuries, respectively. During Rumi’s adolescence, the Mongol hordes rushed into Khorasan forcing his family to flee from Balkh in 1219 and head westwards across Iran, moving each time the Mongols advanced further. Entire cities were razed. Ultimately the Mongols would be responsible for a genocide of half – yes, half – of the Iranian population. The half that survived was subjected to plunder, rape, and forced miscegenation. Rumi ultimately wound up in Anatolia, which is where Mowlana Jalaluddin Balkhi picked up his nickname. Rum (pronounced Roum) is the Persian name for “Rome”, including the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium – so Rumi means “the Roman”. Konya, where Rumi settled, was hardly Turkish when he arrived there.

Easternmost Anatolia, the home of the Kurds, has always been ethnically and linguistically Iranian. This region, and the more central part of Anatolia in which Rumi’s family settled, had only been conquered by the Seljuq Turks (which the Ottomans broke off of later on) for a little over a century. It was a conquest as bloodthirsty as the Mongol one (in fact, the Turks and Mongols are ethnically related), the most catastrophic consequence of which was the miscegenation of the population of Azerbaijan – itself a Turkicized appellation for Azar Padegan or “Fire Stronghold”, that province of Iran in the Caucasus mountains that was thought to be the birthplace of Zarathustra (one reason why the insurgency against the Arab-Muslims was based there). From Baku to Tabriz, Azerbaijan was demographically white and it took centuries of Seljuq Turkish occupation to change this before Iranians re-conquered the area. So there is no reason whatsoever to think that Shams, the mentor from Tabriz that Rumi met in 1244, was other than a white man. He was certainly a native Persian speaker, and a newly arrived Seljuq Turk in Azerbaijan in those days would have spoken Turkish.

The worst thing about the Turkish and Mongol invasions was not that they represented a second wave of miscegenation in a white nation already under Arab occupation, it is that both of these Asian conquerors adopted an orthodox form of Islam. Largely nomadic and illiterate tribes, unlike the highly-civilized Persians, the Mongols and Mongoloid Turks felt at home in the worldview of the Quran. One wonders how Rumi’s mystical philosophy would have taken shape had he grown up in an Iran where the Persian Renaissance of the generation before him were to have continued. Iranians say, Masnavié Mowlavi ast Qorân be zabâné Pahlavi, meaning “the Mathnawi of Rumi is the Quran in Pahlavi.” The term Pahlavi refers to the middle Persian language of Pre-Islamic Iran, so that the saying suggests Rumi made out of Islam something tolerable to the Persian ethos. Of course, as I suggested above, Rumi only represents the culmination of this process, which I would describe as a kind of Sufi Stockholm Syndrome. A brutally colonized and terrorized population of ‘very understanding’ white folks come to identify with their hostage taker and begin to make excuses for him that are so good that he would never have been able to dream them up himself. So if there is any whitewashing going on, it is Rumi who whitewashed Islam.

Some of the less vile people who have jumped on the #rumiwasntwhite bandwagon have tried to say that his ethnicity really does not matter, since his message is for all mankind. The fact is that a “message for all mankind” (women included) is an Aryan idea in the first place, and a specifically Persian one at that. Ancient Greek writers and thinkers, like Herodotus and Xenophon, who lived under the Persian Empire knew that the opposition to slavery, religious tolerance, a humanitarian concern for the welfare of all peoples, and a Cosmopolitan openness to learning from other cultures were Persian ideals. They were grounded in the worship of Wisdom preached by Zarathustra and became state policy under Cyrus and Darius. This tradition survived the vicissitudes of centuries of history, influencing Roman Europe through Mithraism and guiding the statecraft of Khosrow Anoushiravan – one of the late great Persian Emperors in the century before the Arab-Muslim Conquest of Iran. There is an agenda to erasing this heritage: it allows de-colonial theorists to claim that only non-white people can be colonized, and to demonize white colonialism by excluding the benevolent Persian Empire from the history of the white world. Iran’s glorious history – that of Rumi’s folk – puts the lie to their claim that Caucasian superiority in science, technology, and the arts always came at the expense of exploited non-white peoples.

Despite Rumi’s best efforts to whitewash Islam, anyone who has seriously studied Islamic scripture and law knows – as he should have – that this is apostasy: “Love’s creed is separate from all religions: the creed and denomination of Lovers is God.” “Love’s valley is beyond all religions and cults… here there is no room for religions or cults.” What these verses sound like are the teachings of the Nizari Ismailis, better known as the Order of the Assassins, who actually did and still do claim that Rumi was secretly a preserver of their movement. The Nizaris adopted Persian as their liturgical language. They were the Sufis who remained truest to the Khorramdin teachings after the failed insurgency against the Arab invasion. In fact, they renewed the insurgency by waging a winning war against the Caliphate – until the Turks and Mongols descended on Iran.

#RumiWasWhite and so were all Persians and other Iranians before being colonized, genocided, raped, and plundered by Semitic Arabs and Asiatic Mongols and Turks – half-savage peoples who parasitically appropriated the greatness of Iranian (i.e. Aryan) Civilization in the name of Islam. Even today, there is no place on Earth where the discourse of Aryan identity is more outspoken and influential than within the Iranian opposition to the Islamic Republic. On October 29th, 2016 more than a million Iranians gathered at the tomb of Cyrus the Great to revere him on the day that commemorates his founding of the Persian Empire, and to chant anti-regime slogans that included: “Our Aryan Cyrus, your honor is our honor!” “We are Aryans, we don’t worship Arabs!” This nation, 70% under the age of 30, will soon become the white world’s staunchest ally and the linchpin in a new Indo-European alliance of global scope that secures white interests.

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Simon Ström
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It’s horseshit, sorry. Iranians have 15-20% European DNA and that hasn’t changed since the Iron Age. We have hard data on this.

MicheleP59
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Bunch of crazy people obsessed with a scientifically meaningless concept of race. We all are members of the same species, except that developed various phenotype because of long term biological adaptation. If you want to talk about culture and ethnicity, those are totally different maters which are much more important to consider than race. The concept of race was constructed and used by Colonial powers to justify their supposedly superior position

R. Arandas
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Yes, especially if you consider the possibility of reincarnation, and that humans may have lived hundreds of lifetimes under many different races and ethnicities.

Sosa Laforge
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great article by Dr Jorjani. very-well written.

John de Nugent
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I accept the premise that Iran was once far whiter than it is now, and find this article excellent. There is plenty of evidence that the ancient Near and Middle East was once far whiter before the genetic catastrophe of the Arabic conquest. Just look at depictions of blond Libyans on ancient Egyptian temples! And as an active WN for 38 years who is now 62 years old, l have SEEN whites turn much darker just in my lifetime. In 1900, a study showed that half of all Americans (89% white) had blue eyes, and today, it is about 20%.… Read more »
Cam
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Seems like that more and more Americans will begin to question the veracity of the Israel narrative as they begin to find alternatives. Hopefully that’s not just wishful thinking.

Jack Burton
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As you mentioned, the name Rumi means Roman. So he was likely at least partially white in the Western sense. He was certainly Caucasoid and probably not of the typical phenotype of today’s Persians.

Hollywood has always “white-washed” or more accurately “Nordic-washed” their movies. They like to use the North Euro aesthetic to sell tickets. They often use North Euro actors for Greeks and Romans who were in reality a lot shorter, swarthier and uglier.

Jason Rogers
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absolutely fascinating article. never really thought about the connection in quite this way.

TablesTurn
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What a clever fool.

Lawrence Murray
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Today I learned there is a Persian Internet Defense Force

temir aksak
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Persian mentality is close to that of the Greeks, Italians, Spanish, French and even German Strong feeling of hierarchy which seems less marked in the Semites and Turks.

R. Arandas
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The ancient Persians never really adopted any particular policy of racial supremacy though, theirs was a very cosmopolitan and multi-confessional society, with tremendous cultural diffusion with both the West and the East…it was the Germans who came up with that ideology after their fascination with Indo-Iranian culture.

MylesStandish
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What does this “alt-right” have to do with the historical American nation? The NRx fad was clearly and openly against all that is dear to an American nationalist; the entire thrust of moldbuggery is violently opposed to protestantism, libertarianism, and Anglo-Saxonism, all essential qualities of the real American. Then there are the greasy, clearly foreign girl-haters who fancy themselves Casanovas – these guys are “alt-right”. And of course the “Twinks for Trump”, that’s pretty alternative. There was that “patriotic American Trump supporter/Nazi larper” at TRS who turned out to be a swarthy, obese jew with an unpronounceable last name. And… Read more »
Abu Al Muzaffar
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. By the way, the egyptian scholar ibn al haytham (9th century), father of optics is the one responsible for modern day scientific methodology and is arguably the most famous amongt the scholars from islamic golden age. So contrary to your ignorant belief, the Persians are not the author of the “so called islamic golden age” The Persians were invaded its true, just like Cyrus invaded Assyria who are ethnically semites. The persians invaded the lands of the semite (jordan lebanon syria northern arabia) 900 years BC and Cyrus unified their lands in thr 6th century BC. They wrote the… Read more »
silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

I really have to say that after seeing this ridiculous article posted by the utterly ridiculous Jorjani, I’m glad Richard Spencer got thumped in the head by that antifa – hopefully it knocked some sense into him.

Marshall Lentini
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it’s vitally important for rumi to have been white bro
cause anything not white is ipso facto wogjew and i’m not allowed to like it

Helga Baumgardner
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I bought your book, Prometheus and Atlas. You are scary smart.

Crud Bonemeal
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Israel’s message to Iran be like “You have a proud history. You have a rich culture. Tragically, you are shackled by a theocratic tyranny” Associated Press, Jan 21, 1:31 PM Israeli leader to Iran: “We are your friend, not your enemy” So, the idea is that Iran just needs regime change and they can be just like the West; IE: embracing consumerism, globalism, dysgenics and passive nihilism I don’t want to sign on to Israel’s message. The Alt-Right’s message to Iran should be “You guys do your thing, over there in Iran, and we’ll do our thing over here… separately,… Read more »
Dr ExCathedra
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The root of Whiteness –which is a synonym for European– lies in Greece. Not Persia. The ancient non-White Caucasian civilizations, Persia and North India, were indeed great. But this is not 1000BC. Whatever their current beliefs, the descendants of the native peoples of European Christendom –Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant nations– are the Whites. All Whites are Caucasian, but not all Caucasians are White. (Especially, no matter how regrettably, Muslim peoples: Christendom and Islam are defined by their enmity.)

Dillon Francis
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Islam is not a race.
And Greece is not the Aryan homeland. The Armenian Highlands are. At least two theories support this of the original home of the IE aka Aryan peoples.

John Q. Whiteman
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There are virtually no negroes in Iran because most of the ones who were there during the Ottoman period were harem eunuchs.

asmoday20
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Are we suprised by an anti-white, historically inaccurate hashtag? Accuracy doesn’t support their aim to disenfranchise us from our heritage and inheritance so why are we always hung up on slights and instances?

Ignore them and plow forward. This crap is all distractions.

James Futurist
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Uh. I think if you’re going to try to meme Iranians into being white you’re gonna have a bad time.

Bantz Henriksen
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I’ve seen Persians way more white-looking than some Italians, but Islam still disqualifies them. Ethnic Iranians who are untainted by Semitic mixture should be taken on a case by case basis. The problem is, if we start floating this idea of being okay with “Iranians” in general– when what we really mean are those who are still European-looking and are not Muslims– we will run into immediate problems with rapefugees and other filth, many of whom hail from Iran. We are white European peoples, our destiny may be joined with some tiny percentage of Iranians who remember their heritage and… Read more »
Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
Yes you’re right Islam disqualifies Iranians just as Christianism (which is a Semitic religion) should disqualifies the Europeans. Until both of us do not reject these foreign ideologies and embrace again our own Indo-European paganisms, we are both in a mental prison. There is a huge interest among Iranians since the islamic revolution for the religion of their forefathers, ie Zoroastrianism. Even if the Zoroastrian-born people in Iran are a tiny minority, we know that 80% of the Iranian population vomit islam and are Crypto-Zoroastrians. Are 80% of the Europeans Crypto-Odinists or Crypto-Olympians? Second, don’t worry, we don’t want to… Read more »
Bantz Henriksen
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Probably the biggest difficulty with bringing back Zoroastrianism in Iran is that, as far as I recall, Zoroastrians do not proselytize. They might be a bit assholish to Iranians and accuse them of LARPing.

But I’d be happy to see Iranians abroad moving back to Iran, going through a rebirth of their ancestral religion and culture.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti

Zoroastrians are not proselyte in Iran. But when they live in a free country, the Zoroastrians* accept their fellow Iranians ex-msulims to embrace the religion of their ancestors.
* The Zoroastrians of India do not accept to convert (even Iranians) for reasons belonging to their own particular history.

R. Arandas
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Then that is a great pity, in my opinion. Refusing conversion surely cannot be beneficial to their faith’s future, nor was it likely the intent of the original founder.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti

You did not read me well. We accept to convert but only in a free countries. In Iran, leaving islam (apostasy) is a crime and the sentence is death!

asmoday20
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This right here. Until we get a concrete definition of who’s “in” and who’s “not” the rug’s being pulled out from under us.
I’m not advocating for Iranians of any stripe. I’m advocating for us not to get hung up on minutia.
Playing the sons of Muhammad against the sons of Cyrus means they are less a problem for us. We have enough problems.

Joe Putnam
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This was an interesting little piece. While I was aware of the Iranian origin of the word Aryan, I had never read much on ancient Persia. I do not believe that I have met an Iranian. Iran would appear to genetically closer to Europe than the Arabs -especially in the past. As a man of western European descent, I intend to keep most of my research to my own people group, but might check out some literature on the ancient Iranians some day.
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Imminent Chimp
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Ridley Scott directed Gladiator…from a quick scan of the comments, everybody already seems aware that modern Iran isn’t white, nor an ally.

America is Kiked
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RUBBISH:

“The so-called ‘Tajiks’ of Central Asia (present-day northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and part of Uzbekistan) are simply Persians who have been given another name by 19th century British and Russian colonialists who schemed to colonize this area of Iran.”

“Afghanistan and the rest of the stans in that region are totally artificial nation-states”

The name “Tajik” has been used to describe Sunni Persians of that region for a millennium. Tajikistan was Bokhara and Kokandian territory before it came under glorious Russian rule. They have never been any part of the “totally artificial nation-state” called The Islamic Republic of Iran.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
This “Rumi issue” started when a disgusting bitch opened her dirty mouth full of shit: https://www.facebook.com/followzarathushtra/posts/1535186116522195 Paid by saudi or qatari “princes” for sex and her tongue, this White woman prostitute defends the islamist cause! The one who wants to separate people based on their skin colour is this fake arab bitch, fake because she is as white as Leonardo Dicaprio, she uses make-up to be tanned and to play the arab who defends the islamist cause. She is a pure racist, there was no skin colour issue about Dicaprio plaing Rumi until this whore opens her dirty mouth full… Read more »
silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

Good God. If your alt right site ever attracts positive attention from someone named “Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshi” it’s a sure sign you’re doing something wrong.

Simon Ström
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“Kurds, Persians, Lurs, Afghans (Tajiks, Pashtuns …) … are all Iranic peoples therefore they belong to the Indo-European World, therefore they are “White” even if we have tanned people (due to genetic adaptations to the sunnier lands of Greater Iran compared to the colder lands from where our ancestors came from – ie Kurgan Culture/Eurasian Steppe -).” Iranic peoples are brown because they mostly descend from autochthonous populations rather than Aryan conquerors. “I used the word White because it’s the way the Westerners call themselves, and also how the anti-Westerner racists call the Europeans and their descendants in North America,… Read more »
Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
Aryans allied and mixed with the endogenous civilization of Iran ie the Elamites (who were not Semites) and this alliance produced our particular identity, the nomadic Aryans brought their military skills and the Elamites brought their knowledge and skills of agriculture and city-administration. This mixing produced the Medes and Persians who kicked the ass of the Semitic Assyrian empire who reigned with terror on Mesopotamia. And you are wrong by saying that the Aryans were an oligarchy who reigned on the endogenous Iranians, because the influx of Aryans migrating and settling in Greater Iran ended to bring a majority of… Read more »
Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
Aryans allied and mixed with the endogenous civilization of Iran ie the Elamites (who were not Semites) and this alliance produced our particular identity, the nomadic Aryans brought their military skills and the Elamites brought their knowledge and skills of agriculture and city-administration. This mixing produced the Medes and Persians who kicked the ass of the Semitic Assyrian empire who reigned with terror on Mesopotamia. And you are wrong by saying that the Aryans were an oligarchy who reigned on the endogenous Iranians. Because the influx of Aryans ended to bring a majority of Aryans in Iran, therefore, the Elamite… Read more »
Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
Genetics studies demonstrated that Modern Iranians do not have significant Semitic or Turk DNA in their population (except the Semitic minorities of Iran: Persian Jews, Christian Iranian-Assyrians and muslim arabs, and the Turk minorities of Iran such as the Turkmens and Qashqai people who live in Iran far before the Turko-Mongol invasions), therefore, despite all the invasions, Iranians are still closer to the Europeans than to the Arabs or Turks. The reason is that the Arabs invaders were and are still racist tribalist (they don’t marry with foreign ethnicities), therefore they raped women of conquered lands and the women were… Read more »
WR_the_realist
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Why I like the alt right — I’d never see an article like this in National Review.

Adolphin ++
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Who cares about Indo/Middle-eastern cultures? We already had our own civilization in Europe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

MisatoKatsuragi
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don’t drink the Flavor-Aid

JohnK
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This seems a bit far fetched.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Piers Morgan is becoming Red Pilled. He’ll be an NRA member in a few months at this rate.comment image

jsigur
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anyone can sound red pilled on a specific occasion. Also, he may have been red pilled all along and part of the NWO takeover elite which seems most likely. Always determine whose side an sset is really on. When they do things that don’t make sense, ask why. THis does require mch critical hinking to challenge orthodoxy

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

America does shift the Anglo into a slightly different mind frame. Although he’s really Welsh.

jsigur
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Jewish golden age, don’t be like Trump and say Muslims were dancing in the street instead of Jews on 911. The Jewish golden age coincided with Muslim dominance and the western European dark ages. What’s good for Jews is bad for European goy

László Vitéz
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Mongols are mostly Shamanic or Buddhist, not Islamic.

alterorbis
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This is the Persian equivalent of the tragic mulatto, frantically trying to justify his own existence as half-white by casting Iranians as some kind of auxiliary ally of the white race. No one cares if you are half-Persian, please stop trying to shill for a nation of obviously non-white people. Whatever Iran allegedly was in the past, it is a clearly a brown country now.

Ted Jones
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No, this article is quite correct. These kind of comments are why I stopped posting on forums like fucking Stormfront. Armchair anthropologists who think white stops perfectly at the artificial border constructs.

Crud Bonemeal
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Iranians aren’t the same thing as Europeans regardless of their skin color, we can measure these differences

Simon Ström
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Iran was never ‘white’. It’s a load of crap. They were always Caucasoid South-West Asians.

Parthian
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Persians and their related ethnic groups were and some still are IE / “white”.

Shahin Rami Ghalandarabad
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Shahin Rami Ghalandarabad

We were brother and we will be again once our nation dies, you me will be in Pardis with our father Ahura Mazda, Aryans Noblemen, followers of Zoroaster reborn in Gods image once again.

Clay Davis
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None of them are IE or white, and there is nothing that suggests the contrary. Modern genetics show that they cluster light-years away from Europeans on PCA-plots. They have remained the same Neolithic farmers since the actual Aryans came around and migrated to the Iranian Plateau. Enough of the lies.

Parthian
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

Man, someone just give this larper his “100% Certified White” certificate to shut him up, please.

Parthian
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Not looking for certified white, I saw misinformation about old and modern Persians and I attempted to correct it.

Parthian
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Cavalli-Sforza revealed that Iranians cluster closely with European groups and more distantly from Near Eastern groups. Common genetic markers may stem from the ancient Proto-Iranians and parallel the spread of Iranian languages.

Simon Ström
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Iranians speak Indo-European languages and many have paternal ancestry derived from genetically North European peoples (the Aryans). ‘Some Persians’ are not white, no Persian is white, as all Persians belong to the Middle Eastern / South Asian genetic cluster. Regional and individual variation in skin color has nothing to do with it really.

Jimmy Smith
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Persians are white people and so are many Arabs and Turks also white people. The only legit people that are brown and even darker are Indian people. However genetically they have the most proto Aryan blood their invasion and rape happened way back in time.

Kourosh Khabbazan
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Europeans where never, the term only applies to Indo Iranian!

Katachthonios
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It isn’t anything new – remember Matt Hyatt the Satanist turned wannbe lame Islamic Terrorist (formerly known as Abdul-Aziz ibn Myatt and Abdul al-Qari)? About 5-10 years ago pro-Islamic white Nationalists were everywhere. Then the Neo-Liberals took over most of the conservative Right to make sure the Right was allied with Zionism.

Parthian
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Genetically I cluster close to Greek / Italian with a shift towards North-West Caucasia. Keep in mind the continental cores between “Europe” and what constitutes “Middle Eastern” populations are close and converge. Perhaps you believe only Nords to be IE, which would exclude large populations of Europe?

silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

Middle eastern racial issues are up to middle easterners to resolve (and not by conflating them with European racial issues). Our hands are full.

Simon Ström
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The pivot of racial Indo-Europeanness is in Northern Europe, in the tight cluster of modern Balto-Slavs and Celto-Germanics (yes, including Nordics), which is identical to the 4th millennium BC Middle PIE populations of the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures. We are the Aryans. Time to accept the facts.

Sangre
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Indo-Europeans were half Middle Eastern (from Caucasus/Iran) and half steppe nomad, who had ANE (Ancestral North Eurasian) component, which was related to East Asians and Native Americans. They had mostly brown hair and eyes and were darker skinned than modern Europeans.

Crud Bonemeal
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I don’t understand the need to conflate Iranian nationalism and European nationalism.

I’m actually moderately pro-Iranian… as long as they stay over there.

But attempting to argue that Iranians are European and somehow have a “right” to live in Europe is only going to create hostility between these groups, since Europeans have a strong interest in making sure at least some of these people go back.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
Crud: you’re out of the subject. Iranians don’t want to invade Europe, nor to be assimilate to Europeans. Don’t worry, we are fanatic lovers of our Holy Land Greater Iran and radically proud of our Identity. The article of Dr. Jorjani was a reaction to the buzz launched by a woman, an islamist propagandist, who claimed that Rumi was not White, and therefore she wanted Rumi to be played by an arab-muslim actor! This is purely a thief of cultural legacy! It’s like saying Archimedes was a Japanese! The reaction of Dr. Jorjani was to clearly say that Rumi does… Read more »
Parthian
Guest

Ah you must believe Southern / Eastern Europeans to be racially inferior? Well.. good luck with that.

Simon Ström
Guest

Lol, keep pretending you’re white, Mr Third World IQ.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti

LOL “Third World IQ” …
43% of NASA scientists are Iranians! The equivalent of Nobel for Math has been offered recently to an Iranian woman who studied in Iran, then moved in USA for her PhD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_Iranian_scientists,_scholars,_and_engineers
The second richest and educated minority of the USA (just after the Indians from India) are the Iranians, and the majority of these Iranian-Americians voted for Trump.

Parthian
Guest

lol @ IQ thing, I don’t pretend to be brown, people just keep thinking I’m European. Crazy huh? I’ve tried the whole gym tan laundry, nothing works man.

alterorbis
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No one is talking about artifical border constructs: I’m quite aware the boundaries of whiteness are fuzzy, particularly around the Caucasus. I just don’t think that Iranians are white, regardless of what they were 2000 years ago.

It’s not `armchair anthropology`, it’s called having eyes.

GrenadierGunther
Guest

I’m not against pro-white mutts. They need to however forget their other ancestry and only have one allegiance.

jsigur
Guest

pro white mutts. Love the high level of discourse here!

Katachthonios
Guest

That’s why I seldom visit these sites. Disqus forums are like the Mecca of trash-whores. Everytime I come here I lose two IQ points from commenting. Going to have to demand compensation from Arktos for having to endure all morons from Red Ice.

Katachthonios
Guest

Seriously, though why did Arktos decide to combine with all these idiots? To boost sales? Something tells me they’d prefer something more low-brow like “me white, me great, duh club women drag to RoK site”.

GermanPleb
Guest

I don’t agree with the racial/genetic issues.

But modern-day Iran is clearly our ally in the fight against the International Jew, ie, the Rothschild colony/ Israel, that are the key players in subverting the interests of Whites and Europeans the world over.

Iran is our ally in the geopolitical realm. As for the racial/genetic issues, agree.

Simon Ström
Guest

The truest meaning of Aryan ought to be ethnic/racial. Otherwise American blacks can be argued to be more Aryan than white language-shifters (Uralics). Iran and India have never been any more white than they are today.

Katachthonios
Guest

What people ought to do is call themselves ‘white’ or European and not Aryan to avoid the constant confusion. And preferably European, since skin bleach is widely used in many countries, just as ‘fake tans’ are in vogue in America. Besides which, without culture to accompany it, ‘white’ is a meaningless term. If a European adopts another culture they cease to be ‘European’ but remain ‘white’.

Simon Ström
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European = White = Aryan.

Stig Helmer
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Aryan = Proto-Indo-Europeans Ancestors, whose descendants migrated to Europe, Eurasian steppes and western Asia.|

European = people who reside on the European continent.
SOME Europeans = can trace their descendance from Aryans and speak Indo-Europeans.

White = a color. Also a colloquial term used to describe the Indo-European and Caucasian descendants.

Simon Ström
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@disqus_OfKgYiLss4:disqus The first Aryans (Proto-Indo-Europeans) lived in far-eastern Europe and contributed significantly to modern North Europeans, who were conceived in the midst of the Chalcolithic Kurgan invasion and then represented a middle stage of what was still Proto-Indo-European. We are the Aryans. The only people that could possible have a stronger claim (from whom we inherited the term, and from whom we descend to a large extent) went extinct because of us, in the Bronze Age, when Indo-European tribes expanded in all directions emanating from Northern Europe. Including the early Indo-Iranians, who were genetically and geographically in Eastern Europe. Do… Read more »
Kourosh Khabbazan
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Incorrect, Indo Iranian were the Aryans and commonly associated with the descendants of Proto Indo European.

Parthian
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I can link you to book if you wish.

Stig Helmer
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That’s not accurate. You need to visit a library.

Clay Davis
Guest

You need to check your brain, retard. He’s giving you cutting edge information that you can’t refute because you’re wrong on every front. You lost when you refused to face him and resorted to telling him to “v-visit a library”. Yeah, that sure showed him hahahahah!

Parthian
Guest

^ This response made me lol

Katachthonios
Guest

I’m fussy. I expect more from a political organisation than just everyone being the same shade and I opt for the original definition. Let us just agree that you hold your opinon and I hold mine, because neither of us will compromise.

Rascal
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Political organizations are not book clubs. I think that is your first mistake. I appreciate philosophical and intellectual arguments as much as the next guy, but that isn’t the only thing there is to politics. Ask Richard Spencer about that. In fact here is discussing that very matter.

Katachthonios
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But the politics is simplistic too. I know this might be difficult to accept, but cartoon frogs etc. are great for trolling and shit posting on FB, but it does not constitute actual policies, facts, or research.

Rascal
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I don’t know if you meant to reply to someone else or not, but I never said that was the case.

GrenadierGunther
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Lmao. Really?

Are we really doing this?

What does this have to do with modern white dispossession let alone white history? I’m guessing this Jorjani guy is paying Spencer money to spew his theories to people who would actually care.

Please don’t be like Afrocentrics and start stealing other peoples’ histories now.

Look up ancient Iranian genomes. There’s even an Iron Age one, not neolithic. All of them genetically cluster close to modern Iranians, and modern Iranians cluster with other Middle-Eastern people. They are not white, and were not white in the past.

WE WUZ PERSIANS

Ted Jones
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Are you stupid? Looking at the genetic distance between Europeans and Persians, it’s clear that they are perhaps our closest relatives outside of Europe. For god’s sake, there is even Iranian Nordics, an actual phenotypical classification.

Ethnic, unmixed Persians ARE white. Not the brown trash that inhabits most of the nation now.

silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

And? Therefore what?

Whatever it may have been once, Persia has for centuries lied well beyond the remit of anything calling itself WN.

Jorjani is a larping nullity and Spencer’s association with him has severely diminished my respect for him.

GrenadierGunther
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If unmixed Persians are white, they don’t exist anymore, and no evidence of them exists because all ancient Iranian genomes we have cluster with modern Iranians. lol, Arabs are literally genetically closer to Europeans than Persians(and both are extremely far away). You have no idea what you’re talking about. Some Persians may have LIGHT SKIN, yes, that does not make them white. Even some Yemenis have light skin. If we go by skip colour, East Asians are white too. “White” is solely genetic, and if we go by physical anthropology, we need to go by more than just skin colour,… Read more »
alterorbis
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Don’t be so ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of them are clearly non-white, regardless of the 0.1% who are `Nordic`.

Stig Helmer
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“Nordic” is not the same as white. Do you not realize that white people look different and that there is diversity within the white race? ||
The closer you look to a Swede is not the closer you are to an “unmixed” white person.

alterorbis
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I am fully aware. If you sincerely look at a group of Iranians or a video of Iranians in Tehran and you think that they are white then you are deliberately abandoning your senses.

silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ
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silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

If only I could upvote this succinct observation more than once.

jsigur
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It’s a Jew op to get you to fight Iran. It’s not as if Netanyahou hasn’t been pushing it for 300 years, the idea Iran was about to go nucleur as if they are crazy ppl and don’t have the right to protect themselves

Scouticus
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Great piece. Will mean nothing to the left, however. Of course, if they realized Rumi was phenotypical Aryan/Caucasian, their worship of him would immediately abate. Every Ancient Civ of the Near East was builtby and populated by the Caucasian Peoples,and genuine scholars realize this- including, even, a few wacky ones on the left (Hakim Bey/Peter Lamborn Wilson, translator of Abu Nuwas). Rumi is given cachet simply BECAUSE he is seen as “non-western”, therefore in opposition to or inherently superior to any horrid stodgy racist “whites” from the accursed European Continent. Contemporary Rumi “fans” have a view of the Near East… Read more »
Simon Ström
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The tendentious claim that Iran was white prior to the Muslim conquest is absurd, and contradicted by contemporary genomic science (Lazaridis et al 2016, among other corroborating sources). Iran has been a south-west Asian country, genetically speaking, since before the Neolithic. Arab, Mongol and Indo-European admixture is present at low levels in modern Iranians, and the male uniparental lineages are living testimony of the prestige and influence of invading cultures of the past, as in any population. But racially not much has changed. Certainly, one may not speak of a white genocide, rather an ancient conquest of modern Iran by… Read more »
Kourosh Khabbazan
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Iranians originated in Iran some 52 thousand years ago, as a sub group of the original West Asians/Europeans, who they, themselves migrated into Europe; up to 27 thousand years ago these two groups were still interbreeding in Europe, about this time an ice age stopped the interbreeding from occurring and by 11 thousand years ago, with the warming up of the planet these Iranians who settled in Iran, had become farmers. About 9 thousand years Neolithic Iranians began emigrating into again, interbreeding with the indigenous European population for a second time, creating the Proto Indo Iranian. The genetic study that… Read more »
Kourosh Khabbazan
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Proto indo Iranian originated in Iran some 11 thousand years ago, as of the genetic studie you provided and the national geographical study, some 43 to 48 percent of DNA present in Iranians is also present in south Europeans!

jsigur
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so shall we call them goy beasts since we now have determined they aren’t white?

Simon Ström
Guest

Call them anything but Aryan, European or White.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti

Simon, do you have any historical proof older than WWII than your people (if you’re a White European) are Aryan? We, Iranians and Northern Indians, have thousands years old written scriptures to prove we can call our peoples Aryans (Avesta, Rigveda, Achaemenid Royal Inscriptons, Herodotus, Shahnameh …). Your first name is by the way very Jewish. Are a Jew?

Simon Ström
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The word Aryan (PIE *heryos-) meant ‘noble’, ‘kinsman’, ‘freeman’, ‘man of rank’ or broadly ‘member of one’s group’ in archaic Proto-Indo-European, and has cognates in many Indo-European branches with the same or closely related meanings (Hittite, Old Irish, Indo-Iranian etc). Source: The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European (1991), for example. So the word was in use as an ingroup term signifying kinship and prestige before modern Europeans were actually conceived, not to mention the Proto-Indo-Iranians who in turn were derived from the North European Corded Ware dialect continuum. Modern North Europeans are primary inheritors of that ingroup label, showing genetic fidelity… Read more »
Katachthonios
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Yes, it’s a caste term – the plebs/chavs/rednecks/ferals can never be Aryan, no matter what race they are.

Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti
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Jamshid Ariayee Zartoshti

Once again, don’t worry, we don’t want to be called White, to be part of a European identitarian group, nor to invade Europe and to replace you (your enemies are not the Iranians). But sorry, the term Aryan is ours. And I wish you to find a beautiful muslim Chechen woman and have a lot babies with her! Cheers! 🙂

persiansoul
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LOLOLOL! ! ! Yes – I AM NOT WHITE AND PROUD OF IT! LOL!!!

Simon Ström
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We know that Iranians are not our enemies. And we actually agree that Iran makes a good candidate for strategical alliance, whether Muslim or Zoroastrian. But Mr Jorjani begs to differ with you on the White thing, which obviously annoys us greatly.

Stig Helmer
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And your lack of ethnographic understanding annoys everyone.

Simon Ström
Guest

Please embarrass yourself further and substantiate your attempted insult.

Stig Helmer
Guest

No – the burden of proof is on you actually, I’m not going to walk you through the history of Indo-European peoples, their migrations and what constitutes the race. You need to do that on your own. You’re the one who is embarrassing yourself.

Mark Citadel
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Its not just that which raises questions about this perculiar scholar. Its also his being at odds with the entire Reactionary school of not only the 17 and 1800s, but also the 1900s. Yet he banners his website with “putting the action back in reactionary”. Just one example: he believes in the ‘dark ages’. Virtually all prominent reactionaries and traditionalists refuted this Enlightenment concept as bogus. The stuff being put out is very suspect, and dressing it up in this ‘Indo-Aryan’ garb does not distract from that. Iranians, if they ever were ‘white’, are not anymore nor will they ever… Read more »
Stig Helmer
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You have as much basis to make that absurd statement as saying French were “white” and not anymore. The fact is that Iranians are descendants of the same people who populated Europe. The race doesn’t magically disappear at the Bosphorous. Further Iran had arguably less mixing than slave holding countries in Europe.

Clay Davis
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Jesus Christ, Stig, pull your head out of your ass. The Sintashta and Andronovo cultures, both of which are considered to be Proto-Indo-Iranian, are genetically Eastern European. Iranians, who have remained the same indigenous people that they were even before Elam, received a small amount of admixture from them. We know this because modern Iranians have a small North European component. Modern North Europeans are the Yamnaya’s primary and direct descendants. Iranians are secondary or tertiary recipients of Yamnaya admixture by way of Sintashta and Andronovo.

Kourosh Khabbazan
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The Aryans (indo iranians) are only associated with the Sintashta culture, not the corded ware!

Mark Citadel
Guest

“The fact is that Iranians are descendants of the same people who populated Europe”

A) If you read further down the comment section there are several people challenging this in long, well-researched comments that cite genetic data.

B) One could use this justification to say that anyone was white. At some point ‘white’ begins to exist.

I don’t know how Americans see the world, but if you ask any European, whether they are French or Romanian, they will not affirm the statement ‘Iranians are white’.

GrenadierGunther
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Everything you wrote here is spot on. Thank you for actually not being ignorant, and it’s a pleasant surprise to know someone else in the Alt-Right follows population genetics. Pseudo science and conspiracy theories should be kept out of the Alt-Right. The very Belarusian/Ukrainian like Sintashta and Andronovo cultures were indeed impressive(Sintashta people invented the war chariot, it’s also most likely Eastern Hunter Gatherers were also the ones who domesticated the horse), we know there was an invasion supported by archeology, but we really cannot know how much impact these people had on actual Iranian civilizations, especially when we’re talking… Read more »
Kourosh Khabbazan
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Iranians originated in Iran some 52 thousand years ago, as a sub group of the original West Asians/Europeans, who they, themselves migrated into Europe; up to 27 thousand years ago these two groups we’re still interbreeding in Europe, about this time an ice age stopped the interbreeding from occurring and by 11 thousand years ago, with the warming up of the planet these Iranians who settled in Iran, had become farmers. About 9 thousand years Neolithic Iranians began emigrating into again, interbreeding with the indigenous European population for a second time, creating the Proto Indo Iranian. The genetic study that… Read more »
Yehudah Finkelstein
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Genetic research does reveal that the conquering elites did not wipe out and replace the original settlers. Just look at India, which clearly had an Indo Aryan elite that brought their culture, language, and religion with them. But over time, the Aryan elite bred with the Native Dravidians on the subcontinent. The same is true in Europe. The Magyars simply converted the natives of the Hungarian Plain to their language and culture and interbred with them. The British Isles witnessed waves of successive invasions from Celts, Romans, Germans, and Normans which changed the culture, but the genetic admixture largely consists… Read more »
Jack Burton
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Indo-European is only meaningful linguistically. Generally speaking, for someone to use Indo-European racially is very tenuous.

Let’s be honest: The only reason we care about race is to preserve Northern and Central Europeans. Southern and Eastern Europe are only good as buffer zones and to be very selective with.

Simon Ström
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Yeah, the miscegenation between the early Indo-Iranians and the southern native populations might actually have started before they even reached India – in Central Asia.

You’re wrong about Britain though. Modern North Europeans only emerged in the Late Neolithic, or Chalcolithic, as the early Proto-Indo-Europeans invaded from the Pontic Steppe. Western Hunter-Gatherers account for less than 25% of our ancestry.

GrenadierGunther
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Western Hunter Gatherers account for 70%+ of our ancestry(well, depending on which ethnic group). PIEs, Early Neolithic Farmers, even Ancient North Eurasians were all mixes, not population outliers. The admixture runs that only show 25% are just what direct admixture we had from Loschbour or whatever. Anatolian farmers were approximately 60/40 Basal Eurasian or Natufian(mesolithic Levant)/WHG, Proto-Indo-Europeans were 50% ANE, 25% WHG, 25% neolithic farmer, and even ANE is simply 60/40 WHG/Mongoloid.

There was certainly a lot of mixing, a lot of population movements, but the original paleolithic European genes have survived to 60%+, if not 70%+ in Northern/Central Europe.

Simon Ström
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We’re actually splitting hairs now, but personally I think the homogeneity of Northern Europe, as well as its internal variation, is best explained as a ‘genetic’ relationship, that is, we all descend to a large degree from one and the same population that displaced most of Old Europe, speaking some stage of Middle Proto-Indo-European at the dawn of the metal ages. Perhaps we descend significantly from the late Tripolye, at which the oldest evidence of wheeled vehicles is found. I know David at Eurogenes has recently modeled Neolithic farmers from Lengyel, Hungary to be they best match for modern NF… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The genetic tests suggest that the British are pretty much the same people who were there when the ice sheet receded.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Yes, the Celtic, Roman, Norman, German invasions had little impact on the genetic admixture of the British Isles.

GrenadierGunther
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Wrong. Bronze age.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

The Cheddar Man (oldest complete skeleton remains in Britain) samples (and an older dental sample from 12,000) show a direct link to plenty of the villagers living nearby today.

Simon Ström
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Traces of the Cheddar Man and his cohort of Mesolithic foragers may be manifest in stuff like maternal lineages, but here’s how the current genetic structure of Europe came about: 1) A quite homogeneous group of hunter-gatherers (WHG) inhabited Europe during the Pleistocene; these guys displaced the remaining Neanderthals and killed off most of the prehistoric megafauna. In the north-east, there was a gradient of admixture with another foraging people called the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE). Modern Europeans and Native Americans share common ancestry from this ANE group. 2) The Neolithic Revolution began in the Holocene in the Levant and… Read more »
Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

That’s much more descriptive and useful.

GrenadierGunther
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A direct link doesn’t mean those modern villagers are 100% or even 70% Cheddar Man.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Shared common ancestor…but it’s still an impressive link.

GrenadierGunther
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“Anyway, I think it’s doubtful that Mesolithic foragers in Britain survive in modern Britons.” Oh, no doubt. I wasn’t disagreeing, I was just saying race goes back to the paleolithic and these groups were not simply some homogenous races with extremely unique features. Basically, if we want to use all population outliers, the “pure” races of the world are WHG, Basal Eurasian/Bedouin/Natufian, Mongoloid, Amerindian, Oceanian, and SSA. That isn’t to say specific features/genes couldn’t have had evolved in mixes in say the early bronze age, etc, but I personally think most racial differences emerged in the paleolithic. but yes, your… Read more »
Simon Ström
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I don’t have the figures right now, but the largest chunk of that would-be majority WHG ancestry, that might be inferred when modern Europeans are interpreted as a Natufian/WHG/ANE mix, is inherited by proxy of the European Neolithic farmers (Natufian+WHG) and the EHG (WHG+ANE).
I’m not trying to downplay the WHG ancestry but most of it we didn’t inherit from them directly.

Captain John Charity Spring MA
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Captain John Charity Spring MA

Interesting that you mention this.

Terry Jones did a marvelous documentary in his Barbarian series about the Parthians at the time of Crassus. He forwarded the thesis that the Parthians were a millennia ahead of the Romans in terms of horsemanship and had developed a prototype for the Chevalier in France, UK, Germany…

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x42uyeu

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Persia would be an ally if it was not Muslim.

Make Zoroastrianism Great Again. It could happen, the Indians returned to Hinduism after Buddhism declined. Persia would need some sort of radical state like Communism to wipe out Islam, however.

Academics always like to wipe out or downplay the inherent Whiteness of great cultures. What was a known fact in the early 20th century for example, that the Hittites were great because they were Indo Aryan, has become a thoughtcrime in today’s academic history.

R. Arandas
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Yes, it is a great pity as well, given that the Persians and Jews shared such a rich and extensive history (until the brutal Arab conquest of both their lands), and now both their governments are such bitter enemies today. What a terrible tragedy of history indeed…

Domitian
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Very interesting article. Persia as an Aryan empire.

Zazz
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Jason get this to Rich. Sombody had it posted on The Right Stiff. Let me know if you want me to take it down. I guess that’s why the scat after he made his mark.comment image

Katachthonios
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LMAO – good job no one punched him back – this one would just enjoy it! Never punch the masochists, they only enjoy getting a good beating.

James Alexander
Guest

A fascinating read, thank you. I fear that Central Asia may be racially and culturally too far gone for any “Aryan” renaissance to take place. All that we, Europeans and non-Semitic Iranians alike, can do at this point is endeavour to combat anti-White/Third-Worldist narratives that seek to erase or rewrite our history (the positive elements and inconvenient truths, that is).

Gonçalo
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Thanks Jason 🙂 Awesome article.
It’s also true that other parts of the Middle east and north Africa were ethnically European. But still today we can find many white people of north African and Middle Eastern origin like you. 🙂
BTW I also have an interest in mysticism, and you are one of my favorite leaders of the Altright, thanks for your efforts and work. 🙂

Druze
https://www.google.pt/search?q=druze&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij6PPeldTRAhWF1hQKHSurBzUQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=662

Ancient Egypt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits

Kabyle berber north africans
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Gubbler Chechenova
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Even though Political Correctness enforces rigid dogma on Racial matters — “race is just a social construct”, “there are no significant racial differences”, etc — , in truth many individuals in the academia & think-tanks are well-aware that there is a genetic basis to race and racial differences. And these people freely discuss this matter among themselves. So, their main concern is not the discussion of race and racial differences but the ‘danger’ of this knowledge leaking out to the masses. To these elitists, many of whom are Jewish or white collaborators(cucks or shabbos goyim), the rise of mass consciousness… Read more »
Crud Bonemeal
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gubbler spams copypasta, mods should ban him

Scouticus
Guest

Jesus Christ, gubbler. More “black dick is so big and muscular” crap… since we got you and your socks banned over at rightstuff.biz you’ve found your way here to shit up the comments with your groid worship.

Gubbler Chechenova
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I’m not banned at right stuff.

Scouticus
Guest

Maybe we just flipped you enough shit you quit posting. Hadn’t seen you in a while. I admit, I find your posts entertaining. I don’t advocate for banhammering anyone, but folks there were so doing and I assumed, since I hadn’t seen anything from any of your three or four personae in the past ten days or so, that you’d found a high-t, aggressive, big, tough, fast buck to service or been banhammered.

Strac5
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Persia wasn’t that great. Alexander the Great had a fetish for their court lifestyle, but he couldn’t make the adoption of Persian ways stick on the Greeks after his death, because the Greeks recognized Persian culture as inferior to their own.

Simon_in_London
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5th & 4th century BC Greek culture was the greatest in human history. It’s hardly a fair comparison. Persia generally compares well to its neighbours.

Zazz
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Who Leads The Alt-Right? Published on Jan 16, 2017

GermanPleb
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If it wasn’t for Heimbach, I don’t think I would be disillusioned with the Alt-Right as of now. He is undoubtedly a key voice in the Alt-Right, especially as he names the International Jew as the NUMBE ONE ENEMY of White and European peoples all around the world. As Julius Streicher reminds us: “The Jews are our misfortune!”. As Whites and Europeans, we need to find a way to did-entangle ourselves from the negative influence of the Jews. Those in the Alt-Right who are willingly naming the Jew and engaging an pushing White awareness of the JQ, are central and… Read more »
MisatoKatsuragi
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If you don’t think foreign and state agents aren’t trying to or haven’t already subverted the Alt Right , you are naive.
https://youtu.be/Q4WIPL9czl4

GermanPleb
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“If you don’t think foreign and state agents aren’t trying to or haven’t already subverted the Alt Right , you are naive.” I don’t think any right-thinking White person is unaware of oblivious to this. Honestly, it is people like Matthew Heimbach, who openly and fearlessly names the International Jew as the enemy of Whites. As we know Iran is also Israel’s #1 enemy and whom the Zionist state wants the White Western people to bleed and die for, and have brainwashed the US, UK and many other nations who see Iran as the “world’s greatest threat to world peace”.… Read more »
jsigur
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yea, TRS is Jewish, haha. I think Matt came from Breitbart. You supporting him?

GermanPleb
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Matt is naming the Communist International Jew as the existential threat to White Civilization and worldwide peace, and that is good because it’s the Truth. And it is clear he isn’t religiously Jewish (if you are hinting at that) but an Orthodox Christian. Jews hate those who convert to Christ possibly more than anybody else. They refuse Aliyah to Jews who have converted to Christ, so much is the resentment of Christianity by Jews. Brother Nathanael is another ethnic Jew whom the Jews resent. Matt is an important and rational voice in the Alt-Right, as he names the Communist International… Read more »
jsigur
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Did you say Matt is ethnically Jewish? I would remind the leaders of the Protestant reformation were ethnically Jewish and was necessary to set the stage for liberalism and Jewish revolutions (almost all revolutions are Jewish psyops to gain freedom and power for themselves and less freedom and less power for the hosts. SO, it definitely is a concern if a Jew masquerades as white and the assumption should always be not good. I personally haven’t listened to Matt very much but noticed he was supported by the NWO in the beginning- pic as a twenty year old with Breitbart.… Read more »
Mark Citadel
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Orthodox Christianity in particular has retained its initiatic character, hence why Russia has been relatively impervious to liberalism.

GermanPleb
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“Orthodox Christianity in particular has retained its initiatic character, hence why Russia has been relatively impervious to liberalism.” It is also a huge reason why the Western neo-con Jews are after Russia and to subordinate it to the globalist-Jewish liberal agenda. Russia has a relatively awakened ethnocentric population whose religion of Orthodox Christianity is uniquely Russian. This is the same with most of the European Orthodox people. It goes back to Byzantine Church-state relations. Critics claim this phyletism limits the ‘universality’ of Christianity to other ethnic groups. But I’ve been looking at the largest of the Orthodox Churches – the… Read more »
Bendys
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“as ethnic Russians seek to throw out the corrupting influence of the Jewish-Bolsheviks ideas (of the related Marxist-Frankfurt school)”

Do they ? If you read their comments on Russia Insider it makes you wonder.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/russiainsider/harvard_review_putin_got_evil_from_reading_dostoevsky/#comment-3112651309

And they will celebrate the “revolution”.
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